Which one of those is this?

Lmao

“Knowingly participating in an active genocide and expanding regional war is like having ‘a callus on your big toe’” and other utterances of the truly deranged

It’s so heartening that Democrats and Republicans have been able to set aside their differences and stopped their cycle of oversight investigations this one time where a crime has apparently actually happened

Getting real Collin Powell and GWB vibes from Blinken and Biden, these days.

No, she said “both sides have problems”

Maybe check your audio?

Because apparently some of us only eat peanut butter and never chew anything solid

You picking fights under every top-level comment in this thread, huh?

I don’t think the sarcasm registered in this crowd

What I find a little amusing was that ‘weird’ was supposed to be this genius way to deflate trump’s ego by not taking him too seriously and without sensationalizing all the fascist stuff he says, but this application seems to be doing the opposite - sensationalizing a pretty innocuous dig and making it into something more serious

Guys, the joke is that Harris has not agreed to debate her, and they are suing to remove her from ballots

That’s the whole joke

A majority of americans (sic) support halting arms shipments to Israel.

…except it didn’t. It said 52% +/- 3.5%, based on a survey of 1000 people, support halting arms shipments to Israel until attacks on Gaza stop. That is within the margin of error, and could be as low at 49%. And a whole 21%, again +/- 3.5%, aren’t sure if we should halt weapons shipments to Gaza and 27%, again +/- 3.5%, suggest we should maintain support for Israel.

Lmao, idk what to tell you that’s a majority, according to the poll. Margins of error and samples or respondents are… well that’s just how polls work. If you’re simply worried about losing votes, then you could even include those that are ‘unsure’, or some portion thereof, since if the democrats actually made the case against continuing to support an active genocide, a good portion of those ‘unsure’ would likely see reason.

Since my point was that we’d only need to turn off 50% of Jews to lose far more votes than we gain from this poster and its ilk, it dishonestly blows this bullshit in our face, ignoring my point altogether, and then gets all offended and shit over pronouns.

And my point is that it isn’t just Stein voters (which very well may outnumber registration numbers and previous election numbers given the intense dissatisfaction with the democratic gaza policy, among others) democrats need to worry about - there are also Undecided voters and voters who will decide not to vote at all. That, and you’re assuming that Jewish Americans will decide that Trump is better, not just that they disagree with that particular policy.

And, again, all of this is a digression over whether continued support for Israel’s genocide is even defensible, a perspective with which I very much disagree with. Electoralist rhetoric has this unfortunate tendency to deflect debate away from actual policy decisions and supplant it with whatever policies win you the election. I think you know continued unconditioned military aid to Israel is indefensible, but it’s far easier to ‘whatabout’ the other guy.

1. More bullshit accusing Dems of catering to Fascists

This you?

This poster wants you to believe that what Harris is doing to cater to the middle makes her equivalent to Trump. It does not. She’s trying to bring everyone to the table, and believes that not screaming to the high hills how Left she is is the best way to make Trump fail again in 2024. I do think she should go more like “Hey, Moderate Republicans. Thanks for your vote. Please, stay during this election, but after the Election is over, go back and fix your party. [LMAO at this] We’re not going to become Republican Lite over here for you. You need to fix your party so America can have two choices again,” but I won’t hold it against her if she doesn’t do that.

The people you call “Moderate Republicans” - the ones that you say Harris is ‘reaching out to’ - I consider to be fascistic. They’re the ones who think immigrants are jumping the boarder and bringing drugs and weapons, and they’re the ones who Harris is appealing to by supporting greater asylum restrictions and funding for more border agents. They’re the ones who think sexuality is binary and that gender should be enforced in public, the ones who might get spooked if Harris publically defended trans rights.

What you call ‘screaming to the hills about how Left she is’, I think is basic humanitarianism. Avoiding the defense of trans rights is conceding that they are even up for debate to begin with.

You kind of need to worry about your own home before you start worrying about the homes across the street, unfortunately.

Why am I not surprised to see this conservative idiom in your comment?

I’m just done with the nonsense being spewed on Lemmy by people who seem to be all to eager to do the same kind of ‘blow up every molehill into a mountain’ that confirmed Russian Troll Farms did with Clinton in 2016 and end us up with another 4 years of Trump.

Lmao, Clinton lost because she arrogantly believed she didn’t need to address progressive concerns, just like Harris is doing now. She and her supporters derided them as “Bernie Bros”. She didn’t lose because of russian interference, she lost because she was a fundamentally bad candidate.

I happen to be tired of the liberal bullshit being spewed here, personally. I think there’s precious little pushback, in part because .world has actively defederated from everyone to the left of them. If you find .world’s politics intolerable, you should really try spending time in an instance that hasn’t gone as far out of their way to avoid leftist perspectives.

This poster is demanding I show respect, here on the internet, where the Men are Men, the Women are Women, and the Children are FBI agents, while it and its ilk treat the rest of us like children at best and shit at worst. This poster bitches about the fact that I don’t see fit to refer to it as a person. Well, I’ve been told in no uncertain terms I can’t call these posters out as the way I want to, so this is the best they’re going to get.

Lmao, is this, like, a copypasta? I mean I would be more upset by this, if it weren’t for the fact that you’ve had other comments removed that start almost word-for-word like this… The lady doth protest too much, methinks

You actually remind me of another user here that was repeatedly banned for constantly accusing other users of being russian trolls, even going so far as to follow them around and link them into unrelated threads to pester them for proof they weren’t trolls. I would never say you were that user’s soc account, but holy fuck do you share a similar fervor for that obsession. It might be time to log off and touch some grass, bud.

It is so far opposed to reality that I just can’t have a discussion with this poster if it believes this nonsense.

My pronouns are very publicly displayed in my displayname, you can fuck off with your intentional dehumanization. It seems like you’re going out of your way to not accuse me of illegitimacy directly, but you sure as hell seem content to imply I’m a russian asset, a bot, or both. While I appreciate your intentional avoidance of accusing me of those things to my face (not for a lack of clearly wishing you could without getting moderated), I’d appreciate it even more if you could resist the urge to speak to me/about me in the third person and refer to me as ‘it’.

If you think this poster is on the right course, you’re as lost as it is, and you’re doing Putin’s dirty work for him. We can and do criticize Team Blue here, but there’s a difference between saying Dems aren’t liberal enough for some of our tastes and saying Dems are just as Fascist as the Republicans. I call that bullshit out here, and invite you to reconsider if you buy this bullshit or not.

There’s a lot of accusations in this response, and I’m not willing to sift through them all individually, but I think I can easily address this one.

I’m not accusing the democrats of being ‘the same’ or ‘as bad’ as republicans. I’m not even accusing them of being fascist generally. What I am accusing them of is entertaining the fascistic and xenophobic fears of fascists in order to appease them. Of course this is a campaign strategy to beat Trump - that is not my objection. My point is that Trump is simply a symptom of a far deeper fascistic impulse that is growing within the American electorate, and affirming those anxieties (while abandoning any defense of minorities actively under threat, including Trans and Muslim Americans in order to ‘not alienate’ ““moderate”” voters (i feel gross even writing that in double scarequotes)) only fans those flames of fascism.

If you’re only concern is winning a single election against a loud and obnoxious fascist bafoon, go ahead and turn a blind-eye to the rhetoric the democrats are using in order to appease those “”“”“moderate”“”“” voters. But if you’re at all concerned about the growing fascist movement in the US, you would be wise to acknowledge concerning trend of democrats ceding political and rhetorical ground to the right. Legitimizing fascist fears and welcoming them into the democratic party isn’t going to help drive them away, and only a fool would think so.

PS: I’m glad to see that it seems like /r/politics on Reddit and most other forums on the Internet

Huh, what a strange place/moment to drop an advertisement for reddit. If you’re not a fan of federated social media, then you are more than welcome to fuck off back to Reddit.

edit: is this the reddit you think is so much better moderated and free from bots lol?

The threat of political violence will increase if he loses, too.

Wait so she is just using a consultancy firm that has previously worked with republicans? Is that the story here?

The only reason Jill Stein has a chance to spoil this election is because we’ve got a large and rabid minority of voters who actually like what Trump is serving. If Trump were down 10 points in the Swing State polls, Jill Stein’s 1% wouldn’t matter. If Harris had 270 EVs worth of locked in states, Stein could take double digit vote counts in places like Oklahoma and California and still be a non-factor. But in this closely divided of an election, with the political system the USA has, your purity crusade will result in possibly the last election you ever get to vote in, and at minimum, 4 years of policy that will utterly destroy every priority you have.

And that means Harris must campaign to those voters and affirm their most wildly fascist opinions about minorities and immigrants?

What kills me is that I would be happy to discuss the ways in which MAGA actually does pose a danger to the republic, if not for the fact that Liberals will use it as a point of comparison for just how fascist of a candidate they themselves would still be willing to vote for, as if the act of voting is some twisted real-life game of “would you rather”.

According to this article, there are somewhere around 3.6 million Jews nation-wide who vote for Democrats. In 2016, only 1.4 million people nation-wide voted for Jill Stein. If you only turned off half the Jewish vote while capturing every Stein voter there is, you’d still have a net negative, and I’m absolutely sure AIPAC would go apeshit over this (and they support Republicans too), and Stein voters would just find another reason they couldn’t possibly vote for the Democrats.

A majority of americans support halting arms shipments to Israel. Harris would lose a lot fewer votes than you’re suggesting (especially while Trump is currently torpedoing his own campaign with antisemetic ramblings and accosiating himself with known neo-nazis), and would gain more than the Green votes you’re suggesting (because a lot of people will simply stay home rather than vote green because they feel completely disenfranchised by both parties). But setting the electoral math aside for a second: eligibility odds aren’t a valid defense of being complicit in the most public international genocide in recent memory.

So, if you are really dumb enough to think a protest vote is a good idea, know that your meaningless protest will cost LGBTQ and minorities and non-Christians and women HERE in this country dearly, while doing absolutely nothing to help the Palestinians

The democrats are already ceding ground to anti-LGBTQ and minority movements. Harris is already running on anti-immigrant and anti-asylum policy, she is already turning away from protecting LGBTQ rights in red states across the country, she is already fanning the flames of anti-Muslim sentiment. In pursuit of defeating a loud and obnoxious fascist, Liberals are actively affirming those fascist fears while abandoning minority and working class protections. They are proudly advertising themselves as the more pleasant fascists, the steady hand that will provide order to those who are afraid that immigrants are bringing drugs and weapons across the boarder to kill their children.

No, I do not believe that any of the groups you mentioned would be ‘safe’ with Harris in the white house, and I don’t think those fascist fears and violence will suddenly go away if we lightly affirm their legitimacy.

They have not conditioned their lethal aid on anything, despite the fact that US law prohibits the sale or transfer of weapons to states engaged in war crimes. Even though it’s literally illegal for them to be sending them weapons still, they refuse to even suggest that stopping arms transfers is on the table. That’s a far cry from ‘working for a ceasefire’.

they would lose 10 times more votes than the number of people who are voting for Jill Stein because she’s being critical of them for “unconditional support of Israel’s genocide”.

A majority of Americans Say Biden Should Halt Weapons Shipments to Israel

Regardless, if a majority, or even an electorally-important minority of Americans wanted to nuke Iran, it would still be morally abhorrent to defend doing so simply because “if we don’t, the other guy will do it himself”. Americans love to pretend like they would have been anti-fascist rebels if they had lived in Nazi germany, but this is exactly how the Nazis were able to take power in the first place. Liberal moderates, desperate to hold on to power - or, more charitably, limit the power of fascists - will concede all but the most immediately tangible of human atrocities to fascists. They will happily hide behind their privilege and sacrifice the subjects of the fascists’ violence just so that they can remain at the table now completely taken over by fascists and fascist enablers.

Democrats don’t have to simply fall in line with what “”“”“the majority”“”“” of voters want; in fact, they themselves have been actively messaging and defending the very support you’re arguing they are powerless to resist. They were the ones making the case for continued support for Israel. They could be making the case that Israel must be brought to bear for their crimes, or at least sanctioned/embargoed until their hostilities and escalations stop. But they don’t - because they know that the US’s interests lie in ignoring the war crimes that Israel is committing. Without Israel, the US would lose influence in the ME, and by extension risk being cut off from the abundant resources that exist there to the waxing multi-polar influences that are building in the east.

Leftists don’t simply oppose the sale of arms to Israel simply because they’re committing genocide with them; we oppose the strategic imperialist asset Israel itself represents.

Then you deserve to lose all of the rights that get taken away if and when Trump wins.

Oops, your mask slipped a little there, friend.

oops, you left out this part:

However, it has not given details on the locations and circumstances, saying only that they were “martyred on the road to Jerusalem" - a phrase it has been using to refer to fighters killed by Israel.

Not to mention that the article does not say that the health ministry is getting their victim numbers from hezbollah, and why would they? They are their own agency, they’re capable of gathering their own metrics from their own hospitals.

Also, even if you were right about where the numbers are coming from, that article still says that half of the casualties were civilian non-combatants.

Lol, uh, no It doesn’t

Thanks for playing though

What the fuck are you smoking