Have the Americans, (Canadians, Australians) not been educated about history? WWII? Your grandfathers fought and died in the trenches in WWII to save you from fascism. THEY FOUGHT AND DIED. WTF??
Trumpers have outright said they don’t care if he breaks the constitution. They are nazis. They want this.
James Wheeler-Hill, national secretary of the Bund, opened the night with the statement that “if George Washington were alive today, he would be friends with Adolf Hitler.”[
If Adolf Hitler were alive today, he would be friends with Donald Trump.
I saw this posted somewhere else. Really distressing. I am so appalled. It’s like nothing has changed, nothing has been learned from history. What the hell is wrong with human beings?
Thank you, UltraGIGaGigantic, for this information. I was completely unaware. So, I guess hate is just part of the human experience.
Yeah, honestly the US really didn’t want to take sides. A shocking number of Americans supported Hitler. But then the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor and that sort of unified the country to fight on the anti-fascism (antifa, for short) side of the war.
Wow. Kind of like the conservatives were WAY ahead in Canada, until Trump started talking about annexing our country. Suddenly we were united. I read somewhere that the only way humans would unite is if there was a common threat, like a huge asteroid heading for us that would annihilate the human race. We would work together. But after the threat was gone, I’m sure we would just revert back to our awful, hateful, human condition. Humans truly are a cancer.
A common threat like climate change has not been very effective sadly.
Agreed. But the climate change isn’t affecting the wealthy, other than making them more money. Where I live, in B.C., some people are now unable to get fire insurance due to fires, others are unable to get flood insurance due to “atmospheric rivers”, which causes unnatural flooding. I’ll bet the major stockholders of the insurance companies have no problem with their insurance policies. Humanity is not being threatened with immediate impending doom. Just a long slow extinction.
Have you by chance read the comic Watchmen?
I touched in on it a bit during my studies :)
Don’t forget the New Guard in Australia, who put on a big show at the opening of the famous Sydney Harbour Bridge
https://jacobin.com/2020/08/fascism-australia-old-guard-anticommunism
I just don’t understand. What the Nazis did to people, to children? What the US is doing to people, to children? Sending innocent people to an El Salvador prison. I don’t understand why anyone would vote for this.
They are GIDDY with appreciation. It’s a saying now with the Trump nuts I work with. ‘‘Hope they send him to El Salvador’’ whenever someone cuts them off. The cruelty is the point. No more being scared or intimidated by brown people, they no longer have human rights!
My great-grandfather was there on D-Day.
A good portion of his descendants are hard Trump supporters and are pro-nationalism and pro-fascism.
Glad he’s not around to see his family literally turn and support the very things he fought against.
It’s always been part of the human experience. Some wacko decides they’re going to control the world.
The governors have to allow it. The federal government cannot mobilize the military in a state unless the governor of that state allows it. Posse Comitatus, if Trump attempts to send in the military against the governors wishes, we are talking civil war levels of federal vs state’s rights. I hope state militias are ready to defend themselves.
What consequences for breaking the laws that enforce rules like those have have been applied so far to this administration?
We’ll see what happens with the new yes men in place. However, there was a DoD wide email that went out when he first started snatching people (though some didn’t get it for some reason). It stated:
Think long and hard before assisting other agencies outside the DoD. If your actions are deemed to be against your oath, you could be investigated and actions taken against you. Remember, you serve the constitution of the United States. Not the president.
Wa state has just passed a law stating that other state’s national guard, cannot enter our borders to take any actions. I would bet that that would include military personnel stationed in state.
The Governors? Seriously? SCOTUS has no power. Innocent people, like Abrego Garcio, are being erroneously being deported to hellscape.
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if the governors don’t allow it. ICE could arrest them per E.O.
ICE would have to battle the governor’s security. ICE doesn’t have the stones to go up against people who aren’t essentially terrified and helpless.
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Put it this way. If some good ole boys show up in my neighborhood. The Nortenos will probably deal with them before they even get set up.
I thought for a moment he invited the village people to the White House….
Building a corrupt police state one EO at a time.
Always fucking has been.
Holy fucking shit… 1000$ for an asylum claim? And 3500$ for children. This is monstrous. I am an immigrant and naturalized citizen to Canada and I never had to pay that much legal fees for immigration and citizenship.
The cruelty is the point. In fascism, empathy is seen as a sign of weakness and emasculation.
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Never vote for another fucking establishment democrat ever again.
They always fucking lie and say they can’t do anything, then a republican comes into office and does EVERYTHING.
Fuck everyone who voted against Bernie in the primaries.
Upset with Democrats for following the rules and blame them when Republicans break the law? We want all parties to follow the rules, not more politicians commiting crime to get their way.
Rules? The democrats talk about having their hands tied and they can’t do shit, and only float ideas around. Ideas that never materialize. The Republicans then claim the dems are dictators and do as they please and all the chaos is from their ideas that were never implemented. You know the green new deal and defund the police? Nothing of the green new deal ever happened, but the Republicans acted as if everything was fully enact. And police funding actually soared during their administrations, but Republicans act like all police forces were gutted (remember the cowardly police action at Uvalde? They claim it was the police defunding that caused it when the Uvalde PD’s funding was never touched).
I sometimes wished we lived in the fantasy world Republican propagandists say we live in. If we did, ironically none of the fascists we see online or on TV would be around since they would all be conveniently ‘disappeared’.
I saw the picture and thought “Blazing Saddles”! Now I’m even sadder that I live in a farce country.
The sheriff is near!
I sure don’t see no black sheriff.
A third executive order requires professional truck drivers to be proficient in English.
Higher requirements than the office of president.
I am going to short on my American stocks for the next four years. Trump won’t want to step down at the end of his term and when that happens, there will be chaos.
Additionally,
“This comes as House Republicans have proposed a bill that would charge people arriving at a U.S. port of entry $1,000 in order to file an asylum claim — and a $3,500 fee for those sponsoring children. The right to seek asylum is a fundamental human right enshrined in international law, and the U.S. has never before charged petitioners.”
This is enough grounds for impeachment.
I’ve written this multiple times in the last few months. I’ll keep doing it because people need to get the message: There isn’t going to be an impeachment, and even if there were, it would fail.
The impeachment process requires cooperation from both houses of congress. A simple majority in the house of representatives must vote to approve articles of impeachment. Then the Senate decides what to do with them. They can hold a trial or they can just vote. Conviction requires a 2/3 majority of the Senate. This is why both attempts to impeach Trump previously already failed. The Senate Republicans simply moved to an immediate vote and killed it.
Now, consider that Republicans currently hold a majority in both houses. THERE WILL BE NO IMPEACHMENT barring a major upset in the midterm elections. Even then it is almost guaranteed to fail. Impeachment is not going to save us.
i think everyone realises that there will be no impeachment, but it’s useful to point out that any single 1 of these acts SHOULD result in impeachment and that it’s REPUBLICANS as a whole that are betraying their role in the system; not ONLY a single man
Exactly.
I dunno about you, but I wanna see how many impeachments Trump can rack up before he leaves office/dies. I’m hoping for at least triple digits.
Everything he does can be grounds for impeachment, but if the republicans control all branches of government even if impeached (he was impeached 3 times last time) they will never remove him from office.
EDIT: Y’all notice a common pattern on all those “peace officers” on the picture?
They all look like Confederate zombies taken from the pages of the Time Life Book The Civil War and their family tree is a pole?
They all seem like they whistle Dixie?
A second order further militarizes local police departments, while providing legal resources to officers accused of abuses; it also seeks to undo federal consent decrees for departments that have committed civil rights abuses and seeks to punish local officials who “unlawfully prohibit law enforcement officers from carrying out duties.”
That’s not militarization, it’s promoting lawlessness and removing any remaining accountability.
Seattle PD literally had to be partially taken over by the federal government because it was so corrupt and would not curb its officers… this is going to be VERY problematic in Seattle and surrounding areas.
By definition the federal government will return Seattle PD back into what it was, but with federal backing and technical support.
I’m in a smaller city and even our local PD has two apcs. This is a nightmare.
In all honesty if they have to APCs then they have one APC maybe half an APC, those things are designed with military logistics in mind so their parts are easy to replace if not particularly robust.
Have you not wondered why they keep trying to get the military involved? It’s because they think the military is above the law and can just shoot anyone and do what they want.
Welcome to the police state, y’all
So…those of you who have lived though things like this, realistically what can an individual do?
Im talking beyond voting. Stock up on things? Get to know all my neighbors?
Because of an earlier Executive order, ICE (and related law enforcement) no longer needs to have a warrant. Now we are talking about militarizing local police forces. What happens if my family and I get disappeared?
Organize. Organize. And organize.
Not speaking from experience, but if history has taught us anything, the best course of action is practicing mutual aid. Talk to locals. And arm yourselves.
Many Germans were wondering the same thing nearly a hundred years ago.
Some of them decided to move while they still had the chance. You could say it’s traditional to move across the ocean if your country becomes a totalitarian dictatorship. The other options aren’t that nice though. Once the system falls apart you could be judged for just going with the flow.
Where can Americans even go? It’s not like immigrating is easy, most of us can’t afford it and Western Europe is no guarantee considering vlad is breathing down their neck
Plenty of places for Americans to go, but they have to give up some of their luxuries and entitlement.
If you face:
- danger of torture
- risk to your life
- risk of cruel and unusual treatment or punishment
https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/asylum/in-canada/eligibility.html
If you enter Canada from the U.S.
[…]
Your claim may not be eligible if you entered Canada from the U.S.:- at an official land border crossing
or - anywhere along the border, including rivers, lakes and other waterways, and made a refugee claim less than 14 days after the day that you entered
Those are some pretty interesting conditions. Sounds like in order to make this work, you shouldn’t enter through an official land border crossing. Instead, you should enter through other means (plane, ship, rocket), but you should also just chill out as a tourist for two weeks before making a refugee claim. Makes me wonder what’s the rationale behind this.
Yeah, I don’t quite get it myself. The only thing I can think of is that it might be designed for American citizens living abroad, but I can’t quite figure out why there either.
Maybe it’s just being onerous enough to discourage all but the most serious attempts.
Canada and some European countries have accepted refugees from the US but from what I’ve read it’s incredibly rare and requires and extraordinary amount of proof that your life is under threat and you have no other choice than to move to those countries.
Occasionally, I watch some queer videos on YT, just to see how they see the world from their perspective. Recently, the tone has shifted and some are even advising other people to go back into the closet. Especially gender minorities appear to be afraid of what’s going on these days. Maybe someone in that category could convincingly claim that their life is in danger. I wonder if it also applies to gay people.
Gay and transgender people are the only cases I’ve heard of people being accepted as refugees from the United States in Canada
It’s actually happening then. Reading 1930s history keeps on getting more and more relevant each day.
I’d imagine that’s because of the STCA, but there seems to be a loophole where it doesn’t apply if you enter via water and don’t claim refugee status before 14 days.
If I were really determined, I’d at least ask an immigration lawyer about it, and then I’d plan on taking a 2 week camping trip in Canada when I thought shit was likely to go down.
Come to South Australia!
Vlad can’t do shit in Western Europe. The bigger danger are our own right wing assholes pushed by Russia, American owned (social) media and TikTok
No country is going to be welcoming to refugees from a shithole country like America, and our notorious reputation for arrogance isn’t going to work on our favor.
If you have a lot of money, or have an in-demand skill, perhaps they’ll take you, but any American in a new country is going to face the same difficulties that immigrants in America face - discrimination, crime, exploitation, difficulty in finding jobs, bigotry, etc.
Better to stay in America and fight back.
Check in with friends and family regularly. If you go missing, have them report it and call your lawyer.
Ideally you wouldn’t let them take you alive, since CECOT is a death sentence anyway.
All my neighbors are MAGA
If you don’t have a gun, it’s time to get one and learn how to use it.
…also how to carry safely. Don’t be that guy.
Including when to use it. It is a last resort. If you pull a gun on any law enforcement officer, even if fully justified, you will be going to jail at best, and killed on the spot at worst.
This is the part I have a hard time with. I want to defend myself and my family, but pulling a weapon on authorities means you’re gonna die. These ICE/militarized PDs aren’t going to pause a second if they get any excuse to put you down. They might not even bother with the paperwork at this point.
Unless we’re in a “take as many of them with you when you go” situation. But that’s a different conversation than the “organize and call your lawyer” advice I’m seeing in this thread.
Yeah, as an immigrant who doesn’t much like the idea of dying, I can’t ever see myself deciding to suicide by cop rather than be deported. Being deported would suck ass harder than most things I’ve experienced - I’d lose my house, my job, be separated from my partner - but still preferable to being gunned down and drowning in my own blood as it fills my lungs.
So like, it pretty much always makes more sense to flee than to fight.
Guns should be seen as a last resort, not a first.
