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It’s not news. My personal date for the start of dictatorship in the United Stated is March 14, 2025: that’s the first instance of Trump and his henchmen disobeying a court decision.
I think it was earlier, when the supreme Court ruled that the president could do what he wanted as long as it was part of his duties and THEY get to decide what is part of his duties.
Yes I did say duty. Grow up.
Mans be getting his duties all over the constitution
Thank you for this because I wasn’t serious about growing up. Never grow up!
Imagine not being able to distinguish between the words duty and doody.
- The English Gang
Well I couldn’t write doody, it wouldn’t make sense written. Plus I kind of think the kind of people that laugh at the word doodie, may NOT know the difference. Anyway, don’t rain on my parade. Trying to lighten the mood.
Apologies for raining on your parade, I was just engaging in a bit of transatlantic ribbing.
(We also don’t use the word doody/doodie, so I don’t know what it looks like written.)
Copy that! My friends will attest to the fact that I deserve ribbing, transatlantic or otherwise. It might as well be you.
IMO it’s the day he took power the second time.
As he said plainly, “I’ll be a dictator from day one”. And then millions of Americans looked at his record, looked at all the crimes he’d been found guilty of, considered his promise, and voted for him anyway.
Real Darwin Award shit.
What amazes me is that no one says he cheated to win like he did the first time. I would be very surprised if we couldn’t find some trace years later that we didn’t notice.
It’s just kind of a pointless thing to be mad about at this point, but it was definitely talked about.
I think in the first run it was discussed more frequently. That’s all.
There was that whole thing with Elon Musk and those “vote counting computers” in Pennsylvania.
That’s because MAGA claimed Biden cheated for so long and so loudly that people were tired of hearing it and wanted to show they were better than the MAGAs.
As always they accused their opponent of what they were going to do themselves, and it continues to work for them.
I would trace it back to September 11, 2001 at least. Specifically, the highly authoritarian response to that. There’s a direct line from what the US government started doing then to what they’re doing now.
Yes indeed. Bin Laden can be proud, the terrorists won
That’s only because you haven’t been paying attention. The US has been on this path for decades.
1832 called and wants to remind you of Worcester v. Georgia. https://www.britannica.com/topic/Worcester-v-Georgia
My date is 2014 when a Princeton study concluded that the USA is not a democracy, but an oligarchy.
They decided to wait and see if Trump won, and if Homan then accepted bribes. It would be a much more airtight case. So the Biden people handed the investigation off to the Trump people, no doubt holding out the vain hope that the career people would persuade the political people that someone taking a bag of cash was something that ought to be investigated.
The fucking ineptitude of the Liberal elites never ceases to amaze me.
They’re not inept, they’re corrupt
Little bit of column A, little bit of column B
The reality is that the democrats would much rather have a fascist dictatorship, than work in the interest of the people. The answer to “why?” has always, and will always be “money”. They sold out the american people to fascists, because openly taking bribes is more important than the lives of minorities.
The democrats have held a trifecta of power twice in the past 15 years, and both times they have managed to do absolutely fuck all. Why? Because they weren’t paid to actually do any of the things they promised their voters. They just used those talking points because people would vote for them.
More specifically, because they need to maintain the capitalist status quo that they sincerely believe in (it works for them!), so they believe fascism to be the lesser evil. And they think they can control fascism, just like last time.
Paid To Lose
I mean, Princeton released a study over a decade that the U.S. was no longer a democracy but an oligarchy. I understand that the author means where descending into authoritarianism, but this didn’t start with Trump, and we left democracy behind a long time ago.
The timing is worse than that. The study was only released in 2014, but it used data from 1981-2002, nearly 3 decades ago.
Testing Theories of American Politics: Elites, Interest Groups, and Average Citizens | Perspectives on Politics | Cambridge Core - https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/perspectives-on-politics/article/abs/testing-theories-of-american-politics-elites-interest-groups-and-average-citizens/62327F513959D0A304D4893B382B992B
Shit, I assumed that data was relatively recent to the study’s publication. It doesn’t even cover Citizens United!
There was a time when we considered countries where women couldn’t vote as a “democracy”
The goal posts shifted. As they should.
In the 21st century, I don’t think we can call a system without rank choice voting a democracy. The US has never met modern standards of a Democracy
That eliminates pretty much the entire commonwealth except Australia, right?
I think clinging on to inherited royalty is another big point against “democracy”, no matter how vestigial.
In the 21st century, I don’t think we can call a system without rank choice voting a democracy. The US has never met modern standards of a Democracy
While I very much hope the goal posts can be shifted that far, I think we haven’t quite made it there yet
In the 21st century, I don’t think we can call a system without rank choice voting a democracy
I’m not sure you can call a country a democracy if parties are fully outlawed.
The US briefly experimented with democracy during Reconstruction but that was quickly defeated and it never happened again.
Correct. The US is now one of those shit hole countries Trump keeps talking about.
Maybe none of these 1st world nations aren’t what they say they are. Maybe they are more like farms and they have mastered the psychology to convince people not only to be the workers but also the product. Wealthy people making their product pay for itself to supply their greedy habits.
It has been a uniparty for decades.
No, it hasn’t. Both parties are not the same, and saying as such is simply pro republican propaganda
Kamala “Do Not Come” Harris
Joe “Nothing Will Fundamentally Change” Biden
Nancy “Insider Trading is Fine, Actually” Pelosi
They both serve capital first, all the rest is rhetoric to keep you frustrated and bewildered - unable to realize it. You’ll spend the rest of eternity focusing on the outrage of the week, blind to the fact that the economics of the day dictate how they steer your thought and energy. When the chips are down, none of them worry about your poor non-capital-having ass.
Yep. This is it. They are minions of money. Genocide? It’s profit. That’s why neither side cares.
Joe “We need a Republican party that is principled and strong” Biden
Democrats love the republican party. They protect them and keep them safe. thus trump remaining free, and all the previous “looking forward” bullshit that comes after the republicans get busted.
How else would democrats ever look good if they had to actually compete with a political party that wasn’t a complete clown show?
So you want me and others to vote for a fascist just because dems are bad? It doesn’t stop with voting against fascism. First you vote against it, and then you start trying the grassroots campaigns to kick out the worthless democrats, which is a lot easier when there isn’t a literal fascist.
Dems give me a lot more trains and bike paths and social services than Republicans ever will.
This might just blow your mind, but there is a way to have more then two political parties to participate in elections without a spoiler effect.
One has to wonder why the self proclaimed democracy advocates in the democratic party haven’t pushed for these critical electoral reforms in states they control.
Democrats most certainly understand the flaws in First Past the Post voting. Feel free to go to the comments on any news articles on third parties/candidates during the previous election season to see it on full display.
So why do Democrats howl and scream about 3rd parties, yet do nothing to replace First past the post voting?
Informative videos below.
Electoral Reform Videos
First Past The Post voting (What most states use now)
Videos on alternative electoral systems
This might just blow your mind, but there is a way to have more then two political parties to participate in elections without a spoiler effect.
Yes, ranked choice voting which I’ve repeatedly mentioned in this thread. Read mfer.
We don’t have that yet. We need to fight for that, and it’s harder to fight for when you’re under a fascist dictatorship.
One has to wonder why the self proclaimed democracy advocates in the democratic party haven’t pushed for these critical electoral reforms in states they control
I mean a. Depends on your area. B. Because they fuckin suck. The only reason I vote for them over republicans is because, again, not fascist.
Yeah, sure, but this math is simple enough for anyone with two cents to rub together. If youre interacting with them on a web forum about politics chances are they arent the people who need to hear it.
So, stay vigilant.
I mean, both parties are objectively crap. One of them is just more objectively crap.
Yea, and the distinction matters
It does and it doesn’t. One is a slow fall into fascism, one is jumping off a cliff into it.
Don’t get me wrong, I’ll pick the slow fall every time, but…doesn’t really make a difference in the end, does it
I’m in agreement --but I believe it’s a lot easier to fight the fall than fight them once they are in power. They in this case being Republican fascists. I don’t advocate for stopping at just voting. I encourage people to run for election and get involved with local and national politics
Wow, turns out a militaristic country that allows gay people to vote is still better than one that doesn’t! And no, they’re not the same. That comparison is apt, but bombing other countries is not the only policy that exists.
If you are fine with genocide, then as long as it does not affect you personally I doubt you care who gets any rights.
I’m not fine with genocide. I am realistic about fighting it. Fascists commit genocide, fighting fascists is good at reducing them
Fighting Fascists by voting for them?
Democrats are not fascists. Flat out.
Being able to choose between slave owners or the only other option is totally a real choice…
Both parties are not the same, but it is still a uniparty. Worst of all, it is one where the other side of the country has been conditioned for the same: choose what they believe to be the depravity and downfall of their way of life, or the only other option.
This is why in other countries we have more than two parties, and why the ones that are Heritage Foundation funded influence operations want to change this.
I don’t think you know what the word “uniparty” means
Technically, I can see where you are right, but in practice, you have one single party to choose from all the same, with a heavy cultural divided determining which party that is for you.
I would focus more criticism as to why there aren’t more than two parties in the US government than fighting over a word definition that just absconds the real problem.
The reason I’m focusing on it in this particular discussion is being it lessons the impact of understanding that it’s quite literally one not fascism, one fascism party. Pretending they’re the same hurts people’s understanding that they need to vote against fascism. My
The fight doesn’t end with voting in a dem, after you delay facism you push forward with getting read of the worse candidates in the democrats too.
This statement is so american it makes my head hurt. Two parties is the reason you don’t have a democracy, and the instant “if not then you are anti my team” response shows how dead your democracy really is. Without even the ability to have a third option you don’t have a democracy, you have a red vs blue dictatorship.
If someone won’t vote against fascism they are against me, yes. If you think that’s an American take, I’ll accept the inaccurate compliment.
Without even the ability to have a third option you don’t have a democracy, you have a red vs blue dictatorship.
I mean, literally what primaries are for, but yes, our democracy is dead. Ranked choice voting is necessary. The senate flies in the face of proper representation.
you have a red vs blue dictatorship.
You don’t know what the word dictatorship means.
If someone won’t vote against fascism they are against me, yes. If you think that’s an American take, I’ll accept the inaccurate compliment.
See that is the issue, not having a choice other then status quo or fascism is not a real choice and you doubling down on the team bullshit is just sad. Nether of the current parties should exist and in almost every other nation these parties would have been put out to pasture long ago. If you are just voting for the not fascist then you are voting for the ruling party, its not a hard concept.
I mean, literally what primaries are for, but yes, our democracy is dead. Ranked choice voting is necessary. The senate flies in the face of proper representation.
Primaries are run by the 2 parties and everyone in the world can see they are not fair and clearly fixed to some degree. We are in agreement that your democracy is dead, but I am stating that it has been dead for a long time and it’s been doing damage world wide (like a really bad weekend at Bernie’s).
You don’t know what the word dictatorship means.
A dictatorship is a form of government which is characterized by a leader, or a group of leaders, who hold absolute or near-absolute political power. Just because you have two groups take turns does not change the fact that the us is run by a group of leaders who hold near-absolute power (now with no checks or balances!).
Yes and no. The two parties are different but they’re both politically Right Wing. So cut from the same cloth but made into different outfits. They both believe at their core that a societal elite is best suited to rule but the Democrats believe in a bigger more inclusive elite than Republicans.
Fascism vs not fascism is not cut from the same cloth. Democrats are not from the same cloth as Republicans. They’re still an issue and bad. But saying they’re the same cloth? No.
They both believe at their core that a societal elite is best suited to rule but the Democrats believe in a bigger more inclusive elite than Republicans
Dems actually do things for the poors like me even if it just political posturing
Fascism vs not fascism is not cut from the same cloth
Politics is a spectrum. The farther right you go, the narrower the ruling elite. Absolutely monarchy or dictatorship is the farthest right you can go. Fascism is a flavor of that but distinct from say a monarchy that is equally far-right.
Dems actually do things for the poors like me even if it just political posturing
Sure. The parties aren’t identical. But, things like the Rachet Effect are real and destructive to the working class and the country.
Chuck Schumer allowed the big beautiful bil, which guts Medicare and social welfare, to pass without resistance; a resistance expected for a fucking opposition. That does not make the Democrats different, don’t you think? In other countries, the opposition are actually, you know, being opposition. I am amazed that Americans are made docile to pick lesser evil that only throw breadcrumbs, instead of holding their politicians accountable more fiercely, as expected in a democracy and which other countries do. What happened to the Americans that ended the Gilded age? I’m sorry but the other person is right that Americans are being frustrated and bewildered without realising it.
Okay, but you need to admit that one party was Violently Fascist while the other party was merely Controlled Opposition.
I definitely prefer the empty vistage of democracy to the vulgar dismemberment of it. So you need to admit Democrats are better. And then you need to say you voted for them. And donated. And campaigned. And proselytized on their behalf.
Otherwise, I’m going to call you a Russian bot
Democrats lived in denial that they could ride being “the lesser of two evils” forever but eventually as things got worse and worse people started becoming numb to it
Tip to writers.
Please don’t use regional persian slang for bribe when trying to sound sophisticated.
This is only news for brain-damaged americans.
Land of the $2-trillion military budget, and the biggest prison population. and in the last two years, your elected policitians sent $30 billions from your taxes to a genocidal aparthied because they represent and serve the interests of another country
Never had been
Was it a democracy when women and people of color couldn’t vote?
Was it a democracy when the two party system artificially limited your options in the voting booth?
I don’t think it was ever a democracy.
Was it a democracy
Well, yes. Both the ancient forms of governance resembling what we call democracy and the Greek system that gives us the word Democracy typically excluded people to various degrees. Don’t take that as a value judgement, I support anything that enfranchises more people, not less but I won’t try to redefine words
But the actual use of the word is a redefinition from the literal meaning, though. Democracy is power to the people, and states are the ones that keep adding conditions on who has the right to vote, starting with citizenship or criminal records - and deciding who gets to be a citizen as well as inventing new crimes that can lose you that right. This is a legal limitation that is decided by the state and it is always redefining the word. So no, modern and ancient states alike never really had a democracy, they just created a word and then decided that actually some people don’t have that right, beyond the literal definition of that word. Power to the people^not everyone is people^.
People improved on the original concept. When we added seatbelts and airbags to cars, and it didn’t make a model-T not a car anymore.
The Greek trolley was not a car either. We came up with a big idea, we made something very limited and pretended that it was that idea, and we’ve only added a coat of paint since, is the analogy I prefer to make.
Nearly 1.5 million people can’t vote in Florida because they’ve been to prison.
Guess how many votes Trump won Florida by in 2024?
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Yeah the billionaires run that country
