alt text: a manipulated image portraying the alleged killer/controversial folk hero re-envisioned as a saintly figure, wearing Christian religious garb with a sun-like halo shining behind his head
Source: someone said this image hit the front page on reddit before being “censored”.
Apparent credit: @gedogfx (IG). Title source: “Inkl”. 💩posting for meme archival and commentary purposes.
Merry Christmas Luigi!!!
🎄 🎁 🙏🏻
on a personal level this is hella cringe but from a social perspective i love this so much
Do you want to get excommunicated and ghosted? Exalting a living non-Catholic socialist who committed murder is how to do it.
not diddling kids?
That too.
How typical of Man to consider murder something a Saint would do, and murder as justice.
Edit: Saints are known and martyred for their selflessness and self‐sacrifice. The church is as man made as the Saints, hence all the bad history both share to whatever degree. (I’m not religious, but I do believe in a creator of some kind).
Peacemaking is peacemaking; love is love; we shouldn’t dismiss all the good someone does just because what their shirt connotates. 2+2 is still 4 whether its Hitler or Jesus saying it. Returning good for evil done is more logical whether it’s Hitler or Jesus going about it.
You might wanna study the bible a little bit more
Socrates, The Story of Jonah, and Jesus.
A lot of this I learned and thought out through reading Tolstoy’s hard work in his non-fictions: Confession, What I Believe, The Gospel In Brief, and The Kingdom of God is Within You
“Socrates believed that his mission from a God (the one that supposedly spoke through the oracle at Delphi) was to examine his fellow citizens and persuade (teach) them that the most important good for a human being was the health of the soul. Wealth, he insisted, does not bring about human excellence or virtue, but virtue makes wealth and everything else good for human beings (Apology 30b).” https://iep.utm.edu/socrates/#:~:text=He believed that his mission,human beings (Apology 30b). The story of Jonah in the bible (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Jonah 1&version=NIV) teaches that the knowledge of the value of virtue, selflessness and goodness needs to be taught; it’s a knowledge that needs to gained. Because like it teaches at the very end of the story: some people don’t even have the ability to “tell their right hand from their left” (Autism Spectrum Disorder for example). Or in other words: ignorance (lack of knowledge) is an inevitability; nobody can know until they know. The now pejorative term is neither an insult, nor is it insulting; it’s nothing more than an adjective to explain my, yours, or anythings lack of knowledge to anything in particular. All hate and evil can be catorgorized as this inevitable lack of knowledge—thus, warranting any degree of it infinite forgiveness, because again: you don’t know until you know, this would of course include the lack of knowledge to the value of virtue that leads to hate, evil, and iniquity. Socrates on ignorance and evil: https://www.sparknotes.com/philosophy/apology/idea-nature-of-evil/
Jesus referenced the story of Jonah twice in The Gospels, both times being challenged to show a sign of his divinity: 4 "An evil and adulterous generation seeks for a sign, but no sign will be given to it except the sign of Jonah.” - Matt 16:4 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew 16&version=ESV
Jesus would always refer to God as “Father” because that’s how he was taught about what this God consists of, as having a parents kind of love for you—rememeber the very beginning of The Gospels, where he becomes lost and is found at a temple as a child? And is taught of God as being his “Father;” if you had a child and they committed suicide, would you want them to burn eternally in a lake of fire for it? Of course not. And Jesus didn’t know who his real father was correct? Interesting right? Ultimately what I’m trying to say is that everything we know of God now has came from a collection of blind men, telling other blind men that what they have to say should be held as unquestionably true via the influences of the idea of a God and an Afterlife (of a “heaven”). Everything after Jesus—Paul’s letters, The Gospels to a degree, The Nicene Creed, The Book of Revelation, the idea that a God of love unconditionally would bother with conditions like having to believe Jesus was divine or any of the seemingly infinite amount of external conditions that need to be met to call yourself a “true Christian.” Despite Jesus calling the Pharisees hypocrites every chance he could get and when his disciples told him of some external thing that they needed (bread in the circumstance linked) he would dismiss it as completely unnecessary: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew 16:5-20&version=NIV
Jesus calling out Pharisees: 8"But you are not to be called ‘Rabbi,’ for you have one Teacher, and you are all brothers (to “our father”). 9 And do not call anyone on earth ‘father,’ for you have one Father, and he is in heaven." - Matt 23:8 25 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you clean the outside of the cup and the plate, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence. 26 You blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and the plate, that the outside also may be clean." - Matt 23:25 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=matthew 23&version=NIV
Now lets take a look at one of my favorite things Jesus said, on the the Sermon On the Mount (debately, the most publicized point of his teaching, thus, the most accurate in my opinion) that lead to another connection between what Socrates did and had to say, and Jesus (keep in mind the extent Greek influence made its way throughout Jerusalem and the surrounding areas at this point in time):
“Socrates believed that the most important pursuit in life was to constantly examine one’s beliefs and actions through critical thinking,” (lest you find yourself throwing the supposed messiah up on a cross—like the Pharisees, or persecuting early followers of Jesus’ teaching convinced its right, true, and just—like Paul, or in a war between nations, or collectively hating someone or something, etc.) “and he would not back down from this practice even when it made others uncomfortable.” https://philolibrary.crc.nd.edu/article/no-apologies/#:~:text=The Examined Life,still less likely to believe.
Oaths 33 “Again you have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not swear falsely, but shall perform to the Lord what you have sworn.’ 34 But I say to you, Do not take an oath at all, either by heaven, for it is the throne of God, 35 or by the earth, for it is his footstool, or by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the great King. 36 And do not take an oath by your head, for you cannot make one hair white or black. 37 Let what you say be simply ‘Yes’ or ‘No’; anything more than this comes from evil.[g]
Anything more then yes or no regarding the influences that come from the idea of a heaven (God and an afterlife), or Earth (people and what they’re presently sharing in), only comes from a worry, a need, a fear for oneself: a selfishness. Questions like that only come from our sense of selfishness, and only lead to division, i.e., religion or even more theoretical sciences and philosophy; this is why it’s so important to always consider anything man made as questionably true, opposed to unquestionably true, and that it’s no longer up for question, or whats called: infalliable (no longer capable of error). Questions like what does a God or Afterlife consist of or how exactly did the universe begin, pale in comparison to the truth that is our capacity for selflessness not only individually, but especially, collectively; God or not.
It’s only what a man thinks that can truly defile it: “What goes into someone’s mouth does not defile them, but what comes out of their mouth, that is what defiles them.” - Matt 15:11 "Don’t you see that whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and then out of the body? 18 But the things that come out of a person’s mouth come from the heart, and these defile them. 19 For out of the heart come evil thoughts—murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander. 20 These are what defile a person; but eating with unwashed hands does not defile them.” - Matt 15:17 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew 15&version=NIV It’s “oath-taking,” so to speak, that leads to slander and the collective hate that’s bred from it—racism, hate between cities or their high school sports teams, hate in general if you think about it enough, quarrel at all between nations and any potential war between them, and the list goes on. We’re all humans; one race, brothers and sisters. The worst thing to come from “oath-taking” in my opinion is the hinderance of foreign influences or new knowledge and an open mind along with it. Because it’s this that determines the capacity and how detailed ones imagination is, and it’s imagination that serves as the basis of our ability to empathize, thus, love.
Interesting how neither Jesus or Socrates wrote anything down, and both even went as far as giving their lives dying a martyr trying to teach what they had to say.
“The hardest to love, are the ones that need it the most.” - Socrates
that’s why i worship oil and medicine execs, they have never hurt or killed anyone with their hands and they help make the world go round!
Saints are known and martyred for their selflessness and self‐sacrifice. The church is as man made as the Saints, hence all the bad history I’m sure both share to some degree; your proof only proves my point further.
Peacemaking is peacemaking; love is love; we shouldn’t dismiss all the good someone does just because what their shirt connotates. 2+2 is still 4 whether its Hitler or Jesus saying it. Returning good for evil done is more logical whether it’s Hitler or Jesus going about it.
Don’t worry about that guy. He’s just taking his high horse out for a spin.
Must be nice to be so high up that they can’t see all the people their perspective is helping to trample below them.
Saints are known and martyred for their selflessness and self‐sacrifice. The church is as man made as the Saints, hence all the bad history I’m sure both share to some degree; your proof only proves my point further.
Peacemaking is peacemaking; love is love; we shouldn’t dismiss all the good someone does just because what their shirt connotates. 2+2 is still 4 whether its Hitler or Jesus saying it. Returning good for evil done is more logical whether it’s Hitler or Jesus going about it.
i was being genuine come join my church we have softserve and bagels
Saints are known and martyred for their selflessness and self‐sacrifice. The church is as man made as the Saints, hence all the bad history I’m sure both share to some degree; your proof only proves my point further.
Peacemaking is peacemaking; love is love; we shouldn’t dismiss all the good someone does just because what their shirt connotates. 2+2 is still 4 whether its Hitler or Jesus saying it. Returning good for evil done is more logical whether it’s Hitler or Jesus going about it.
You actually got me to laugh this morning and i almost spit my coffee out so thank you for that! (I’m not being snarky here, that was genuinely funny)
bwahaha merry christmas 😆
Like, both together, or seperated?
however you want tbh
Let’s be progressive and advocate for separation of church and bagel
Saints are known and martyred for their selflessness and self‐sacrifice. The church is as man made as the Saints, hence all the bad history I’m sure both share to some degree; your proof only proves my point further.
Peacemaking is peacemaking; love is love; we shouldn’t dismiss all the good someone does just because what their shirt connotates. 2+2 is still 4 whether its Hitler or Jesus saying it. Returning good for evil done is more logical whether it’s Hitler or Jesus going about it.
Like, Joan of Arc, the Knights Templar blaj blah blah, let alone the Spanish inquisitions and various macelvelian Popes
Saints are known and martyred for their selflessness and self‐sacrifice. The church is as man made as the Saints, hence all the bad history I’m sure both share to some degree; your proof only proves my point further.
Peacemaking is peacemaking; love is love; we shouldn’t dismiss all the good someone does just because what their shirt connotates. 2+2 is still 4 whether its Hitler or Jesus saying it. Returning good for evil done is more logical whether it’s Hitler or Jesus going about it.
And the Inquisitions and Crusades were what now?
Saints are known and martyred for their selflessness and self‐sacrifice. The church is as man made as the Saints, hence all the bad history I’m sure both share to some degree; your proof only proves my point further.
Peacemaking is peacemaking; love is love; we shouldn’t dismiss all the good someone does just because what their shirt connotates. 2+2 is still 4 whether its Hitler or Jesus saying it. Returning good for evil done is more logical whether it’s Hitler or Jesus going about it.
Were you ever even in the vicinity of a bible?
Saints are known and martyred for their selflessness and self‐sacrifice. The church is as man made as the Saints, hence all the bad history I’m sure both share to some degree; your proof only proves my point further.
Peacemaking is peacemaking; love is love; we shouldn’t dismiss all the good someone does just because what their shirt connotates. 2+2 is still 4 whether its Hitler or Jesus saying it. Returning good for evil done is more logical whether it’s Hitler or Jesus going about it.
Hell of a trolley problem ratio, though.
Saints are known and martyred for their selflessness and self‐sacrifice. The church is as man made as the Saints, hence all the bad history I’m sure both share to some degree; your proof only proves my point further.
Peacemaking is peacemaking; love is love; we shouldn’t dismiss all the good someone does just because what their shirt connotates. 2+2 is still 4 whether its Hitler or Jesus saying it. Returning good for evil done is more logical whether it’s Hitler or Jesus going about it.
It’s almost going to be disappointing if we find out he was framed
You mean that what appeared to be a meticulously planned and masterfully executed assassination, such that there was little to no usable camera footage wasn’t likely to be undone the perp wandering around with a written confession and the murder weapon days later?
I’m shocked there haven’t been more conspiracy theories on this.
You need a second such incident for the conspiracy to work. Because the implication is that the real saint is out there working his miracles.
Agreed. I always wondered how two different backpacks came into the picture.
And it would explain the drones in the tristate as they could be useful for finding the suspect.
It would be the worst kind of mindfuck for him if he was just some radical centrist tech bro who got framed of a crime, sanctified in the public opinion, and then proven to be innocent. Like that’s the shit therapists’ accountants dream of
You know, I feel like the thousands of people thirsting after him would be a pretty good ego boost at least. Enough to make up for the psychological torture of being framed? Probs not, buuuuuutttt…
He was arrested for US healthcare’s sins.
And on the third trial he was freed again.
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Additional trials can be avoided through Jury Nullification. Which is what I’d be doing were I empaneled onto the jury that will decide his fate. What would be even better would be that multiple members of that jury engage in Jury Nullification.
I wonder if he could be found guilty of terrorism if his murder trial is nullified. I mean how could he have done terrorism if he didn’t do murder (I’m sure they’ll find a way)
And he sits on the throne with the father and the holly spirit… Wait hold on…no, actually this works OK, I remember the other two did in many more than just one asshole. The temple for example, someone must have been crushed there right? And what about the big ass food! Leaving only one of each dinosaur and two fish! Anyway, what I want to say is free Luigi. The guy is clearly crazy out of his mind. He probably had mushrooms as he was in pain. He took the wrong mushrooms and the rest is history. What is real is all of us asking that his life be spared.
When you come own again you should reread that word salad.
Pope Francis has the opportunity to do the funniest thing here
I was ready to point out that this was not possible because canonisation requires the person have performed two miracles, but then I found out that there is actually a pathway without that:
Very rarely, a Pope may waive the requirement… if he, the Sacred College of Cardinals, and the Congregation for the Causes of Saints all agree that the Blessed lived a life of great merit proven by certain actions.
I’m not sure they can waive the requirement that a saint be dead however, it’s sort of part of the definition…
I think there is an inbetween where you not declared saint but basically are declared somewhat holy ready to be sainted once you die.
But he’s already so beautified 😍
Oh, my. What are you doing with this AI pic you found in the internet?
Praising His Name
Venerated, Beatified, Saint. At least that’s what I remember from Catechism beginning some 67 years ago
Doesn’t one of the charges carry the death penalty?
The miracles are going to be people praying to him to have their claims accepted.
Well, the Popeis the absolute sovereign dictator of Church dogma, so if he says tomorrow that Luigi is a saint, then all 1 billion Catholics worldwide must listen
Kind of. He is the leader of the church but the congregation of Cardinals also holds a lot of political sway over the office as well and advise the pope on all kinds of matters.
Papal infallibility basically only applies to the interpretation of doctrine and scripture by the papal office.
Yeah and there’s still ecumenical councils and tradition.
There’s a reason the pope that gave birth didn’t lead to female priests, sexusl activity permitted among priests, or transmasculine priests, just a genital inspection before being confirmed as pope
Martyrs get a pass on the miracles BTW.
Not quite. They get a pass on miracles for beatification, but wording to this page’s “Since 1983” section two miracles are originally required for canonisation. In fact it is the non-martyr blessed who get a pass, since their miracle to become blessed counts and they only need one more.
The miracles are relatively easy in his case, considering his connection to healthcare. Get enough people with terminal diagnoses praying for his intercession, and some will happen to make a statistically unlikely spontaneous recovery.
‘In nomine Patris et Filii, et Spiritus Sancti. Mora, abnegare et deponere. Amen.’
He can’t become a Saint until after he dies, unfortunately.
Pope could always talk to the big man and get that rule changed. Who’s gonna stop him, the pope?
Sounds like the government wants to do just that if he loses.
Are there any more images? This one looks pretty good, but the title promised me multiple images.
If you download this image, then that’s 2 images.
The copyright industry believes in this one weird trick
Holy cow, how long will this go on?
For me as a European, it feels like I’m observing some kind of weird tribe that just sacrificed one of their people to the gods and celebrating it for weeks…
That’s really fucked up take on this. First, Luigi is innocent until proven guilty. Accordingly, he’s very much alive and not “sacrificed”. Also, you seem to mistake a wave of support (I am afraid our filter bubble suggests there is more support than there is in the average DS citizen) for celebrations. Also, by trying to ridicule the movement, you do propaganda for the establishment. So please get lost, troll.
he’s very much alive and not “sacrificed”
The CEO is the one that got sacrificed to the gods with the hope that the system changes…
I’m totally on your side when it’s about fixing your broken and also very expensive healthcare system… But I dunno… Maybe electing a president that supports your interests (instead of one that does the opposite) or going on the streets with Millions of others or a nation wide strike would actually change it…
And what exactly is the movement? Getting rid of more CEOs? I don’t see any movement here. Maybe, I’m biased… I’d love to see a movement that actually leads to change, but I don’t see it.
Well, I guess, I have to deal with a few more weaks of memes about this…
Best regards The troll
didn’t we try the whole elect a president that would bring the change, like twice now?
In fact, looking towards history, the only time we really had change for the better is when the working poor threatened the super rich
didn’t we try the whole elect a president that would bring the change, like twice now?
yeah… some of you tried it.
But an actual majority voting for the Orange one instead of progress after progress after progress can also be interpreted like a part of your population wants a much worse healthcare system and/or is very stupid.
and/or is very stupid
Yes. We have a rigged system with propaganda and a poor educational system by design. This is very powerful and possibly unstoppable at this point. The main reasons our stupid populous vote against their own interests. They are stupid, but it’s not necessarily their fault. Again, propaganda and education.
This is not an easy problem to solve. Mercing CEOs might be the only option… The whole voting and playing by “the rules” isn’t working. The rich are getting richer, poor poorer, and corruption is becoming even more acceptable and in our faces.
If 50% of the population stop working for weeks, this should be a lot more effective than “mercing” anyone.
Yes, let us all just starve and get evicted. Most of us are barely scraping by while we are working 40+ hr weeks. Forfeiting our meager incomes simply isn’t an option if we want to, you know, survive.
oh ya, I too forgot that black president existed. who in an act of pure bipartisan appeasement decided to create the Affordable Care Act that we have today instead
“There are four boxes to be used in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and cartridge (or ammo). Please use in that order.”
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_boxes_of_liberty
They’ve all but taken the soap box, we have “free speech zones” to “safely” protest out of sight, and when we ignore those the media either doesn’t cover it, or gives the most unflattering description, taking the side of corporations (see: Amazon strikes framed in "how will this affect your Christmas delivery. A.k.a: be mad at the employees)
They’ve taken the ballot box with Citizens United literally paving the way for what Elmo Muskrat is doing now: buying elections. We can’t elect the people we’d want to elect.
They’ve taken the jury through the elimination of the teaching of the concept of jury nullification (but also doesn’t apply in this specific situation) and have taken the Judiciary through ratfuckery (see: Mitch McTurtle refusing to seat any SCOTUS judges when it’s a Democrat picking them)
So all we’re left with is the “cartridge” or, ammo box.
They force this on us but “thankfully” at least some of us won’t just let us keep getting steamrolled. :/
As to how this could be a “movement.” It isn’t. It’s one person choosing the ammo box because like the rest of us he felt hopeless and took the only action he felt could achieve anything at all. (It did: see blue cross blue shield reversing their anesthesia charging plan right after the shooting) There was also the “renewal” of the conversation about healthcare which all but vanished. Check the “issues” from exit polling, healthcare barely showed up. Whenever healthcare was discussed previously it was in the framing of “people love their private insurance!” that being told to us by the media. Now the discussion is “maybe there’s a larger issue if people from left to right are all supportive of what Luigi did.”
The CEO is the one that got sacrificed to the gods with the hope that the system changes…
Moving the goalposts much? No one in support of Luigi would dream of considering that CEO mass murderer as “one of their people” as you put it. And since you know that, you absolutely did not mean that mass murdering shithead.
Strikes only work against corporations when it’s that corporation’s staff striking, and those people seem to prefer to have a job over becoming unemployed
For America to elect a Parliament and President that would regulate the health industry such would have to be put forward by one side or the other. Perhaps this assassination will bring such regulation to the fore in future elections
Is that wave of support outside social media?
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hate for a system that has abused its victims for decades runs deep.
expect it to continue at least, grow to encompass more saintly visages at most.
Unfortunately when you exploit the people of a place for too long they get backed into a corner and lash out.
Fuck off then
Not quite, in America we always think of the sacrificed as belonging to the other tribe.
Nice.
Unhinged and I am so here for it. Peace be with you.
We are all cringe on this blessed day.
Based
That’s a halo, not the sun. Because he’s a saint.
Thanks updated!
Lemmy was so much cooler before it was a cult. All this murder worship is the lamest shit ever.
I mean this genuinely, why not just filter the words: Luigi [depending on how much you want to talk about Mario], Mangione, UHC, and depose?
I filtered “game day,” Linux, and all of the moe communities, because I don’t care about it and it will eventually wear on me to see a bunch of stuff related to those topics.
moe communities
He’s honored!
That’s fair, that’s a good take.
But letting thousands die through selfishness is totally cool, right?
Asshole.
Don’t bother with them. It’s not worth your time. They either won’t be convinced or they’re looking to upset you.
The latter has been happening more frequently. Probably because reddit banned any talk about luigi and now all the high horse trolls migrated to lemmy to get their fix. Not saying that person is one(dont know, dont care), but I find being aware of that sort of activity is helpful.
No, believe it or not, also quite bad. Not sure how you even came to this conclusion.
If peaceful means of bringing about change have fallen on deaf ears, then violence is inevitable and arguably justifiable.
Like if this act brings about positive change in the industry when nothing else did, is Luigi really the bad guy?
I’m glad you at least admit the possibility that this act does nothing or makes it worse. “IF” is the key word here.
If peaceful means of bringing about change fails and you resort to violence, that’s the definition of terrorism. It’s not justifiable. We have a democracy and the reason it is failing is because voters are stupid, easily mislead, and uneducated about issues.
Our chance at Single-Payer to permanently solve all issues with Healthcare funding came and left in 2010 when the Senate Democrats (58) came up 1 vote short of the 60 needed for supermajority. The only thing we’ve tried since then is to elect more Republicans. You will be fighting an uphill battle against the vast majority of Americans if you join any sort of revolution over this charade, and the people you think you’re saving don’t want or deserve it.
Would you say the same about the civil war to end slavery? It’s not always as simple as “violence = terrorism & bad” as you make it or to be
The Civil War was STARTED BY THE SLAVERS because the peaceful democracy was ABOLISHING SLAVERY WITH LEGISLATION.
And was it wrong to respond with violence back?
Take another example then, if you’d prefer. Was it wrong for anti-fascists to be violent against nazi Germany in the pre-war period?
When you share an opinion with Donald Trump, it might be time to reflect and reevaluate your opinions.
https://people.com/donald-trump-slams-those-defending-luigi-mangione-8763517
I don’t care if you defend mangione, I dont care if you want him to get a low sentence or have his charges brought down and commuted, but yall are literally unironically worshipping thats my fucking problem.
And by the way thats a shit test, Donald Trump says he wants clean air and water (hes full of shit) does that mean every environmentalist is a nazi?
c/lemmyshitpost
“literally unironically”
u gotta pick one homie. we were literally unironically worshipping beans and jeans here just a matter of months ago.
Quick, someone make a meme of Luigi eating beans out of a denim bowl! “Luigeans”
Read the comments.
i have, i guess ur not picking up on the subtext at all lmao
This is a shitpost community. Of course we’re unironically worshipping, that’s what should happen with this post in this community.
If you want to see what people actually think find similar posts in straight communities
This is actually pretty cool in the frame of Folk Saints, maybe I’ll write up a chaplet or something 🤔
