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Greenland joins US. Existing Greenland people not born in US. Deported coz not a citizen.
Seized lands auctioned off to highest corporate bidders along with liberal rights. Exploitation of the wilderness destroys it. Capitalism and oligarchy destroys another piece of our world.
Wow. You are so right.
…Trump took the unprecedented step of refusing to rule out military action to take territory from a Nato ally…
what. the. fuck.
What even happens if one NATO member attacks another? Does the aggressor immediately get their membership nullified and the rest must come together and declare war on them?
NATO immediately loses all credibility. Otherwise, nothing much.
NATO was founded as a defensive pact against the Soviet Union.
The only time it was ever used was as a tool by the US to force other countries to join the war in Afghanistan.
Article 5 isn’t an automatism that forces all members to start an all-out war. They’re still sovereign.I mean, it’s never happened. But the US declaring war on Danish territory would violate Article 5.
Intra-alliance fighting has always been a concern because of Greece and Turkey. Article 5 is probably the only reason they haven’t already gone to war. But yeah the US would fight all of European NATO that answers the call, win a pyrrhic victory, and destabilize Europe for the next 100 years.
US wouldn’t win, that would be the best time for China to overtake them on the global stage
i’m guessing that
heputin thinks that doing so would be enough to break apart the alliance or get the u.s. kicked out.That would definitely do it. With the way Trump is talking Denmark might end up being forced to expel the US military from Thule to avoid a Chrimea scenario.
“Heputin” is how I’ll be saving space and time moving forward.
always remember: when something bad happens, it’s always russia’s fault somehow. no introspection allowed.
A “world leader”, ladies and gentlemen.
This is an example of flooding the zone with shit do we talk about this and not the confirmations or the ICE raids.
You right, but what would talking about thr conformation or raids do?
I hope NATO responds… but is this partially an effort to weaken and distract NATO so it’s easier for Putin to have his way with Europe?
Very likely to be.
Yes, every time something happens that you don’t like, it’s russia’s fault. No other explanation allowed/required.
this idiot knows the British and french have nukes, right?
The US congress must approve a declaration of war. Here is to hoping that there are enough sane senators left. Nobody wants this war, but if Europe doesn’t stand up to bullies, we’re doomed to be taken advantage of further. This is a challenge that will define a generation of European leadership.
I also find it delightfully ironic that the US now risks invading Denmark and it’s up to the rest of EU to stand up against it when Denmark spied for the US on the rest of the EU between 2012 and 2014 and were caught red handed.
Just goes to show the old lesson of what the US does to its allies once they’re no longer useful.
The Iraq War proved that Congress doesn’t have the balls to insist on that point of order.
I don’t think it’ll start with a formal declaration. He won’t get that.
I think he’ll order the military to stop paying for the US military base in Greenland without leaving, then have them expand operations outside of the agreement to provoke a response.
This will of course make every other country far less likely to renew or grant leases for US military bases and reduce US global military hegemony. But nobody driving this is thinking that far ahead.
every other country far less likely to renew or grant leases for US military bases are reduce global military hegemony. But nobody driving this is thinking that far ahead.
Oh I suspect some of the people driving this are getting exactly what they paid for.
The puppet masters sure, but the puppet has no idea.
We haven’t declared war since WW2. The President can launch an attack without needing Congress backing for ~90 days if I remember correctly. I’m hoping he isn’t dumb enough to do so, but he may get drunk one night and set it off while bitching on truth social at 1 in the morning and make a drunken phone call because he’s not mentally stable.
He doesnt drink, this is all his regular brainwaves. :(
In a world where he is bound by laws he is also bound to uphold treaties ratified by Congress, and attacking Greenland is an immediate violation of our NATO treaties. So if Congress actually felt like flexing its authority they could shut down an invasion immediately, but I have little hope of that happening.
Only if the Senate would prosecute him does Congress have any real say. Would it be an offense that should have him impeached and removed immediately, yes. Would they do so… Doubt it.
The question is, “is there at least 33 scumbags and a JD Shit for Brians in the Senate?” The answer is easy. Absolutely. He likely could level their 3 largest cities with carpet bombs killing 25,000+ people and threaten to attack any country who moves to retaliate or protect them. Unless all of NATO/EU mobilized together, they would just give it up. Hell, that’s 20,000 people less than Israel has killed, and the world just watched. Suppressing 25,000 people scattered throughout the land are easy to suppress compared to the almost 50 million that were in countries like Iraq. He could end the war before Congress could potentially convene, and pass the impeachment documents to the Senate for a trial.
NATO wouldn’t want to fight the U.S. when Russia is already engaging from the East and trying to grab more land
And you know he’s escalating because his narcissistic personality hates being told no, especially on such a public stage.
I wonder what the real problem play is here.
- Distraction to soak up outrage and attention?
- Actual desire to take Greenland because they global warming will unveil riches beneath the ice?
- Naively thinking NATO will abandon the USA as quickly as Trump would abandon NATO?
- Thinking they can divert NATO defenses to Greenland instead of Ukraine?
No scenario seems like a smart play but that’s MAGA for you.
- Dementia-addled brain latches onto a stupid obsession for random reasons and everyone ends up trying to figure out what 4-D chess move is really behind it.
It’s still a problem the world needs to deal with, but I don’t think it’s as deep as everyone thinks.
I agree. He just wants to have it because he floated the idea once and people disagreed with him. The dangerous part is when it eventually becomes an embarrassment to him because Denmark and the EU won’t budge.
…just give him a sharpie and let him doodle on a big wall map; problem solved…
I think that invading greenland is an effective way to destroy nato. Russia and China would be pleased.
Its a smart play for china.
China will be happy to pump this with trump.
Trump will happily be told by china he can have it if they can have Taiwan. He won’t care about the second part, just hearing he is ok to proceed will send him signing orders
Then Europe/NATO will object complain, block fight etc.
Suddenly dollar isn’t the Petro dollar anymore because of their stability issues. China will step up and trumpet themselves as the stable one so use them.
Once Petro dollar isn’t USA anymore all hell breaks lose economy wise.
Other post on topic had comment on new shipping lanes near Arctic thawing and already being used by Chinese ships illegally and the rich fucks want control.
1 seems the most likely to me. 2 won’t be relevant for at least another 60 years or so, 3 I hope is not true, 4 seems absurd to me.
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And the heads who would replace him.
That’s the important thing, because Trump at least is dumb as a bucket of shit, imagine someone with the same ideology, but more than one brain cell taking his place.
Why do we want Greenland anyway? It’s the icy one, right?
No but serious question. What value does it have?
It looks big on the map, trump thinks he’s about to gain 50% more land for america
It borders the US and is populated by white people.
Notice how he also talks about Canada becoming a US state.
He doesn’t want to expand the US to the south, cause that would make Mexicans US citizens.But he’s basically internalized Putin’s logic that territorial expansion is good.
Even though that kind of thinking is over 100 years out of date.Northwest Passage claim
Time to go see if China are interested in building some military bases on Greenland. Same thing for Panama for that matter. Maybe Canada wants some help as well?
Why does everyone keep taking Trump at face value? His security concerns are a cover for the resources American companies want to extract from Greenland.
The ones Greenland offered to negotiate a deal for?
Don’t need a deal if you just steal it.
Don’t need to steal it if it’s offered to you… I don’t understand… That’s going to be my motto for the next 4 years. I expect it’ll only get worse
Unless the offer is everything is free and the US gets to control its territorial waters then it’s not a good enough deal to them. Again, why buy when you can steal.
Yeah. This is 1800’s banana company level stuff.
Moreover, it is possible that this is one of his hander’s favourite strategies. He’s making a lot of smoke about the whole Greenland thing, so he is trying to bury something bad in the news. Potentially how staple item prices are going to skyrocket in the US when your oil, lumber and more than half of your raw minerals cost 25% more.
Because Greenland is open for business without the threats. Arguably, it’s less open for business now.
This isn’t post world war 2 global trade, this is 19th century global trade. They want full control.
Then they can get fucked, the EU will defend Greenland’s (prospective) sovereignty.
I’m not sure they’d do it militarily but it would handily break the western alliance. I’m just hoping Americans have the courage and willpower to take to the streets. Because at that point it will be obvious that Trump is destroying everything we’ve built for decades.
Then they can get fucked, the EU will defend Greenland’s (prospective) sovereignty. Yeah? Who, and how?
Wenn du dich jetzt bewirbst darfste sogar selbst dabei sein. Flugzeugträger funktionieren gegen Europa nicht.
No one dares to say something.
The handlers will just let Donny play in a protected playpen and scream and shout all he wants and they’ll throw in a stuffed toy or a plastic toy he can easily break and get his frustrations out.
The problems will start when little Donny will start to get out of control and start pushing buttons he isn’t supposed to have access to.
Hopefully, the Nuclear Football is baby proofed enough to keep us all alive.
He has his loyalists in power. No one to say no to him and that will follow his orders.
He cycled through a lot of staff last time round
Not saying he won’t fire a bunch of people this time, but last time he was in so far over his head he didn’t know he had to hire/bring in all of those positions. He thought he just walked in and the people were there to bark orders at.
Indeed. He probably presumed he was emperor supreme last time and got a rude awakening. So he’s (well his handlers) spent the last 4 years making it so next time round he would actually be emperor.
