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He also had a three-page handwritten manifesto that included grievances with the US healthcare system, a document that spoke to the suspect’s “motivation and mindset”, officials said.
Publish it then.
He was carrying it around for absolutely no reason and for long enough to get caught with it? Bullshit, it’s manufactured evidence.
First thought that came to mind as well, it sounds very implausible for him to be carrying a manifesto.
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Ikr
Well, a YouTube account with the shooters name posted a video today titled “truth” which was basically saying that there were videos scheduled to be made public in the near future (presumably on the same account), which would speak to his motivations and mind set or something of the sort.
Instead of telling you about it, I would prefer to just link the video, but according to YouTube, the account associated with the YouTube channel has been removed, so you can believe me or not on this. the video was only up for about 4 hours and when I saw it, maybe 30 minutes before it was removed from YouTube, it had 10’s of thousands of views. I know those counters aren’t exactly real time, so it’s not unreasonable to think that upwards of 100k people saw it, maybe more, and unless one of them saved it, it’s likely that nobody else will see it.
It’s still here for now
This is fabricated
That may be so, but the claim in the context that the YouTube handle doesn’t match his Twitter handle is wrong
http://web.archive.org/web/20241209203920/https://www.youtube.com/@PepMangione
I’m not sure about the claim that the account was created yesterday. This article claims it was created in January, but I’m not sure if that can be verified now that the account has been removed
Lol, Twitter?! Seriously? I’m not even going to click that shit. I know it’s not real.
Well well well,
Once, not if, but once it leaks, who ordered this, and who executed said order of this information being suppressed, you’ll have more heads in line for the guillotine.
¡Congrats!
That list is getting long.
Pretty sure that YT account was faked, or mis-related to Mangione
It will be impossible to ever know whether or was or not.
This thing about a guy at Macdonald’s recognizing his eyes also sounds bit strange tbh
Or he consider himself a crusader for a cause more than a vigilante and was carrying it to get more attention to his beliefs.
And yet instead of waiting around to get lots of attention and people *quoting things he said before cops arrived he quietly got on a bus. Doesn’t track.
*fucking worthless autocorrect
My tin foil hat theory is that he was planning out another shooting and got interrupted.
Give them time to write it up! They police are having problems with the shared Google Doc permissions.
and the reading, don’t forget the reading
Historically speaking, pigs can’t read.
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Wow thanks for posting
We wouldn’t want to arouse ill-will toward health insurers /s
Hey you got your account back!!
Are you referring to the 2FA problem I had? I brute-forced it with a simple Bash script utilizing Lemmy API. Our instance doesn’t seem to have rate-limiting.
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that is configurable by your admin. while it was useful for you, you should probably raise that problem to your admin.
Yea, Oh Cool.
Reported by a worker at McD. Wtf, they’re the group that would benefit the most from a change in the healthcare system. Idiot.
Reported by a worker at McD. Wtf, they’re the group that would benefit the most from a change in the healthcare system. Idiot.
Or, and hear me out here, we can view this with a little sympathy: there’s $60k in rewards for anyone who turned this guy in, and the person who did it makes peanuts at McDonalds.
Now, I don’t know if I would do it, but I can completely and utterly sympathize why someone who makes poverty wages would turn class traitor for what almost certainly life-changing money.
Well then this person is a moron. They won’t see a dime. Maybe a pat on the head and a gift card from the dollar store.
Employee of the Month
With the review bombing and public hatred of that McDonald’s location? Fired is more like it.
I don’t think that McDonald’s gives single fuck about review bombing
The corporation? Definitely not. But review bombing and boycotting will hurt the profits of that franchised location, and its owner certainly will.
Do people really look at or read reviews of McDonald’s?
You research reviews of McDonald where you are going to get burger? Really?
I meant more like, that’s the best accolade you may get as someone working for McDonald’s. But yes, McDonald’s absolutely has a reason to support the status quo in terms of corporate rule.
They’ll let him order anything he wants off the dollar menu!
Which is really just a pack of fries, minus the fries at this point, becaues what store has a dollar menu anymore?
I don’t. Might as well just be a cop if you think like that, plenty of room for bootlicking morons in that profession.
Here here. I’m poor as shit, got no insurance whatsoever, 60k would be somewhat life changing for me. I would never ever squeal on a comrade like that, even for millions.
Find out finds everyone
The downvotes on this really make me question my faith in humanity.
Neat how that works. Keep the populace poor and they become a wall to wall surveillance system for you. And people worry about technology…
Off-topic question: are rewards money taxable?
There’s no reason for them not to be treated like any other income.
If I remember correctly, they can be anonymous. If that’s the case, they wouldn’t really be easily taxable. Still, we are talking about the government here, and if they tax lottery winnings, I would bet they tax rewards.
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shooter and ceo were closer in class than the shooter and working class
Ah, good ol’ “anyone who makes enough money to pay rent is part of the capitalist class, not the working class”
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He was a white collar working class guy. His work history is full of positions at various tech companies working as an engineer. It doesn’t appear that he was handed any sort of dynasty.
He was upper class, and he had better opportunities than your average American, but he was still a worker.
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I dunno. I’ve never met the narc, and I already don’t feel like he’s on my side.
Simply a lack of class consciousness. America has worked hard since the rise of the USSR to topple workers power through union busting and destruction of community.
Basically we are built by our material conditions.
One doesn’t have to go far to find a boot-licking class traitor who thinks if they run the rat race well enough they’ll get a piece of cheese.
But to be fair to the McDonalds worker, the cash reward is designed to do just that.
$50k is 1-2 years pay for the person who reported him. For them, that short term relief was worth more than the highly improbable outcome where this man’s actions actually impact their life in a positive way in the next few months. Money wins almost every time
I’m glad the rat will most likely get denied their pellet.
We can’t tell you who squealed, but it was one of the dozen employees at this McDonald’s. Probably the one that’s going to change jobs soon…
I’d be pissed and scared if I was an employee at that McDonald’s
America’s working class has a long history of buying into propaganda and acting against their own interests. It’s a huge reason why the medical industry has gotten so bad.
That being said, it’s important to keep our anger focused on the system, not people who are getting suckered by it.
It pains me to see so many people ready and willing to beat up their Trump voting neighbor who fell for propaganda designed for them but not the Trump financing ceos
He had everything on him to get caught and convicted. I don’t think he wanted to run forever.
Because they rely on “tips” , as the corporation is unable to pay a wage that is sufficient to support a basic standard of living. If only capitalist weren’t so greedy they wouldn’t be relying on the tips to survive.
I worked at McDonalds for a few years when I was younger. They didn’t let us get tips.
Also worked there. There is no McDonald’s that has ever allowed tips. It’s against their corporate rules. I even saw an employee get written up for accepting a tip, once.
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Why do I keep reading his name as “Luigi’s Mansion”
Lucky the police got him before he got nintendo’ed.
There’s a picture of him holding a McD happy meal?? He had the gun and manifesto just laying there in his backpack? You f’ing kidding??
Some elite fucks used an advanced AI search algorithm to search a bunch of people who vaguely looked like him. Input term search for social media and ‘reviews’ to further narrow down until you find someone who has a few tweets and posts that the media can point to say “yup hey look, he liked Kzynski’s manifesto on goodreads…got the guy!”. Plant evidence, and you got your scapegoat.
This poor kids’ life is ruined. And he will probably be threatened if he doesn’t plead guilty and waive jury trial. He’ll get a visit from the MIB threatening to skin his family alive in front of him if he doesn’t play along.
Reading these fantasy takes is exhausting. It’s hard to want to be a part of a community that supports this guy by gaslighting everyone, saying things like “it’s not the same guy in the four photos!” Just hundreds of people all convinced they can secure this guys freedom by acting dumb and face blind- you’ve created a whole fictional scenario here that’s just unbelievable and unrealistic.
If he didn’t want to get caught he shouldn’t have left DNA all over, shouldn’t have taken off his mask, shouldn’t be carrying the murder weapon days later… He could have helped himself but instead there’s an army of idiots who are probably just creating this fan fiction to impress their peers. It’s very childish though. This guy tried to do something which is commendable, or maybe he’s just mentally ill, but I’m just tired of reading all this nonsense. Who are you signalling to?
I posted this elsewhere, but this is one of the few times I buy the conspiracy theory, not the official story.
Dude pulls off a targeted assassination, gets away clean, trolls the cops with a bag of monopoly money, gets out of the state, stays essentially hidden for almost a week… And then gets clocked by some poor maccas employee and gets taken in with a manifesto AND a gun on his person?
It’s the nazi flag and 3 copies of The Sims all over again, except this time the folks doing it are slightly more competent and actually pulled it off.
This case is so important, so high profile, that they just need to arrest someone ASAP. Anyone. And that person is not in for a good time.
There’s a simple explanation: He wanted to keep on the move, and he wanted to be able to take down other targets.
smh that doesn’t fit the narrative
His face jas been plastered everywhere for the past week. My YouTube home page literally had 3-4 thumbnails of his face on every reload. Lemmy…X…news sites…massive exposure.
So yah…some random worker notices his face looks kind of similar while he’s dining at his favorite spot and bam. Don’t forget there was a $10k bounty, plenty of fast food workers might be itching to collect on something like that.
He probably figured once he was questioned about anything that they’d eventually get him so he prepared for that scenario. Or maybe this wasn’t even his last stop on his triple-D tour so he was still geared up.
We’ll see him in court. If he’s innocent then he make a pretty good argument and then we can decide whether to raise eyebrows but this all just seems Q-anon levels of silly right now.
there was a $10k bounty,
$60k. $10k from NYPD and $50k from the FBI.
$50k from the FBI?! You gotta be shitting me… If this happened to anyone of us the FBI wouldn’t give a single fuck.
To be fair, people were posting actors who look like the very shitty pictures we have of the guy too, and I buy some of them. Honestly, the picture we have looks more like Timothée Chalamet than this guy. I’m not saying it isn’t this guy, or it is Chalamet, but there’s a shit ton of people in this world, and a lot look like the shooter.
Edit to add: I’ll never trust the word of the authorities. They have to prove that this is the man. It’s their duty, not ours.
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unless you’ve worked in my field, which I can say with near certainty you haven’t, then you haven’t seen, witnessed, or experienced the things I have
I’ll bite, what field are you in?
I hope mental healthcare, but on the receiving end
Body guard or the person that watches flagged videos.
It reminds me of people in the UFO community.
The fantasy takes are so close to the people that still believe GameStop and AMC will still have a short squeeze.
I think he knew he was going to get caught. Words on bullets, monopoly money… It’s trying to make the story larger and larger. Pretty sure he will make a show in front of the jury.
I don’t know if that will work, but I respect that more than he killed the pig without making clear why.
You can’t convince me this is the real shooter, this guy looks more like Skeet from Jimmy Neutron than the “Grin Reaper” in the now famous pic
I said this to many folks IRL, the guy the NYPD charges will not be the shooter. just some poor sap that gets sent to prison for life because he had a dissenting opinion.
it’s the high price we pay to keep them in power.
On the upside, some people were pointing out he comes from a rich family
One of us
Doesn’t look like the guy in the photos. That guy had a coat on. Not guilty.
He honestly doesn’t look like the same guy to me. Idk.
I admit I’m kinda disappointed. He pulled out almost perfect assassination that looked well thought out, managed to get away with only a few hickups in his plan as far as his face is considered, and then walks around with a murder weapon and a manifesto in his bag? Shame, really. All he needed was to lay low for a while, grow a beard and he’d probably be OK.
Don’t be disappointed. I guessed he was going to do this, and for good reason. His options were to either, live a life in fear, worrying that one day he would be caught, or, to basically give him self up, and elect for a Jury trial. Jury nullification is one os the most powerful tools available to the average, non-rich american. If he goes through the trial and gets acquited (which only takes 1 juror), then hes a free man, a folk hero, and he sets the precident that killing rich murderers isn’t an automatic crime.
What he’s doing is the smartest available option, please donate to his legal defense fund.
and gets acquited (which only takes 1 juror)
Unfortunately this is not true. 1 juror alone can hang the jury, but they’d have to convince all the other jurors to actually render a verdict of not guilty to avoid a mistrial
Have you ever been on a jury? In my experience it’s 2-4 strong personalities and a bunch of people confused by lawyer speak (because two confident authority figures are telling them to believe e two different things and they can’t reconcile the contradiction) and people who just want to go home and thus go along with the strong personalities.
Isn’t it always said that jurys are made up of people not smart enough to get out of jury duty.
Some jobs give you your work day wage for jury duty as a benefit. Why not go? Get paid by work to take a break from work and watch live court drama.
There’s value in knowing how it works.
If your job doesn’t pay you, the $15/day, or whatever ridiculous amount, won’t pay your bills so yes, get out of it.
… Right, so therefore
1 juror alone can hang the jury, but they’d have to convince all the other jurors to actually render a verdict of not guilty to avoid a mistrial
a court case also draws out media coverage, possibly more than an extended search would
I almost want to believe this guy saw how similar he was to the photos and how famous the shooter was getting and decided to take the fall by wandering around in public with some incriminating circumstantial evidence until someone reported him so he could take the credit.
You’re supposed to grow the beard before and shave it off after. Its much faster to shave it off than grow it back
As a girl, shit.
No worries gurl, you can still use a wig and fake beard
You don’t understand.
The fact that he wrote a manifesto meant he wanted to get caught. The taking the murder weapon and the manifesto to the McDonald’s was his way of saying he had gotten bored waiting for the cops to catch him. He pretty much turned himself in.
For sure this has not been planted at all.
Only a bit more subtle than Russians https://www.vice.com/en/article/russia-sims-3/
The gun is planted. They just found a crazy guy in order to convince everyone that they actually found the culprit.
To my knowledge, he claimed specifically the money in his bag was planted. Specifically they said there was US and foreign cash in his bag. The fact that Luigi is denying the cash but admitting to the gun and manifesto. To me I think he knew he was going down… but I would be far from supprised if the money was planted either to raise it up to 1st degree murder… or while I’m very far from legally qualified… if they could try and claim he was doing a job for an enemy of the US, could they buypass the trial?
I find that kind of unlikely. If they wanted to frame someone just to have a killer, they wouldn’t be talking about a “3D printed ghost gun”, but just use a regular gun. I, for one, haven’t known that it’s possible to 3D print a pretty well working, and silenced, gun. And that might inspire someone - acquiring weapons is the harder part of any such murder, assuming you don’t want to get caught, and the fact that you can get it without anyone knowing about it makes it way easier.
They know the guy is a engineer. They came up with the 3D printed gun because it fits with the character, and gives politician an excuse to ban 3D printers all together, “for our safety!”.
I’m speculating and being a conspiracy theory, but in theory this could make sense. Nobody will ever find out the truth, I’m afraid.
People misunderstand 3d printed guns. We use mostly normal gun parts bought anywhere, but legally the pistol handle is considered the gun, and the most popular commercial ones have been plastic for decades. So 3d print that glock frame and put a glock slide on it and you’ve got a cheap glock (and outside of like 3 States, that’s totally legal).
There’s fairly large 3d printing gun communities, mostly because it’s just fun to build things.
3d printed silencers are much more rare / fragile because those are illegal to make without ATF approval and silencers need to withstand heat and pressure, so the typical plastic can’t withstand prolonged use.
Just yesterday this video of Mike Shake popped in my feed: https://youtu.be/tHzuz09l41U
Essentially a sniper rifle with compressed air able to propel a 3d-printed bullet at sub-sonic speeds able to break a simulated skull. And it penetrated hard enough to for sure cause major complication for the target. Not to mention that lead slugs can easily be made DIY without much complications and skill. Lead can be melted pretty easily so lol.
Not much to do besides being able to cut a pipe, make a release mechanism and compile it all with a projectile to shoot. Done is your makeshift weapon.
If they did that and the real killer killed again, what would that achieve? Or is this a one-and-done thing?
Not that I’m fully on board with the theory, but you might be surprised how often “solving” a high profile case is placed above actually getting the right man.
This is a publicity nightmare for the police, and getting someone in custody “achieves” placating the public and key stakeholders.
Repeating things about this kids views on the Uni-bomber and referring to his writings as a manifesto “achieves” diminishing his status as a folk hero.
So while I won’t endorse any particular theory until more evidence comes out, it wouldn’t be the first time putting a scapegoat in jail was deemed more important than letting people think the “perp” got away. Even if the hypothetical real shooter kills again, controlling the narrative can be it’s own goal in cases like this.
If they did that and the real killer killed again, what would that achieve?
More dead CEOs, I guess. I’m down with that.
I doubt you will be when the costs of everything go up due to all the corporations hiring massive security teams.
Something that doesn’t seem to occur to so many of you and something most of you have no response to. In fact, the only response I occasionally get is that it’s worth the cost, which seems to go against the whole reason for the assassination in the first place.
How much do you think it costs to hire a security detail? I’m pretty sure security for the entire C-suite would be a tiny drop in the bucket for most mega-corporations.
Whether it costs a dollar or a billion dollars, who do you think is going to pay for it?
If they could squeeze out an extra dollar then they would already do so. They don’t need to justify it as “increased security costs”.
I think this is why there’s a common narrative on the internet that this “evidence” was planted to frame a random dude.
It’s fair to call that a conspiracy theory at this point, but hopefully due process will reveal the truth.
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The article spelled Hero wrong…
It’s from the BBC, they are using the British spelling.
I’m curious why he still carry all those things after he is done with it.
Maybe plotting how to dispose of it, perhaps extra paranoid with how much he blew up. Unfortunately all the memes of him probably helped spread the search for him. Not everyone who saw a meme agreed with his actions.
It was a ghost gun, he could have thrown it into any ditch and not have it traced back to him.
He’d probably be ditching more than just that. He could be caught on a security camera disposing of it which could give further clues. He may also had no intention of disposal and intended to keep the firearm.
There are not security cameras all the way.
He may also had no intention of disposal
The whole point of a ghost gun is to be able to throw it away and have it not traced back to you.
Private security footage could have caught him disposing, someone could have witnessess and grabbed another photo of him using his their cell phone. He could be worried about finger prints on the gun or other biological clues. And if a ghost gun is so untraceable, keeping it after a crime shouldn’t be proof, because how do you prove it was this ghost gun used in the crime? He could claim he just keeps it for self defense or was interested in how far 3D printed tech has come
He could be planning another assassination or desire to keep the weapon for self defense purposes. I think you are downplaying the parannoia that would come with such a large scale manhunt accompanied with becoming an internet meme spreading your photo and awareness of your act over night. Paranoia makes you constantly think “but what if?” And that paranoia is even stronger in an extreme circumstance like this.
The fact is, we may never know why he kept it.
Even without serial number, a ghost gun will leave rifling marks on the bullets which can be compared by firing the gun into ballistic gel
In other threads, people have suggested that he might be carrying the manifesto in case he was shot and killed if/when arrested.
I love how transparent the billionaire media is now. everything I’ve heard about this guy is a character assassination or speculative at best.
they even mobbed the highschool he graduated from…EIGHT YEARS AGO. All to get some clips they can piece together to fit the narrative that he’s “a bad crazy man with a gun”.
this shooting has certainly scared the fucking shit out of the aristocracy though. you can tell how scared they are by how hard the media is pushing the story of his capture.
Like he’s literally a comp sci nerd who reads books. Literally how can they make him into a bad guy?! everything I learn about him makes me even more down diabolical
Raise your hand if you want to read the suspect’s manifesto!
have a look at this guy’s twitter: https://x.com/pepmangione?lang=en
Can you screenshot it? I’m not signing up for that shithole site.
You know, is said he worked UI at Firaxia from '15 to '17, which first made me think he worked on Civ VI, but then more likely Xcom Chimera Squad?
You don’t get that job without having some interest in games. I hope it turns out he actually played Assassin’s Creed and is intentionally pulling an Ezio look, smile and all.
I read in an AP article that he worked on Civ VI as an intern, so you would be correct.
He started a game dev club at his uni iirc
I could get lost in that smile.
The Revolution will not be televised.
Came to mind.
Does the police media briefing affect his right to a fair trial? They mentioned his motivation and mindset and a note. Apparently he implied money had been planted in the charge hearing.
