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    Headline is kind of funny, but I wanted to know what he shot at

    In body cam footage shared across social media, the officer was seen jumping to the ground and shouted “shots fired” after the acorn strikes the roof of his car. He then turned and emptied every bullet from his gun, each aimed squarely at his squad car.

    Funny again…

    While Hernandez fired on the car, Marquis Jackson, who was accused of stealing his girlfriend’s car, was in the back of the police cruiser. Officers had searched, handcuffed and loaded the accused into the back of the police car and, despite being cuffed, it was Jackson that the officer thought was shooting at him.

    Nope, he was trying to kill someone handcuffed in the back of his squad car and had already been searched for weapons.

    Cop should at least be facing reckless endangerment, if not attempted murder.

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        Same as when they think they’re doing on fentanyl…

        After hearing the sound of the acorn, the deputy reported that he also felt a “tingliness” all along the side of his body. He then said his “legs just give out” and he fell to the ground, assuming that he had been seriously injured by something.

        Because of this, the video also showed Hernandez complaining about feeling “weird” and shouting to his colleague that he’s been hit. It’s all very dramatic.

        Cops are constantly terrified because of their training, so they panic and mistake a panic attack for something else.

        Being a cop sucks so much (because of their own leadership and culture) that good qualified people do t want to be a cop. So we end up with these fragile snowflakes that shouldn’t be allowed to carry at all. Let alone be a cop

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          These idiots are so convinced that merely touching fentanyl will make them collapse that it actually happens to them.

          If fentanyl was that strong, people would buy one bag and it would last for like a year.

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              What? I always ran out of LSD and all you have to do is touch it because it’s skin permeable.

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                True, but fentanyl is generally not. They do make fentanyl patches, but casual exposure, like a cop touching a tiny bit of fentanyl, will not result in fentanyl being absorbed.

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                  I know this, but I was responding to the idea that a drug you could touch and get high from would somehow last forever.

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                That’s just because you don’t know how to make it, and they are selling it to you a few drops at a time. I believe the ingredients are actually pretty cheap. Chemistry students make it.

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                  Sell a man some LSD and he trips for a day. Teach a man to make LSD and he trips for a lifetime!

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                  Yeah, right. I don’t believe you. HOW would they do that? What steps could they possibly take!? What ingredients would they need and where would they even get them!?

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              Not quite. Drugs that can be absorbed through the skin, well, they get absorbed.

              It’s not an infinite drugs glitch, just like powdered Fentanyl can’t be absorbed through the skin.

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            Yeah… I am sure there are some idiots who believe in the horrors of fentanyl.

            The reality is it is a catch all to excuse all the other drugs in their systems. If someone notices a cop is clearly amped up on amphetamines then the reality is that someone in the tri-state area had a single particle of fentanyl on them and THAT is why the cop who just killed four people is alternating between growling and crying while looking even sweatier than alex jones.

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                Fentanyl does whatever you want it to baby. Just so long as that involves beating your wife and kids when there isn’t a black kid nearby.

                Fentanyl itself is an opiod so it is a downer. But fentanyl, as reported by the media and embraced by cops, is a magic wonderdrug where a single particle in a hundred mile radius will instantly infect every cop through enough PPE that they could survive a zombie infestation and make them do whatever crazy shit they got caught doing.

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          good people get fired as cops because they hesitate to shoot unarmed people and won’t lie for officers doing questionable things.

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          My goodness what a fucking snowflake. Maybe you shouldn’t be in the profession if you’re “scared shitless” 99% of the time. But we all know that’s a cover for them. They love killing people.

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          …fragile snowflakes that shouldn’t be allowed to carry at all.

          Yeah but deputy tacticool has holo sights. Not wasted on him at all.

          Poor Durango.

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        “It hit my vest” and “I feel weird”. Them be signs that his fat ass has coronary artery disease. Fucking Okaloosa County. Good riddance. Don’t miss it.

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        You don’t mag dump like that if you don’t care. He very much was trying to kill him.

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              I am not saying he definitely wasn’t trying to kill Mr. Jackson intentionally. I’m saying that the other possibility is that he’s a stupid coward that empties his clip at his own car because he’s terrified and doesn’t think about and/or care that there’s a person in his car.

              Was he intending to kill Mr. Jackson? Maybe. That’s definitely not an unlikely possibility. But I think stupid cowardice where the motive wasn’t murder is also not unlikely because cops are stupid cowards.

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                I got ya. I’m agreeing that he’s a coward and an idiot, but disagreeing that he might not have been trying to murder a guy. He might not have believed it was murder, because of the idiot part…but the video convinced me he was intentionally trying to kill the unarmed man in the back of his car.

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              … who’s handcuffed in your backseat.

              The utter stupidity of cops astounds me daily. One would think I’d be used to it now, and yet …

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            At an active threat, sure. When the dude’s been searched, handcuffed, and trapped in the back of a car…there’s some personal responsibility, imo.

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      I deal with PTSD vets every day so I understand the snap buuuuut… No one else gets to get away with a slap on the wrist because of their mental illness so fuckem

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        Yeah. The “having PTSD” part isn’t what should be punished, it’s the “and yet still carrying a gun while putting yourself in a position to have your PTSD triggered like this” part that’s egregious.

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          Well, Philip Brailsford, the murderer who murdered Daniel Shaver, claimed PTSD for murdering Daniel so he could draw on his pension and retire early. Because he murdered someone and it hurt his fee-fees.

          Fuck that.

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        I mean. Being in combat and being a cop are two different things.

        Maybe this guy was in a shootout and has PTSD, maybe this is the only time he’s ever fired on duty and he’s just a coward who panicked.

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          During the course of the investigation into the shooting, deputy Herandez resigned from the force.

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        See I’m like, I don’t even think you could qualify most of the things you would do to this guy as being punishment. Preventing this guy from being a cop forever (pretty unlikely, but could happen), isn’t really a punishment. If he’s discharging his firearm into his own car, he’s obviously just unfit to be an officer and that’s a pretty clear safety concern. If you sent him to prison, that might be more of a “punishment”, but that’s also, you know, what cops do basically their whole careers, is send people to prison, and we still have all the same problems with the prison system as we’ve always had, so, you know, I’m like. I dunno. That doesn’t seem like a clear “win”, to me, both in terms of improving society and in terms of helping him out if he’s mentally ill which, you know, seems to clearly be the case, here.

        You could also maybe think, hey, this guy goes to an asylum or something for mental illness, but that kind of has the same problems as sending someone to prison, it’s not usually a helpful system.

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      Keep in mind, this is Florida. It is perfectly legal to murder anybody if you can prove that you felt threatened.

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    If a random loud bang from an acorn falling nearby is enough to get someone to behave like this, they really should not be walking around with a gun. This is completely insane and unhinged behavior.

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      theres no reason for most officers to be lethally armed their entire shift.

      they are trained the exact opposite; be afraid of everything and empty the clip. ask questions later.

      this cop behaved as he was trained

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      Fun fact: ‘police officer’ isn’t even in the top 10 most dangerous professions in the US. It’s solidly beat by things like garbage collector, delivery driver, maintenance worker, and pilot. None of those professions typically carry weapons on the job.

      Lots of police officers were former bullies with an inferiority complex. Some are wusses who only feel powerful because they’re carrying a deadly weapon.

      Another fun fact: police in several other western countries don’t carry deadly weapons and yet are able to do their jobs just fine.

      American police are trained to think everything and everyone is against them, through programs like David Grossman’s Killology course. Weird how a program designed to teach recruits to kill without empathy would result in people killing without empathy.

      Elsewhere, police are learning de-escalation tactics, but police in the US are learning escalation.

      It’s absurd, and leads to scared, trigger-happy morons shooting at acorns.

      e: missed a word

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    And yet the most surprising thing about the story is that the bodycam footage was released, smh

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      Likely to protect the cop/department too, since he shot at his own car that already had a disarmed, detained suspect inside. He very nearly killed someone that was already a non-threat. If the body cam footage got out it might make people think their cops are negligent or improperly trained! /ghasp

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        It’s like a business. If the liability rests with their officer and they are afraid of a lawsuit causing significant political blowback they are going to take action against the officer to minimize their liability. Hearing about an officer doing something like this and then leaving the force means there is nothing left for them to take action for.

        If he didn’t resign, perhaps it would be slightly harder for the chief a town over to hire the guy, but since he resigned he may have minimal marks on his record.

        I’d bet a thousand bucks this guy gets another job as a cop within 1yr though.

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          I’d bet a thousand bucks this guy gets another job as a cop within 1yr though.

          I’d bet a thousand bucks I know which video they’re going to be watching in the morning briefing on his first day.

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      Of all the stupid that exists in Florida, they actually have pretty powerful open records laws.

      It’s actually one of the reasons Florida has the “Florida Man” reputation. We know more about what’s happening there.

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        He resigned when he knew he was going to be fired. Probably easier to look for a job in another department before the dust settles.

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    Obtaining a barber license means that you have completed a minimum of 1,250 hours of instruction in barbering education within a period of at least 9 months or completed 1,250 hours of training. It takes 1,250 to 2,000 hours to be a cosmologist. Police in Germany get 2.5 years of training, and in Finland, police education takes three years to complete. Police in the USA get 750 hours.

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          When I first heard about it, I could not believe it. Fair enough there is shortages of police so they want recruitment process to hasten. But this is at the expense of public safety as there are too many trigger-happy police. Which is counter to “protect and serve” motto!

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      cosmologist

      uh… this is why we didn’t approve of the word “cosmetology”. It takes more than 2000h to be a publishing cosmologist/astronomer.

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      And the leading cause of injury/fatality for police officers by far: vehicle accidents. Not being shot at.

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        That’s why they form a gang, because the only way they can feel strong is if they outnumber you.

        That’s why it takes fifteen fucking cops to “deal with” a single homeless person in a public park who isn’t bothering anybody.

        If they do that during the day, with enough people around, people will whip out their phones to record the cops and the cops will give up and leave and stop harassing.

        If they do it during the evening, and there’s not very many people around, and only one person whips out their phone… The cops will arrest the person who whipped out their phone, too, because they outnumber them.

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      Yep, and this is just tracking mortality. You would think, oh hey maybe they look better if you included things like workplace violence…nope. Pretty much 80% of work place violence happens to healthcare workers and social workers.

      So pretty much every healthcare worker has experienced more violence in their work than police officers. I’ve had patients take swings at me in my hospital, it’s a fairly natural response to being in pain, on drugs, or disoriented. But just because your occupation has the potential to introduce you to a violent environment, that doesn’t justify your own participation in it.

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        I’m a very nonviolent and nonconfrontational person, but I once had a boil in a sensitive spot lanced without adequate pain control, and it took all my self control to not FIGHT it. Stone cold sober, knowing it needed to be done, my body physically wanted to fight the doctor to make it stop. It’s nuts to expect someone who’s not completely there for whatever reason to be completely in control of that instinct, but it’s what cops expect people to do.

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        Cops will taser or shoot you before you can take a swing at them. Healthcare workers and delivery drivers don’t get tasers and guns.

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      Looking forward to my next traffic stop so I can mention that crossing guards have a more dangerous job than cops 🫡

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      1. Small engine mechanics
        Fatal injury rate: 15 per 100,000 workers
        Total deaths (2018): 8
        Salary: $37,840
        Most common fatal accidents: Transportation incidents, violence and other injuries by persons or animals

      What the absolute fuck?

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        Yes. A lot of them also involve being killed by the machines they use too. Safety measures can only go so far.

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    Everyone, stop what you are doing and check your local police department for this guy.

    During the course of the investigation into the shooting, deputy Herandez resigned from the force.

    He is out there somewhere, getting scared and shooting at his own car.

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        The article said where he was firing, into his cars engine block. It does not mention where his partner, who was in the car, was aiming at.

        I presume, the handcuffed person in the car was traumatized, but physically fine.

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          The cop was firing at the back of the car. His partner was interviewing the girlfriend of the suspect when she heard the shout of shots fired. She asked from where and the cop said from the car, she opened fire at the front of the car.

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      It’s easy to shit on cops but I hope the guy is okay. It kinda sounded like he resigned after self-realizing how this is not an okay situation. He’s probably been in a handful of fucked up situations to be triggered like that tbh.

      Either that or he’s actually retarded.

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          You don’t empty a whole clip like a schizo after hearing one shot lol. I think the protocol would have been to call back up or “I heard shots fired on main Street”

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            You’re right, it’s a bat shit insane response, but cops in the U.S. are trained to be afraid and react without thinking on a hair trigger. His reaction is unfortunately way too normalized.

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        I do hope he gets the treatment he needs. It is not normal behavior.

        I also don’t want him with a gun near a school, mall, or any other place with lots of bystanders. Not until he has a good record of not overreacting.

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    I’m sorry, this is fucked up and I shouldn’t be laughing, but you really can’t make this shit up

    What’s more, in his body cam footage you can clearly see the acorn fall into frame and strike the roof of his car. When asked if this was the sound he heard, Hernandez had this to tell investigators:

    “I’m not gonna say no, because I mean that’s, but what I, [10 second pause in speaking] what I heard [3 second pause in speaking] sounded almost like [12 second pause in speaking] what I heard sounded what I think would be louder than an acorn hitting the roof of the car, but there’s obviously an acorn hitting the roof of the car.”

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      Top comment really nails it:

      This is unironically the most embarrassing video I have seen in my entire life. I am not exaggerating at all. I would kill myself if there were footage of me acting like this. Dude gets scared by an acorn, does a Max-Payne-backwards-dive, unloads 20 roads into his own car (luckily not murdering the unarmed guy in the back of it), does some horrid Arnold-Schwarzenegger impression while crawling over the floor bawling his eyes out, and then forces an armed stand-off with literally no one. Actually absolutely insane, the most unhinged behaviour I have ever had the pleasure to witness.

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        He quit afterward. Probably because he was teased mercilessly by other police officers. If only we could harness peer pressure to reduce police shootings.

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        “SHOTS FIRED!”

        (combat roll)

        “SHOTS FIRED! SHOTS FIRED! SHOTS FIRED!” (still rolling around)

        (gets up, unleashes hail of bullets at the car with his partner pretty much directly downrange)

        (slight pause, beat of silence)

        (falls backwards into the road)

        “Eaaahhh!”

        (fires several more times, now lying on his side in the road)

        "I’m hit! I’m hit!

        (fires until his gun is empty)

        (his partner asks something)

        “What?”

        “Ablbla! Abinica!” (crawling across the road now) “In the car! Ow!”

        (catches his breath, taking cover behind a different car)

        (after a while, his partner comes nearby, frantically asking if he’s okay)

        “I’m good! I feel weird! But I’m good!”

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      Wow. Listen to those screams of traumatized neighbors as he continues to claim he was hit ~1:35/1:40 in. Can’t tell if it’s the other cop yelling at screaming people to stay back, or a mother yelling at her screaming child to stay back or what.

      And that guy in the car - they’re just going to shrug and say “my bad” about the fact that if the cop was even the slightest bit competent with that firearm he’d be dead?

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    Headlines like this are often a stretch, if not outright BS. Read the story. The headline does not begin to do justice as to how fucked up this was.

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        Lul, that was a good suggestion. He ‘felt weird’, hid out of the acorn way (with some epic fat-rolling), still decided his car needed suppressive fire and get shot (maybe) multiple times (I guess fancy red-dot sights don’t improve skills like they show us in vidya games?). Just perfect.

        But the cherry on top will be his inevitable medal, promotion, lifetime rent for emotional damage suffered, and a whole bunch of murders he will commit (after all, anyone could be hiding acorns, or perhaps would have at some point in the future, can’t take that chance).

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          Red dots are a performance enhancer for someone who is trained, not a substitute for training in and of themselves.

          Anecdotally, people who are not trained to the point of second nature tend to forget about their sights, especially on pistols, during a shootout.

          While the cop’s failure of aiming ended up being an overall positive against the rest of his incompetence, it still highlights incompetence strictly within the realm of shooting.

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            For real or for like two weeks or like went to cop elsewhere?

            (Legit question, I don’t know things, but see posts about this sort of stuff)

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          I guess fancy red-dot sights don’t improve skills like they show us in vidya games?

          Training solely with red dots is a detriment to your skills, at least. A red dot can make even the most inexperienced bozos look like a sharpshooter at the range, but under stress the lack of “low-level” practice/skills would severely limit your gunmanship. That’s not to say to not practice with red dots, you should put a lot of time into the tools you’re likely to use and in a similar way to how you’re likely to use them, but it’s also important to practice a lot with iron sights and whatnot if you want to develop and maintain… actually good aim. A lot of people tend to not do that, though, because fancy sights make shooting practice targets easy and can make you feel like you’re way better than you actually are.

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    This story pairs nicely with the other one that’s currently trending.

    Florida Legislator Files Bill That Would Keep Killer Cops From Being Named And Shamed

    This dipshit is what they want to protect so he can just go work in another district and kill someone else.

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    Police aren’t brave, they 're the biggest cowards in societies, and we let them kill without consequence… This should frighten you

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      One of the biggest reasons I’m glad I did an enlistment in the Army is having got a couple years experience in Iraq to genuinely understand what a fucking joke American cops are.

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      9 months ago

      I mean it’s a website that hosts videos as part of the services it offers. And the video loads fine on mobile and desktop. I would check your network or browser settings. Unless it’s hosted by the actual article writer, hosting it somewhere is basically another social media.