I really thought this was going to be a satire post about the Yemen bombing Signal chat group leak based off the reddit title.
I was inspired to post this story in light of recent events.
Thank you for your service.
I don’t blame you, thought the same and already seen a few today.
It’s a good post though, relevant but not another post about the same damn thing lol
There’s a lot of overlap with this and the leak.
Honestly I see correlation between this, the Trump Locker room talk, the Blizzard and Riot sexual harassment cases, etc.
i was waiting for the guy to come out as an us official as the punchline
same
edit: pawb.social user spotted
If the contents of my friends’ group chat got leaked… people would just think we’re fucking idiots, not terrible people.
Good work, Derek. Be better, losers in that chat.
I think that’s obtuse, comedy has no limits: As long as you don’t act upon uncomfortable / morally reprehensible ideas you joke about, you aren’t any worse or better than if you had never joked about it. I would argue that exposing a bunch of people for what they joke about with no evidence that they’ve actually done something wrong is far worse than joking about offensive subjects. (one has zero negative affects, the other has many)
(I must say I disagree completely with that guy sharing messages from his girlfriend- that piece is very weird and a total breach of trust)
Keep in mind the source of this story. The author has every reason to describe the stuff on their group chat sound tame, so if it sounds bad, it’s probably 3 times worse than that.
(I must say I disagree completely with that guy sharing messages from his girlfriend- that piece is very weird and a total breach of trust)
My impression from the original post was that kind of stuff was what drove most of the fallout. Leaked off color memes aren’t going to ruin people’s relationships, but leaked shit talk or breaches of someone else’s privacy will.
but leaked shit talk or breaches of someone else’s privacy will.
shit talk and leaking messages is pretty bad, but that’s really common these days unfortunately. I wonder how frequently texts like that are shared between female group chats. Depends on the person, and the group, but they are just more connected.
Speaking ill of someone not present to defend themselves is commonly in bad tastes, imo. Commonality of occurrence certainly doesn’t make it any less wrongful. I don’t think it’s a gender specific issue based on the story being about guys doing this.
i’m not saying it is, but from what i understand women tend to have a more cohesive social group, and tend to talk about things between them a lot more, so it would reason that there is a larger chance of stuff like this breaking out into that conversation.
Men just don’t really talk about their personal lives all that much. And when they do it’s usually shitposting.
Speaking ill of someone not present to defend themselves is commonly in bad tastes, imo.
to be clear, i would generally agree with this, unless it’s understand to be venting/not seriously considered. It might be weird in the latter half, but it’s a lot less rude if it’s an inside joke specifically among a group of people.
I don’t think it’s a gender specific issue based on the story being about guys doing this.
and to be fair, if we’re going full gender difference analysis, i think guys are a lot more likely to have a group chat like this, than women, so there’s that.
How do you know that?
Because they’re a fucking idiot, duh.
Easy, by having an inflated ego and a holier than thou attitude! 👍
derek is still a cunt though. If you join and find shit you don’t like the first thing you should do is confront people. Either derek just likes causing people problems (and is a problematic individual) or he is not very bright and thinks that everything people say must be 100% true and serious.
I would not ever want to be friends with derek, that’s for sure.
Derek is a decent person, so you don’t have to worry about that.
yeah idk call me schizo all you want but i’m not huge on being friends with someone willing to drop everything to make me look the worst fucking person possible.
Derek did literally everything possible to cause fallout here, he really didn’t need to go that far.
It’s not hard to not be a shit person. That includes in private.
Derek did nothing wrong.
derek still did a shitty thing though. Regardless of how you look it.
How would you feel if you invited a few people to your home and then found out one of them secretly recorded audio the entire time? That’s the equivalent of screenshotting messages in a small group chat.
Unless you were literally planning crimes, the actual content of the conversation is irrelevant to the principle.
If, in my home me and my friends are sharing sensitive info about past relationships and other actions that can embarrass or hurt people, then exposing that is for the best. I mean where is the limit, if you’re invited to a chat where they’re massively racist and sexist, do you think that deserves to be exposed or do you just keep everyone’s dirty secrets no matter what?
idk i’d probably leave, and if anybody ever asked me about i’d say i didn’t like it. If i saw concerning behavior i would probably de-associate from those specific people. Not grenade an entire friend group over it, that’s extra.
It’s not my place to manage friend group politics.
If I see concerning behavior, I feel the need to say something because it’s concerning. More girls will be embarrassed, more people could be exploited, it’s not ok. I feel like seeing that, knowing you can do something, and choosing not to is pretty close to condoning it. It’s not about friend group politics; there are people outside the friend group who are being passed around in that without their knowledge or consent, and that’s not ok. I wouldn’t care if it was just guys with dark memes.
Doing literally nothing when you see shitty behavior is almost as bad as the shitty behavior itself. Stop letting people you know get away with being pieces of shit - call them out. Ignoring it simply enables more people to ignore it, and the behavior slowly becomes more and more socially acceptable.
Using your same metaphor, if you came to another person’s house and all they did was shit on their family, and then make dark jokes about killing them - is it all fun and games until something bad happens?
There are lines. You don’t know what Derek saw.
But apparently it was so bad that a lot of people are really disgusted at the core group.
that’s true, but judging by this thread people are also really sensitive about this kind of shit, so it wouldn’t take very much for people to get pissed off like this.
Yeah, I’m one of those people. I have this apparently strange sensitivity to people sharing intimate photos of others without their consent or knowledge. Feels very exploitative. I’m just one of those people who doesn’t like to sit back and let people hurt others like that for the lols of a group chat.
weird that you mention sharing explicit photos, because that’s something that didn’t happen. If we’re to believe OP, that is.
Flip side: how would you feel if you shared your most vulnerable, intimate moments with one trusted person, only to realise that you’ve been recorded, shared around and commented on in a group chat full of acquaintances?
Can you see how Derek just delivered karmic justice?
yeah but half of those were previously recorded, the worst thing in that chat is probably the text messages from the one dude specifically. Maybe making fun of people behind their back? But it really depends on how that went down, could be primarily for venting it’s hard to say without having concrete examples. So i’m giving the benefit of the doubt on that one.
I’m not saying it’s not awful, but I still think that publicly telling everyone is inappropriate. Derek basically did the same thing as them.
So it’s okay for the group to bully people, but not for Derek to expose it? Weird line, definitely a red flag…
If I had to explain some of my in-group chats, it would be complicated and awkward, but not life-destroying.
I think my saved memes are 50/50 funny and concerning
The thing is, on Lemmy these are pretty normal… but for my very conservative grandma who hardly understands what a lesbian is…
You just concentrated 4 top tier shitposts into a single comment.
Im pretty sure that pipeline meme is depicting my nibling.
What’s a nibling?
Gender nuetral term for offspring of my sibling.
Thank you!
Not to disrespect if that’s what your relative prefers, but nibling is actually the gender neutral for niece/nephew. Sibling is already gender neutral as sister/brother are the gendered terms.
that’s what they said, offspring of sibling
Ah misread it. Thanks!
Did you just “actually” me without reading my comments? Go back and try again, this time assume I used the exact words I meant to use.
Yeah I misread it, I’m not sure such an aggressive response was warranted but thank you for letting me know.
What’s the first one?
Scissoring (a common sesbian lex position)
…in movies
They wouldn’t LIE on movies, Higgs.
But why the Bible idk what reference?
Biblically accurate angles are nightmare fuel.
Angels described in the bible aren’t people with pretty bird wings. They are oscillating, intersecting ribbons of eyes and feathers, pulsing and shifting and glowing.
Here is an example:
Alright, thanks!
A reference to the „biblically accurate angel“ meme, which is a bit hard to describe so I recommend just looking it up at seeing the pictures to get the reference
Well.
Depends on how fash the US turns for me
Me and my buddy have the nuke thing going. Mutually assured destruction 😎
just dont admit to them?
Oh no. The consequences of my own actions have come back to haunt me
I once had a group chat that got leaked. There’s a possibility that it may have involved some light treason.
Well there’s always money in the banana stand.
To narcissists, everything is someone else’s fault.
Is the person who made the comments a narcissist, yes. Is the person who screen shorted it and shared it also a narcissist, absolutely.
“Hmmm should I expose all the offensive photoshops and derogatory things they did said about specific people?” No that’s not narcissist by itself.
They hurt everyone else involved intentionally do to a sense of self richeousness. It’s a textbook definition of narcicism.
If someone calls the person they are going through a breakup with a self richeous dingbat who likes to tear down everyone around them in a private chat it’s not a nice thing to do. It also didn’t hurt that person until Derek brought it to their attention in an attempt to hurt the speaker while upsetting/hurting the person who was called names. Especially digging up things from years ago. These people aren’t running for office, they are kids dealing with life in a place of privacy. The number of people I’ve heard call soneone a little dicked asshole who isn’t good in bed is around 50. Never once would I think spreading that information to them or their friends group would be for the greater good. The person is hurt and lashing out. It’s often best to let them recover and sort out their own situation. If they were making plans to harm someone that’s another story, but that isn’t what happened here it appears.
At the point of sharing photos and Photoshopping someone to ridicule them, this isn’t an offhand comment said in frustration. This is planned and executed ridicule and mockery. He’s exposing them because he thought their “friends” should know who they are and what they are doing. Not for the intent of “hurting everyone else involved intentionally due to a sense of self righteousness”. Whether you agree with what he thought or not, it’s not narcissism (by itself).
It’s also super bizarre that you want privacy for them when they are fucking sharing photos (the context reading they were private) and sharing “raunchy texts”. Where was the privacy for their victims huh? They deserve what they got.
At the point of sharing photos and Photoshopping someone to ridicule them, this isn’t an offhand comment said in frustration. This is planned and executed ridicule and mockery.
i mean, we also don’t know what they are. It could be really bad, but it could also be harmless shitposting among the community.
You can look at the descriptors they chose to use, and that’s very likely playing it down big time. I’m betting it was extremely bad.
yeah, but we also don’t know what they are posting, so it’s equally shitty to assume that what they are posting is substantially bad.
Though assuming by the fallout, it seems like it was pretty bad? But then again i’ve seen friend groups break up over smaller shit.
I don’t know about you, but I am very reluctant to insult others, even in private conversations, even if they might deserve it
I always try to approach things constructively, because in the end, those patterns and thoughts bleed out into the world and your behaviour
And do keep in mind, even from the poster’s side of the story, it sounds pretty darn bad, and people have a tendency to downplay their side’s wrongdoings and elevate the other side’s. Chances are, it was probably quite bad
If there’s people in my life that go around talking badly about other like that, even in private… yeah, I’d want to stay the hell away from them too. It’s just a massive warming sign, and you’re going to be the target sooner or later. And you don’t want a coordinated group acting in bad faith against you
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Every parent’s “talk” with their kids should start with “Never say or post anything about yourself on the internet, in any capacity, that you wouldn’t want literally everyone in your life knowing about. Assume everything you type, post or share will be seen by everyone.”
I would extend that to include even uploading things to private cloud servers and saving things to your own computer. You don’t have to take these precautions, but then it’s on you to deal with consequences of people seeing the things you want to keep private. Sure, there can be bad people who make extra effort to find and share your private things, but if you already covered your bases ahead of time by not saying things you don’t want others to hear, not posting media you don’t want others to see, you can make it almost impossible for people to cause you harm this way. Also, don’t talk about war plans in group chats.
edit: if you’re one of the kinds of people who read this and feel a reaction of outrage or disappointment that you can’t contain, this means you’re sharing things you shouldn’t and are now getting worried you won’t be able to make yourself out to be a victim when it happens. Don’t get mad at me, I didn’t make these rules, you just never heard them before. Fix your shitty social life and shitty sense of humor.
I have had this exact talk with my kids repeatedly and probably will again ''the internet is a PUBLIC place, if you wouldn’t do or say things you wouldn’t be comfortable doing in the quad at school or in the middle of Walmart, DON’T do it online."
You are officially ahead of like, half the people in this post, and your kids will be too.
Depends on context. Maybe I’m not reading the OP right, but if it’s in the context of “yo guys what do I say” it’s different from “yo guys look how desperate she is lmao”
If you’re ever concerned that your private messages will get leaked, why send it? That seems like a you issue for trusting them.
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There’s no scenario where you’re not the a-hole if you’re going to parrot something someone else told you in private, elsewhere.
I can think of several, including the one being described in the original post
There’s no scenario where you’re not the a-hole if you’re going to parrot something someone else told you in private, elsewhere.
There is no scenario where you “extending trust” to someone protects you from potential consequence. You’re not the victim if someone you don’t know well shares your private shit, you’re an idiot.
If you’re sharing things in confidence that could get you in trouble, you’re already making a mistake, and this triggers some people and I cannot fathom why. Just be more careful and you’ll be fine, you’re not entitled to privacy on the internet, you cannot predict what other people do, and even if you’re totally in the right and someone else is deliberately trying to “take you down” you have made mistakes in extending trust to people you don’t know well enough, on the internet, about things that could have consequences.
I am sad that people never taught their kids how to use the internet back when it was newer, they just all said “nothing there is real, don’t worry about it” while we all use it all day, every day, with no real guidance.
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I don’t know who you’re “angry” with but you’re either soft-defending the people who had the server or doing the worst job in the world specifying who you’re directing criticism at.
The abuse of trust is the problem there, not the trust itself…
There’s no scenario where you’re not the a-hole if you’re going to parrot something someone else told you in private, elsewhere.
I’ve definitely got some bleak ass humor with some friends in private but forwarding messages people sent you in private to other people and group chats? Really?
I think a lot of people here feel like you’re mounting a case against Derek, or at least saying the guys with the discord server are not accountable or less accountable.
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I’m still completely confused how you seem to be shifting your stances around. Despite how much fun you seem to be having trolling everyone, I do NOT find recreational enjoyment arguing with people who don’t know how to string words together, so I will block you to end this, you’re on your own with everyone else you’ve confused here over the exact same messages.
Sadly, people rather get in trouble and make themselves out to be a victim than decide to use some measure of self control and not spout every stupid thing that crosses their mind in their weird little shitty discord channel with their other shitty friends.
Seriously, I have been around the internet since the beginning of it, and people make the same mistakes over and over. This is one of them, and one I’ve never had to deal with because I don’t say shitty things to people, I don’t make “off color” jokes and have no desire to, and you know what… somehow I am not lacking a social life, it’s almost like being a shitty person doesn’t have to be a substitute for having a personality, you can just learn to socialize like a big boy or big girl and not set yourself up for disaster later.
Yeah that’s my line. Something someone told you in confidence is a shit thing to make fun of them for, forwarding it to friends is another level.
Derek’s lame but they were shit too
Nah fuck that.
If your comment was so bad that a person you both trust and respected was like, “WTF” to expose it, that’s on you.
The whole meToo movement is based on this. Just “locker room” talk to some, but deeply disgusting sexual harassment from a small group and behavior to the other 90%.
I meant that the guys in the chat were scum for for sharing their SO dms with each other.
confidence
If this is supposed to be private, personal stuff, why then would you share it with either someone you don’t know well, or share it in a public space where others can see it? “Confidential” material means it should only be seen by people you trust. This whole post is about someone they didn’t know or trust coming into their space and sharing their shit. It’s entirely on them for saying stupid shit on the internet and not being careful.
Agreed. Was referring to the messages their SO’s sent them they then talked in the chat about
That’s scum
Isn’t that what Derek just did to him? Feels bad I guess ;D
I text my friends offensive shit too, but imo the only reason you can consider them funny is because it’s the exact opposite of who i am. Like i don’t even really swear irl. But shit like forwarding private messages or bullying real people is so disgusting to me. I often talk to girls from tinder, and they sometimes send me screenshots of people from tinder to make fun of them. Instant turn off and block.
I thought this was going to be satire about the Atlantic editor being accidentally included in war room group chats. Lol.
Derek sounds like a real one. That poster lacks so much situational awareness they’d fall into an open manhole like in a cartoon.
The world needs more Dereks
I love all the comments who hate Derek, obviously projecting their own shitty behavior.
What a tell.
Still not sure whether OP is Pete Hegseth.
Shitposting is just pretending to be stupid/racist/shitty for laughs/attention, right? Pretty low form of humor, if you ask me (no one did), but I’m also guessing a lot of shitposters aren’t just pretending.
I like a laugh as much as the next person, but we can’t sit around going “Why are people in this country so fucking stupid/racist/shitty?” while simultaneously elevating “acting” stupid to some high form of humor. You see how that’s counterproductive, right?
“Infidelity does not consist in believing, or in disbelieving; it consists in professing to believe what he does not believe. It is impossible to calculate the moral mischief, if I may so express it, that mental lying has produced in society. When a man has so far corrupted and prostituted the chastity of his mind, as to subscribe his professional belief to things he does not believe, he has prepared himself for the commission of every other crime.” - Thomas Paine, The Age of Reason
“Any community that gets its laughs by pretending to be idiots will eventually be flooded by actual idiots who mistakenly believe that they’re in good company.” - Jason Garrett-Glaser
I don’t think it is that people are saying shitposting is a higher form of humor, but that it requires a level of trust that you know the people you’re shitposting with know you and know you’re joking. Lack of that leads to your second quote.
That’s totally fair, and I agree with you. I probably shouldn’t have used the phrase “high form of humor”. I more meant “worthwhile form of humor”. Even that doesn’t really encapsulate what I mean.
I don’t know. It can be hard to separate brainrot from intelligent comedy, and I laugh at both, myself. I’m not the comedy police or anything, I just don’t want to end up here:
We become who we pretend to be.
Great failure of Pauline (🤡🤡🤡🤡) discourse: actions don’t matter, only faith. Bitch nothing in your head matters, only what you do is consequential. Motherfucker destroyed Christianity before it even had a chance get started
In the 90s, calling yourself a flat earther was a opportunity to have a fun and yet silly conversation about belief in science. During that time, both people KNEW that the earth was round. It was an exercise in creativity and played straight for laughs.
But somewhere in the 2000, some people didn’t realize the satire. They actually BELIEVED in it.
There’s a line of shitposting like with anything.
Shitposting is an art. It’s satire.
Then there’s actual shitty people who don’t realize that the good shit posts harm nobody. Where shitty people posting disgusting racist things under the guise of Shitposting are too stupid to understand the nuance.
This commenter said it best:
To the people who think what OP did was completely normal and something everyone does, (and I hate to use this phrase) check the “ratio” here. Nobody thinks this is normal. You and OP are in the slim minority spewing vile shit about people in your lives. It’s cruel and childish. You’d be smart to learn from OP’s predicament before you find yourself in the exact same situation with everyone you know hating you because you thought it was perfectly normal to constantly trash talk them behind their back. It’s not normal. Not everyone is doing it. Assholes like OP and apparently yourself are doing it. And it clearly can bite you in the ass. As I said in my initial comment, these kinds of things can have serious real world consequences. So you may wanna wise up and start being a respectable human being ;)
Shitposting is an art. It’s satire.
I might get cooked for this but it’s just not.
As a person who has been shit posting for at least a decade at this point, 99% of shit posting is either just saying something stupid on purpose or being a cunt to someone.
“Shitposting is an art” is some shit a dweeb says online to make themselves look interesting because “I like to say dumb shit for attention” sounds a lot worse.
Like sure, sometimes it’s funny to be a cunt to someone online (within reason) but let’s not pretend it’s something profound.
Furthermore, the fact that it’s not something profound but just dumbass behavior done for laughs is the reason it can be misunderstood by honest dumbasses.
I’ll defend shitposting here, because I think you’re simplifying it a bit too much.
Shitposting is so much more than “saying dumb stuff for shits n’ giggles”. First of all, as with anything else, there are good and bad shitposts. A good shitpost usually contains a solid undertone of irony or sarcasm. An important part of the humour is not just in “being dumb” it’s about using a statement that is dumb in a very specific way in combination with a specific context in order to create something funny.
Furthermore, a good shitpost uses exaggeration in a good way. The reader should preferably be “lured into” the post, not realising it’s a shitpost, before the notch is turned to 11 revealing that it was a shitpost. This adds an extra layer of humor and social commentary: The fact that the post at first seems believable forces you to recon with what kind of things you would actually believe someone could write. It also makes the target of the humor clear.
Shitposting may not be high art, but calling it “just being a cunt to someone” is missing the mark. “Just being a cunt to someone” is exactly that, and it’s not shitposting.
-fig 1 dweeb online tries to make it deeper than it is
- fig 2 Accurate illustration of “just being a cunt to someone”
Legit, what do you want my response to be to that.
My whole argument was that internet people think shit posting is something profound but it’s just shitposting.
Maybe I should have posted a crying wojak saying it so it’s Real Shitpost™ Art certified.
To be fair, I didn’t expect you to respond at all, and really just wanted to point out that calling a stranger you know nothing about a “dweeb” in response to something they wrote is a prime example of “just being a cunt to someone”. You didn’t need to respond, but you chose to do so by being a cunt.
Regardless, I think you missed some of the sarcasm in what I was writing (which, in hindsight, isn’t very clear). My point isn’t that shitposting is some form of high art. It’s that it’s a form of humor that amounts to more than saying provocative stuff or being a cunt. At it’s best, a shitpost can even contain some social commentary in the same way as caricatures can. Of course, as with all other humor, there are plenty of bad shitposts out there too, which are often just trolls trying to stir up shit.
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Isn’t this a group chat between friends though, so its not an open community where actual idiots are free to just join it.
I play a lot of games that include genocide, like Rimworld, Stellaris, Drox Operative 2, Factorio. That doesn’t mean I am actually going to go out and commit one.
One, nah. Two, you missed the ex getting her privacy violated by OP sharing her texts in the chat.
Tbh this whole thing lacks sufficient context. The guy is probably diminishing what he did, so may well be a bellend. But we don’t really have enough information.
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Wow this must be the biggest group text leak ever.
I can hardly even imagine one that’s worse
👊 🇺🇸 🔥
Pete Hegseth, is that you?
It also feels like something Kavenaugh would have been into.
Thought at first that its a meme about the signal groupchat that was leaked currently and then read its discord and its 1 year old.
