Are people actually against libraries dying? What the hell is this deluded take?
Libraries provide a host of public services beyond “warehouse for books”. A big part of our digital archives come from library digitization programs. And knowing how to sort, store, and distribute this information is a vital piece of library science.
Losing libraries means losing the tools we use to organize information on a national scale.
yes. Personally, i use libraries because I cannot afford buying a book (mostly programming) and I don’t like split screen and can’t afford another monitor. I have used the library here in Toronto so many times they know me by name now at two branches.
Killing libraries is not about saving money, it’s about restricting knowledge. Beware the leader that doesn’t want the people to read.
If the city cares about aaving money theu would be buying useless military hardware for the NYPD. Tokyo, Seoul, Jakarta, and Osaka all do fine without blowing massive amounts if the municipal budget on military gear for their police departments. The NYPD "officially’ had a 2022 budget over $5billion with aroind 36,000 officers. That’s comparable to the entire military budget of Romania. Hell, the NYPD has field offices in 6 foreign countries.
So you’re telling me that if we just started grinding cops into a fine powder we’d not only save on their salaries and benefits, we’d also save on the amount of equipment they need and could fund things like libraries and social safety nets? And that we could sell that fine powder for uses such as food for heads, surgery, delousing, cosmetics, bomb disposal, firepower, and head transplants and fund even more things?
I’m not saying we should be grinding cops into a fine powder. I’m saying let’s take a look at where we could save more money while helping more people.
Torgo’s Police Powder is certainly not a thing we should turn those fucking pigs into. No sir. And if someone tries laying this at my feet I’ll deny it.
You’ll have to spend some of those savings on industrial dehydrators though. It can be very difficult to get the texture of the powder right when you start grinding all willy nilly.
This is why you freeze dry them first and use a burr grinder.
The trick is to license private companies to produce the powder. You still get the budget savings, and you get reasonable license fees from the private companies, but you offload the risk of having to invest in the industrial dehydrators.
I know this is a joke, but reading that line of thoughts triggered me.
Lay em out in West Texas and they’ll be good as dust in two shakes of a fat lambs tail. Just don’t let the coyotes get to em. Or don’t. Whatever. I’m not a cop.
If the city cared about saving money they would not spend millions of dollars to recover tens of thousands of dollars lost to turnstile hopping.
I mean, I dunno, ACAB and fuck tha police and all that jazz, but 5 bil for 36k is 138k/each, and that’s not too unreasonably bad for NYC cost of living vs the inherent danger and work regime of the job as a police officer in such a populous city.
They’ve got 55 police per 10,000 residents. That’s more than twice as many as LA per capita with a 3% decrease in violent crime per capita. That tells me we could, but definitely shouldn’t, grind up one fifth of them into a fine powder freeing up a whole bunch of money in the budget. NYC does seem to have a significantly smaller property crime rate than the national average but that number is suspect. How much of that is them just not dealing with property crime and not filing the paperwork?
And that $5b? That’s not their whole budget, that’s their personnel budget. Total budget for FY2025 is closer to $11.9b/yr. Their salary is closer to 80k/yr/officer on average.
Can… can you run for governor of Texas? Grinding up 1/5 of our police force is 1000x the platform Abbott is rolling on.
Note: no harm meant to differently abled people. I just hate Abbott, among a litany of other reasons, in that he got paralyzed by a neighbors tree limb falling on him, sued his neighbor for 10 million dollars, got elected, then helped pass legislation to make sure none of us Texan’s could ever sue for that amount again. Max is now 250k per person, up to 3 people can sue one asshole, so max 750k for non medical suits. Even fully limiting the types of suits that can be brought. The epitome of “Fuck you, I got mine!”
They won’t have me, friend. I can stand on a stage and sound like a Pentecostal preacher. I’m not inbred but I dress like I am. With exactly the right amount of alcohol I’m pretty likable (too little and I’m weird, too much and I’m over the top, and the difference is razor thin). And there’s pictures of me at a whole bunch of Pride events and taco trucks. I support the gays and the immigrants.
It’s an uphill battle that I’m not prepared for, don’t really have time for, and have no desire to get into. But we’ve got 2 years to find someone who hasn’t said “Hell, yes, we’re going to take your AR-15, your AK-47”. There are a lot of single issue firearm voters in Texas, as stupid as that is. I like Beto but pragmatically there’s no way back from that statement here at this time.
There may be enough cop hate here to run on a platform of grinding 1/5th of them into a fine powder. Even the staunchly red area I come from hates the cops, who are at best thought of as meddling piles of shit.
and they hire pretty much any joe schmo off the street to be a cop. I’ve seen NYPD officers and good lord they make Uvalde cops look like navy seals.
Can’t they just sell one of those sound-weapon equipped tanks from the NYPD to cover the entire library budget?
The fascists don’t want to. They love weapons and hate books.
Can’t we just fill the libraries with more books about weapons to increase the funding? 🤔
Sell it to whom? They’re the only buyers.
Idk, Uvalde police might need it to cover up childrens’ screaming next time.
Why do that when the news will do it for you?
FUCK that got dark. Christ, I gotta go find religion after that one
check public schools for that, now.
Sell it to the library? Wait.
I mean, I’m more okay with heavily arming librarians than heavily arming cops I guess?
I’d watch that show
The Librarians?
I don’t remember Eve being heavily armed, if we could give her the gun Vasquez from aliens had, I’d be a happy camper.
Pretty sure the only guns Eve carried were her own biceps but she’d make use of anything available. Flynn and Jenkins have both wielded Excalibur. Ezekiel would rather use evasion but has been known to steal a weapon. Mild-mannered historian Jacob knows how to use weapons of any age and besides we all know him from Leverage. Cassandra has non-weapon skills but she’s been known to bonk a baddie on the back of the noggin.
I’d play the game. Play as a librarian in a library under siege by cops. Traps activated by pulling the right books.
Yes, but they don’t want to.
You don’t understand though, that’s millions we could throw at building another stadium for a private individual to own and profit off of!
It’s the same with the federal budget and NASA. It pisses me off to no end to see the only x-ray telescope we have get the axe so we can throw fucking Raytheon more money to bomb Palestinians.
DON’T YOU CARE ABOUT THE POOR BILLIONAIRES!?
It’s shocking to see the assault on libraries across Appalachia. Sad to see it’s a broader problem. For as little finding as they require they provide critical services. So many nasty politicos trying to win some points with the lowest common denominators of humanity must see them as an easy target.
It’s happening in Oregon too. An attack on education.
I always only see this, when i encounter that image:
Sorry for the distraction.
Adams sucks and it’s embarrassing that people here elected him.
It’s hysterical to hear right-wing commentary about how New York Democrats are socialist Marxist communist hippies when the reality has much more goose-stepping to it.
He won by 7k votes in an election with 21% registered voter turnout.
He won not by broad appeal but rather by apathy - his voters were engaged by fear mongering bait plastered on every news outlet about “crime” so they elected a goose stepping cop.
Yeah we really don’t like him. Was super bummed he won.
Election is next year
Might vote for brad lander
This is incredibly sad. Dammit.
Eric Adams is a fucking piece of shit.
It was wild to see, but New Yorkers seem to love picking the guy who promises to be the biggest asshole to homeless people.
I had the homelessness situation described to me yesterday as such: When people see homelessness, they equate it to crime. But when people think of crime, they think of violent robberies and murders. This makes those people view the homeless only through a lense of prosecution. And this view and subsequent treatment only exacerbates the problem.
As the cousin of a NY public librarian, fuck mayor Adams, but for so many more reasons than this.
Stop voting cops in as mayor’s, because at the end of the day they’re still just corrupt cops.
The picture included makes me think we should challenge the mayor’s hotshot skier son to a race down Triple Diamond run, and if we win the library will be saved for us punk kids to use on Sundays.
I asked nypl to let me pay for a library card. they won’t issue. they will issue if I walk into a branch, but it’s a temporary card unless I can prove residency.
I don’t think they should have their budget cut but I would pay a subscription fee to access it from out-of-state.
Good! How else are we supposed to fund POLICE OFFICERS who get to PICK and CHOOSE what crimes or people to Investigate if we don’t defund School and Libraries?
why is it called ‘new york public library’ if it only serves downstate new york
that is less than half the state, I live in new york and there are no new york public library locations near me
are you really going to let us be beaten by new jersey? new jersey?
disclaimer
I have a public library 5 minutes away, (though I guess not a ‘new york public library’) this comment was made mostly for the funny and more importantly to shit on new jersey
this comment was written after staying awake over 30 hours and I am (very faintly) hallucinating the factorio express belts moving on my screen
Because it’s the public library system for the City of New York.
ah I probably should have realized that when writing the comment
As a general rule of thumb, “New York” refers to the city, unless otherwise specified such as “New York State”, or in a list/map that’s obviously only listing/labeling states.
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Seriously, have you considered that the same ideology that strive to choke public libraries, also the one that push people to homelessness? (At least unsheltered homelessness)
Libraries are the last bastion of indoor public spaces. If you have a problem with people experiencing homelessness, do something about it. Don’t complain about the one remaining place that welcomes all people.
“I hate seeing homeless people trying to cope with being homeless”
ok so do something about it, vote for people who will fix it, donate money to places that will help, volunteer at food banks, community centres, soup kitchens, be the change you want to see.
you: no, I prefer to complain
you’re part of the problem.
“then idk what to do.”
good lord you’re an idiot. and the terrifying thing is you procreated.
Yeah, you shouldn’t see homeless people. no one should!
(/s)
I mean, this but unironically? No one should be seeing homeless people because they shouldn’t be homeless.
But they do exist, something systematic must be changed for then not to exist. (Public housing, maybe?)
But until than, what?
There’s maybe two problems with this:
- public housing is a part of the picture, and so are public libraries. The solution is certainly not to cut library spending just because there are homeless people using it
- Thinking there being homeless people around is an issue that needs solving is itself pretty bigoted. Like, maybe you have a problem with people who haven’t showered for a while? or people who use the library for personal activities because there are no better places for them to do them? But ‘these people are a problem’ itself becomes problematic because you’ve consolidated those qualities you find objectionable into a class of person, and that makes it really easy to forget/misplace/dismiss the humanity those people deserve.
It’s a common attitude, so don’t feel like i’m picking you out personally to scold. More people should be aware of how that attitude dehumanizes people experiencing shelter insecurity.
you can ease it by volunteering. That’s what I do. I volunteer with my local community center and food bank. I mean it’s something instead of nothing.
Until that point in time people have to accept that there will be people living on the streets, they will be drinking, they will be doing drugs to cope with living on the streets and nothing will change until people stop complaining and attempt to make said change.
Not one of the responses to your comment seem to actually address the issue.
As usual, lemmy users are too busy trying to prove that they’re way holier than thou and forget they live in the real world, not the idealized ones they make up in their overly politicized fantasies.
People not feeling safe due to homelessness at a library will not be using a library, they will not see value in the library because it’s not a place they would go to. They also likely won’t care about them enough to make additional funding a major concern for them.
If you want to procure more funding for a library, it needs to be a place people see value in.
You can work to solve homelessness and also improve safety of libraries, demonizing someone for not wanting to go somewhere because they’re uncomfortable and feel unsafe is not helping support your issue.
