• ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world
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    4 hours ago

    “Life has no meaning.”

    Post nihilists: “No, life has meaning! Übermensch! Lobsters! 12 rules for life! Find meaning through religion and god!”

  • Clay_pidgin@sh.itjust.works
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    20 hours ago

    Do nihilist believe that life has no external meaning? I’d agree to that. You can still choose internal meaning, though. Like being a good parent, or helping your community.

    • krakenfury@lemmy.sdf.org
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      12 hours ago

      Wouldn’t parenting and community be external meaning?

      Seems like internal meaning world have to do with spiritual or mental stuff.

      • The Quuuuuill@slrpnk.net
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        7 hours ago

        the idea is more like… once you realize that nothing has any predetermined value, you get to be the final arbiter of value. you can take stock of that your ancestors invented god as an expedient to create shared community values. god doesn’t exist though. but what really mattered was that your ancestors wanted to have shared values. you can actually skip to the end and create shared values because you and your community accept them as good.

        it’s a common misconception/misinterpretation that nihilism rejects value systems entirely. it’s more like what to once you realize they don’t exist without support from you and your people.

  • B-TR3E@feddit.org
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    21 hours ago

    Isn’t absurdism actually a subset of existentialism? Last time I looked Camus at least was a prominent existentialist.

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      21 hours ago

      Ah. That’s what existentialists say. While most absurdists would vehemently disagree.

      Depends how you see it.

      Existentialism is about creating meaning for yourself because there is no objective meaning.

      Absurdism is about accepting there is no objective meaning, even though humans naturally seek and see meaning in everything, acknowledging therein lies an absurd contradiction to human experience. (Then what Camus would say is you should rebel against this meaninglessness, by embracing the absurdity and enjoying it, which I agree sounds similar to existentialism).

      • B-TR3E@feddit.org
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        21 hours ago

        I don’t see much contradiction here. Actually, your definition of absurdism sound a lot like Nietzsche’s nihilism to me.