I’m kinda regretting not naming it oneninesix, but here we are. I guess I love letters.
To anyone wondering what’s up, I did this on my phone while out in the “big city”, so I’m still waiting to get home to do anything serious. I have a few suckers really nice people who volunteered for modding along with me. Anyone else who is interested, drop me a line. I’ll be picking mods when I get home in a few hours. Sorry for the wait and I’ll do my best to put out any fires in the meantime. I didn’t think this would take off!
For those wondering, here’s my take on moderating the place.
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Moderation is to facilitate an experience for its users in line with the goals of the community and the instance. It’s not to push a personal agenda, give you a bigger hammer in debates, set up a digital fiefdom, etc. You certainly can and should include your mod experience on your dating profile, though. Unilateral decisions are not cool except in a few situations, like if 100% of your userbase is usurped by literal Nazis.
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196 exists to be a place where you post something (often but not always something goofy) when you visit. I know not everyone does and that’s fine - I still love you. These things can’t be offensive or hurtful, though, especially not intentionally so. Unintentional vs intentional I believe is a HUGE distinction and needs to be considered when moderating.
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LBJLBZ exists as an inclusive, (relatively) judgment-free zone for gender-diverse folks. I intend for us to uphold that here. I say relatively judgment free because there will be people looking to start shit and mods and admins are going to have to judge their actions, but only their actions.
If you wanna be my modder, you gotta get with my bullet points…or argue persuasively why I should amend them (but that part doesn’t fit the tune).The three big things I’m looking for otherwise are diverse viewpoints, if you can remain reasonably impartial, and if you can say you’re sorry. The last is huge for me. As a mod, you’re going to mess up. I used to mod on Reddit and I certainly did! I find it’s important for maintaining the community’s respect to be able to admit when you made a bad call and what you’ll do to avoid it in the future.
@ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone, pointers would be welcome as I think you do a great job.
Community feedback is encouraged and welcome, just be aware I’ll be a little slow to respond for a bit.
PS: wow, I really DO love letters!
Edit: Corrected point three, damn autocorrect! Believe it or not, we’re not an inclusive community in LBJ’s corpse.
trans lover of memes and progressive politics here!
I would love to help out
Lemmy UI shows this as 196@lbz in the feed which is amazing UX xd
Hello! It’s me, Roflmasterbigpimp! The lovable rascal from communities like !bubatzgartenclub@lemmy.world and, since yesterday, !196@lemmy.world.
And to some degree even !196@lemmy.blahaj.zone for a whopping two days, until feddit.de (and therefore my account) died.
Even though I have barely done any moderation at all over at !196@lemmy.blahaj.zone, I still want to help out and perhaps sort things out further. I tried to do my best on the .world 196. I encourage you to check my comment history about this topic and form your own opinion about me.
I can 100% understand if you decline my offer, but I really like this community and want to make this work.
Furthermore, I would advise adding a rule along the lines of “All decisions affecting the community and its members as a whole must be backed by a public vote.” This is something that could have prevented this whole disaster in the first place.
This is part of the deal you make when joining a community with active mods, admins, and rules. Not everything is up for debate. I know firsthand that this can be quite frustrating sometimes, but we can’t act like everything else has always been subject to election up to this point. It simply was not.
https://lemmy.world/comment/14556651
Not sure that really shows you under the best light
Furthermore, I would advise adding a rule along the lines of “All decisions affecting the community and its members as a whole must be backed by a public vote.” This is something that could have prevented this whole disaster in the first place.
Which is why encourage the Team to make especially this Change. Like I said in the other Comment.
So while I say the admin of “the page” can do with their page as they like (assuming there are no other rules in place forbidding them from doing so, either at the community or instance level), I believe that it’s everyone’s own choice to come, go, leave, or stay.
Because by setting rules not only for user but for admins/mods as well we could have easily prevented this.
If you leave people without rules and just hope they act as you and others would like them to, you can be harshly disappointed. Rules are not only there to enforce behavior but also to provide guidelines.
When you create a community, you are the mod of the community you created, and you can choose to move or stay.
https://lemmy.world/comment/14556677
So you’re still supporting mods locking down communities without asking members approval?
Start a community and run it the way you like! Expand the Fediverse! Make a place truly your own!
Perfect, and then the mods will lock it down and move to an instance I dislike.
You mean the answer to your comment where you said you gonna do the same with a Community you made or just not understood how moderation works?
When you create a community, you are the mod of the community you created, and you can choose to move or stay. So I don’t know which mods you are talking about.
I think it was their right to do so. They had no guideline or anything else which prevented them from doing so. And if you look a bit down below you see again:
You can also set your community rules to something like “Big decisions affecting the whole community must be backed by a public vote.” This is what I mean by making the place entirely your own.
I think it was their right to do so.
Then let’s agree to disagree!
I vow to make this comm 1000% more trans and leftist if appointed mod 🤓
I am in cahoots with the international trans mafia. I will not show anyone any quarter. (I already mod shit on here)
Yay thank you so much for taking this on!
Glad to be here :3
Congrats!
Congratz on mod!
I think we should use the same picture we used in R*ddit as community icon.
One rule I think might be a good idea is that mods aren’t allowed to moderate their own posts/comment chains. Not that it’s really been an issue on 196 in the past afaik, but there are some communities where the mods will get into an argument with another user and then remove comments for incivility or a similar rule which obviously has massive potential for abuse. Assuming there are enough mods where it’s not an issue to do so (which seems very likely based on the number of people interested in moderating) preventing situations like that entirely seems beneficial.
I cannot agree more. Good call, I appreciate the input.
Hell yeah, let’s make it happen, folks!
The canonical name being written out in words makes sense if you or Ada didn’t want to take over the existing community (which IMO would have been preferable). But I would strongly prefer that the display names of both communities make it clear which it is. So !196 would become “196 (archive)” and !onehundredandninetysix should just display “one hundred and ninety six”, or at least “196 (new)”. This is just so it’s very clear at a glance, regardless of where in the UI you’re seeing it, which community you’re looking at, and helps differentiate it visually from the LW one.
Do you not see the instance name after it? For me, it shows up as “196@lemmy.blahaj.zone”, which makes it distinct from “196@lemmy.world”. It doesn’t need to be distinct from the old one, because they locked that one to new posts.
I agree that it would have been much better if we could have just taken over the old 196@lbz but here we are.
!onehundredninetysix@lemmy.blahaj.zone and !196@lemmy.blahaj.zone show up as similar in a few menus as they rely on display names and not ID
That’s the main problem, definitely. A secondary problem is that in some places it might show the instance name, but it’s not quite as prominent as the community name. So it takes a second longer to figure out which one you want. If that second can be entirely removed by one easy change, even if it is only one second, that’s a good thing to me.
@ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone could you maybe do something here?
Nah I think this is a mod thing, not an admin thing. That’s why I was suggesting the display name be “196 (new)” or “one hundred and ninety six”. I’d now add “one nine six” to the list, that could be good. Though the one with 196 would be the most searchable, since then you can search either by text or by number.
I was thinking about editing the old one as “196 locked”
Oh right. Yeah admin help on that one would be good.
That depends HIGHLY on which app/client you are using and in what context you are viewing it.
Sometimes display name is all that shows.
Fair enough; I only use Lemmy on a computer, so I’m not familiar with the idiosyncrasies of the various apps.
I’ll mod a few things. If interested send me a message
Literally didn’t know there was a blahaj 196, and now you guys are my entire feed lol. Love this fediverse lore
Also if you read this I wish you a wonderfully fulfilling day
!196@lemmy.blahaj.zone used to be the only (or at the very least largest) community of the type. Recently, its mods unilaterally decided to move the community to !196@lemmy.world and lock 196@LBZ (essentially squatting on the name). !onehundredninetysix@lemmy.blahaj.zone is a replacement under new management.
It was the main one.
Hello, i wouldn’t mind modding 196 along with you all. However i am not trans, so i may not be the best choice.
In any way, thanks for creating this and good luck with it 🤠
Hello, drag will volunteer. Drag can confidently say drag is a very diverse voice, and isn’t worried about policing other people for any personal agenda. Drag didn’t like c/196 because the mods there thought they should ban people for advocating violence against Nazis. Drag would like to help build a community where those left wing viewpoints are more accepted. And don’t worry, drag has no desire to silence conflicting viewpoints. Just to create a space where everyone can shitpost safely. Drag can say sorry, too.
Drag is going to post a meme to the community now.
Feels like it should have been 197 😅
