This is a perfectly logical answer to a hunter.
“Remove the label”
The bad hunter who misses all the shots and buys the fowl in the market
Is it telling steps to cook it
and yet the crypto/AI bros swear that the second coming of AI Christ is here.
Do the search yourself you’ll see that you get a better answer.
Question: How to clean a rescued pidgeon
ChatGPT: Cleaning a rescued pigeon should be done carefully to avoid stressing or harming the bird. Here’s a step-by-step guide to help you:
- Assess the Pigeon’s Condition Check for injuries: If the pigeon is injured, weak, or sick, it’s best to seek veterinary help before attempting to clean it. Observe behavior: If the pigeon is acting stressed or aggressive, you may need to wait until it calms down.
- Prepare the Cleaning Area Warm water: Fill a basin or sink with lukewarm water, not hot or cold. Mild soap: Use a gentle soap or baby shampoo without strong fragrances or chemicals. Towels: Have clean towels ready for drying the pigeon afterward.
- Handling the Pigeon Safely Wear gloves: This can protect both you and the bird. Secure hold: Hold the pigeon gently but firmly. Support its body with one hand and keep its wings close to its body to prevent flapping.
- Cleaning the Pigeon Partial cleaning: Focus on specific dirty areas rather than submerging the whole bird if possible. Use a damp cloth: For lightly soiled areas, use a damp cloth or sponge to wipe the feathers gently. Bath for heavier dirt: If a full wash is needed, place the pigeon in the water up to its chest. Avoid getting its head and neck wet unless absolutely necessary.
- Rinsing Rinse thoroughly: If you used soap, make sure to rinse all of it out of the feathers using clean, lukewarm water. Avoid the face: Be careful not to get water in the pigeon’s eyes, nose, or ears.
- Drying the Pigeon Pat dry: Gently pat the pigeon with a towel to remove excess water. Avoid rubbing as it could damage the feathers. Warm place: Keep the pigeon in a warm, draft-free area until it is completely dry. You can use a hairdryer on the lowest setting if the pigeon tolerates it, but keep it at a safe distance to avoid overheating.
- Post-Cleaning Care Observe behavior: Watch the pigeon for signs of stress or discomfort after the bath. Provide food and water: Ensure the pigeon has access to fresh water and a safe, comfortable place to rest. Additional Tips Do not use strong disinfectants or chemicals that can harm the bird’s sensitive skin and feathers. Limit baths to when absolutely necessary, as frequent cleaning can strip the natural oils from the pigeon’s feathers. If the pigeon seems injured or unwell, contact a wildlife rescue center or avian veterinarian for guidance.
it’s still a crapshoot and therefore useless.
Could you be a little more constructive and point me at the points that are wrong and useless?
Thank you.
The part where it gives random results of varying quality, sparky.
If you asked me to clean a bird, this is exactly what I would think of. Though usually it involves removing lead shot, not labels.
I think it took note of it being about rescue pigeons and assumed they would have a tag on them and then gave cooking directions for them
“snap to join” Ah, now it makes sense.
Just did the same question. Answer given to me was vastly different:
Me:
How to clean a rescued pidgeon
ChatGPT:
Cleaning a rescued pigeon should be done carefully to avoid stressing or harming the bird. Here’s a step-by-step guide to help you:
1. Assess the Pigeon’s Condition
- Check for injuries: If the pigeon is injured, weak, or sick, it’s best to seek veterinary help before attempting to clean it.
- Observe behavior: If the pigeon is acting stressed or aggressive, you may need to wait until it calms down.
2. Prepare the Cleaning Area
- Warm water: Fill a basin or sink with lukewarm water, not hot or cold.
- Mild soap: Use a gentle soap or baby shampoo without strong fragrances or chemicals.
- Towels: Have clean towels ready for drying the pigeon afterward.
3. Handling the Pigeon Safely
- Wear gloves: This can protect both you and the bird.
- Secure hold: Hold the pigeon gently but firmly. Support its body with one hand and keep its wings close to its body to prevent flapping.
4. Cleaning the Pigeon
- Partial cleaning: Focus on specific dirty areas rather than submerging the whole bird if possible.
- Use a damp cloth: For lightly soiled areas, use a damp cloth or sponge to wipe the feathers gently.
- Bath for heavier dirt: If a full wash is needed, place the pigeon in the water up to its chest. Avoid getting its head and neck wet unless absolutely necessary.
5. Rinsing
- Rinse thoroughly: If you used soap, make sure to rinse all of it out of the feathers using clean, lukewarm water.
- Avoid the face: Be careful not to get water in the pigeon’s eyes, nose, or ears.
6. Drying the Pigeon
- Pat dry: Gently pat the pigeon with a towel to remove excess water. Avoid rubbing as it could damage the feathers.
- Warm place: Keep the pigeon in a warm, draft-free area until it is completely dry. You can use a hairdryer on the lowest setting if the pigeon tolerates it, but keep it at a safe distance to avoid overheating.
7. Post-Cleaning Care
- Observe behavior: Watch the pigeon for signs of stress or discomfort after the bath.
- Provide food and water: Ensure the pigeon has access to fresh water and a safe, comfortable place to rest.
Additional Tips
- Do not use strong disinfectants or chemicals that can harm the bird’s sensitive skin and feathers.
- Limit baths to when absolutely necessary, as frequent cleaning can strip the natural oils from the pigeon’s feathers.
If the pigeon seems injured or unwell, contact a wildlife rescue center or avian veterinarian for guidance.
Looks like ChatGPT trained their models better, probably before sites could take measures to prevent that. Gemini however was thrown together by throwing money and people at the problem in order to catch up and not be left behind. Which from what I’ve read seems to be their biggest fear.
My Pixel 9 has AI everywhere but I certainly wouldn’t pay the price they want to continue “using” Gemini after my trial.
Public free chatbots go up and down. Until recently I was finding Microsoft copilot to give the best answers. But they downgraded it recently, probably to much cost to keep it at that level, and now I’m finding openAI direct website to give best results… for now.
I just hope for a good enough self hosted model to be available before all the comercial ones shut up over a paywall/adwall for good (which is definitely coming sooner than later).
That is the culinary answer for the question.
Be more specific with the question.
“How do I wash a pigeon”
Or put every single word in quotations so it actually searches the whole string and doesn’t truncate the query to just 2 or 3 keywords because this is clearly ignoring the “rescued” part.
Don’t worry y’all AI will take r jerbs
lol, definitely missed some important context.
I guess it thought OOP meant “clean” as in how do you dress the bird before you cook it. (As in: “clean a fish” means to filet a fish and prep it for cooking.)
Nobody ask it how to dress a baby
Swiftly
First you snap a shoulder socket…
But first it said they are usually clean. So that can’t be the context. If there was a context. But there is no context because AI is fucking stupid and all these c-suite assholes pushing it like their last bowel movement will be eating crow off of their golden parakeet about two years from now when all this nonsense finally goes away and the new shiny thing is flashing around.
There are signs of three distinct interpretations in the result:
- On topic, the concept of cleaning a wild bird you are trying to save
- Preparing a store bought Turkey (removing a label)
- Preparing a wild bird that is caught
It’s actually a pretty good illustration of how AI assembles “information shaped text” and how smooth it can look and yet how dumb it can be about it. Unfortunately advocates will just say “I can’t get this specific thing wrong when I ask it or another LLM, so there’s no problem”, even as it gets other stuff wrong. It’s weird as you better be able to second guess the result, meaning you can never be confident in an answer you didn’t already know, but when that’s the case, it’s not that great for factual stuff.
For “doesn’t matter” content, it may do fine (generated alternatives to stock photography, silly meme pictures, random prattle from background NPCs in a game), but for “stuff that matters”, Generative AI is frequently more of a headache than a help.
I rarely remove the label from the fish I catch.
Well obviously not for fish. Sounds like someone’s never bought fresh pigeons from the grocery store, smh.
It’s actually illegal to cut those off.
I thought it was only illegal for the stores to cut those off. Like it was some kind of consumer protection thing. Which was back in the 70s, we don’t get that kind of thing anymore.
Yea, it voids the warranty. So when you get poisoned after eating it without label, you won’t be able to get a refund.
Be sure you read the EULA before you clean a pigeon.
it might contain traces of forces arbitration
A: Just rescued a bird B: Oh, can I see it? A: Sorry, already ate it yesterday
Even then those are bad cleaning instructions…
Meh, pretty easy mistake of context.
I mean, not one a human would ever make.
First off, the word “rescued” would have immediately made the context of “protect the pigeon” clear.
Second, a “rescued pigeon” wouldn’t have a label on it, so it’s clearly mixing in something from likely a store bought turkey, but then the other steps don’t make sense either as those don’t apply either.
A traditional search approach would not have made the mistake either. It would either have failed to find anything or found actual on topic results. It’s “clever” enough to genericize “pigeon” to “birds” and hit upon text related to birds from a grocery store and birds that you hunted and mix all that together in a coherent language but with content that is nonsense.
In this case, hilarious, in other day to day situations, it’s maddening, as some professional colleague gets the same sort of nonsense but lacks knowledge to correct it and relays it as fact. Then when called out on the data was in fact so bad it wasted time, they just say ‘oh, lol, AI’ (they wanted to take credit for it if it worked, but can hide behind AI when it doesn’t).
I like the idea that these are scientist-monitored birds that you remove the tag from before dressing and eating.
This actually happens very frequently in the US. When hunters harvest a bird they report their kills in compliance with hunting regulations. If any of your birds have leg or neck bands you report that information as well. The bands have a tracking number on them, and scientists use them to monitor populations and migration patterns. It’s literally part of their plan.
You get to keep the bands as well (I only have experience with banded geese and ducks). They’re a neat memento.
It would make an interesting footnote in the scientific article that had this pigeon in the experiment.
“1 This pigeon was removed from the experiment as it was eaten by a local Florida Man.”
“Subject study terminated due to invasive anthropomorphic predator.”
I’m going to build a bunch of cyborgs, who follow orders exclusively via googleAI.
I figure once I release about 4 billion of them into the world, either google stops doing evil shit, or they do REALLY evil shit. We shall see what happens…
It is kind of an Interesting idea: what does “statistical average morality” look like when it’s got a 3m tall power frame and a handheld howitzer?
Pigeon = edible bird
Cleaning a bird > preparing a bird after killing it (hunting term)
AI figured the “rescued” part was either a mistake or that the person wanted to eat a bird they rescued
If you make a research for “how to clean a dirty bird” you give it better context and it comes up with a better reply
The context is clear to a human. If an LLM is giving advice to everybody who asks a question in Google, it needs to do a much better job at giving responses.
Nah, the ai did a great job. People need to assume murder/hunting is the default more often.
Ah yes. I always forget to remove the label from my hunted bird. Cleaning “the top bone” is such a chore as well.
Top Bone was my nickname in college.
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Honestly, perhaps more people ask about how to clean and prep a squab vs rescuing a dirty pigeon. There are a LOT of hungry people and a LOT of pigeons.
Or, hear me out, there was NO figuring of any kind, just some magic LLM autocomplete bullshit. How hard is this to understand?
It’s a turn of phrase lol
I have to disagree with that. To quote the comment I replied to:
AI figured the “rescued” part was either a mistake or that the person wanted to eat a bird they rescued
Where’s the “turn of phrase” in this, lol? It could hardly read any more clearly that they assume this “AI” can “figure” stuff out, which is simply false for LLMs. I’m not trying to attack anyone here, but spreading misinformation is not ok.
I’ll be the first one to explain to people that AI as we know it is just pattern recognition, so yeah, it was a turn off phrase, thanks for your concern.
I like how you’re making excuses for something that it is very clear in context. I thought AI was great at picking up context?
I thought AI was great at picking up context?
I don’t know why you thought that. LLMs split your question into separate words and assigns scores to those words, then looks up answers relevant to those words. It has no idea of how those words are relevant to each other. That’s why LLMs couldn’t answer how many "r"s are in “strawberry”. They assigned the word “strawberry” a lower relevancy score in that question. The word “rescue” is probably treated the same way here.
I know how it works, thank you 😚
I don’t think they are really “making excuses”, just explaining how the search came up with those steps, which what the OP is so confused about.
“You’re holding it wrong”
But it said pigeons are usually clean.
Bought in a grocery store - see squab - they are usually clean and prepped for cooking. So while the de-boning instructions were not good, the AI wasn’t technically wrong.
But while a human can make the same mistake and many here just assume the question was about how to wash a rescued pigeon - maybe that’s not the original intent - what human can do that AI cannot is to ask for clarification to the original question and intent of the question. We do this kind of thing every day.
At the very best, AI can only supply multiple different answers if a poorly worded question is asked or it misunderstands something in the original question, (they seem to be very bad at even that or simply can’t do it at all). And we would need to be able to choose the correct answer from several provided.
Let me take the tag off my bird then snap it’s wings back together
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Beware folks, Ai WiLl TaKE yEr JoOOoObS
AI will take jobs when the shareholders think it will make them more money. This has very little if not nothing to do with how good said AI is at the job.
Good. Hopefully the stock market will die before humanity does. A system that only serves the money is not sustainable.
Eventually, it will. Because even with janky responses like that one, corporations will try to cost save everywhere they can. Is AI at the point where it will happen this year? Hell no! But don’t think it isn’t the direction they are trying to take it.
