• Carl@lemm.eeEnglish
    99·
    1 month ago

    This almost certainly won’t kill the Hexbear community, and frankly I don’t think there’s any way they will choose to pony up the auction money. This community has moved from reddit to discord to the fediverse and they’ll probably just be on their backup/original domain chapo.chat for a month or two before switching over to whatever the admins decide to switch to, and then it will be business as usual under a new name.

    Still there’s a lesson here about setting up a durable online community - don’t let someone control the domain registration with their personal account, you’re just asking for something like this to happen. If they don’t have one already the admins should set up some kind of organization that can “own” the new domain, donations, etc so that this can’t happen again.

      • GhostOfHoxha@lemmy.ml
        9·
        1 month ago

        Making some assumptions about who is who (because they’ve intentionally made it difficult to keep track for doxxing reasons), this should be the last connection they have to a previous admin team that’s been at the core of a lot of the unforced errors over the years. I think it may actually be smooth sailing after this. Either way, I have too many alts across different instances to be too worried about a single one falling. I would indeed miss Hexbear though.

        • hoppolito@mander.xyzEnglish
          5·
          1 month ago

          Don’t have a horse in the race myself (since I use arch, btw) but e.g. here is a compiled list of some past issues.

          • PrettyFlyForAFatGuy@feddit.uk
            3·
            1 month ago

            830 days since manjaro last fucked up. I’ve been using manjaro for a while. other than some hiccups i’d expect of a rolling release distro i’ve been fairly happy with it

    • mathemachristian[he]@lemmy.ml
      16·
      1 month ago

      The current vibe definitely is “Dont pay money to cyberlandlords, give it to people in the mutual_aid comm”. Let it go and get a new domain

    • vger@lemmy.mlEnglish
      52·
      1 month ago

      They didn’t really move. That hostname has been a synonym for hexbear.net all along. It may have been the instance’s original hostname.

    • IninewCrow@lemmy.caEnglish
      33·
      1 month ago

      How does anyone know that this is a fair auction. As much as the users may be hated or disliked, I still don’t believe in companies or corporations taking advantage of people like this to make a cheap buck.

      Who’s to say that every bid in the auction is being artificially raised by a company rep and no matter what amount anyone comes up with, the owner will just keep raising it until they find a really high value.

      Shitty situation all around and as much as they are not liked, I wouldn’t want anything like this happening to any honest instance out there.

      • mathemachristian[he]@lemmy.ml
        15·
        1 month ago

        I dont think anyone on hexbear is actually bidding on the auction. For one most users are poor and the consensus seems to be that any money that would go to cyberlandlords would be better served in the mutual_aid comm. Like if someone wants to spend money on hexbear, they should spend it on those that need it the most.

      • 3DMVR@lemm.eeEnglish
        10·
        1 month ago

        Thats always risky and I highly doubt it, they could just not buy it and then they’re stuck holding the domain and can’t sell it for a cheaper price immediately after

    • some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org
      29·
      1 month ago

      Thanks! Unlike a lot of Lemmy users, I have a soft spot for hexbears. I think they had a genuinely traumatic experience when they federated and their very personal instance was inundated with people who didn’t think and talk as they did. I’m glad they’re ok.

      • antonim@lemmy.dbzer0.com
        23·
        1 month ago

        they had a genuinely traumatic experience

        Jesus Christ, this is so ridiculous. They federated on their own accord, and from what I’ve seen very little non-hexbear users ever came to post on hexbear communitites. Seeing some new users in your online community who disagree with you isn’t fucking traumatic, in fact these people adore arguing and “dunking” on “libs”.

        • ArxCyberwolf@lemmy.ca
          13·
          1 month ago

          Dunking on other instances was literally the entire reason they federated in the first place. Their users were salivating at what they would do to lemmy.ca before we defed’d.

        • AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.mlEnglish
          6·
          1 month ago

          Seeing some new users in your online community who disagree with you

          It takes so very little for liberals to take their masks off and start talking word-for-word exactly the same as incel nazis.

            • AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.mlEnglish
              5·
              1 month ago

              How about instead of puffing your chest out like an online incel douchebag asking me to cross a brand new line in the sand, you respond to what was already pointed out.

              i.e. you being an incel nazi cosplayer and pulling the ‘just simply for disagreeing and nothing else’ bullshit you and every other incel nazi uses every time your behavior is called out

              • antonim@lemmy.dbzer0.com
                5·
                1 month ago

                what was already pointed out.

                Almost nothing has been pointed out. You said my comment resembles those of “incel nazis”. No actual explanation or concrete criticism, just aggressive vocabulary and vague accusations. Of course, you can’t provide anything more than that - had i actually given even a hint of support for nazi ideology, you’d easily point it out, rather than just calling out… my wording?

                bullshit you and every other incel nazi uses every time your behavior is called out

                What is this “my/our behaviour” that you’re talking about exactly?

                • AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.mlEnglish
                  5·
                  1 month ago

                  I didn’t explicitly give verbal support to specific nazi parties (motte) I just said these snowflakes go running whenever some vague and nonspecific disagreement happens! (bailey)

                  You can’t criticize me for using the exact same rhetorical tools literal nazis use and in the exact same context! It’s just a coincidence! You have to follow my rules and satisfy my framing!

        • some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org
          2·
          1 month ago

          Their users wanted to defederate right away when they saw the rest of Lemmy. The people in charge (able to pull the switch) kept telling them to hold on and it’d get better. A small number of people made the decision for all of them. It’s all the rest for whom I genuinely feel bad. Their community was highjacked and, I think to them, attacked. I can have empathy for the average users.

          • Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee
            3·
            1 month ago

            Having seen how Hexbear interacted with other instances, I have zero empathy for them. They were an incredibly nasty group of people towards anyone who thought differently to them.

      • oce 🐆@jlai.lu
        14·
        1 month ago

        Ah, I saw a lot of people traumatized by their posting, but it is the first time I hear about the opposite.

        • tocopherol@lemmy.dbzer0.com
          22·
          1 month ago

          Hexbear is the only place online I’ve found that I feel most comfortable speaking my mind as a neurodivergent queer communist. People act like hexbear is some harsh authoritarian zone, it just simply doesn’t condone chauvinism, transphobia, or let people post western propaganda without it being questioned. Some people react poorly to the way they are responded to on hexbear when they post some bullshit that we’ve heard and debunked 1000 times already.

          • Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee
            2·
            1 month ago

            They also made a habit of “raiding” other instances, and outright flooding any conversation they didn’t agree with with the most vile takes they could come up with, or, failing that, the pig shit Gif.

            But yeah, they’re secretly caring people, sure.

            • BrainInABox@lemmy.mlEnglish
              0·
              1 month ago

              They also made a habit of “raiding” other instances,

              Lol, I love seeing the mythology of hexbear evolve in real time. I particularly like how you put “raiding” in inverted commas to make it seem like you’re quoting something, rather than just making it up whole cloth.

              • Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee
                2·
                1 month ago

                I mean, I saw it happen. You argue with one, and twenty others show up and just flood the thread.

                But sure, keep lying to yourself about how your friends are secretly caring people or whatever.

      • boredtortoise@lemm.ee
        13·
        1 month ago

        Their community reminds me of that one Something Awful subforum with the same style. I guess hexbear is just a younger demographic

  • _cryptagion [he/him]@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
    83·
    1 month ago

    The rest of the Fediverse should put together a GoFundMe to buy the domain, and stick up a page with links to donate drones to Ukrainian soldiers, and care packages to families of Uyghur muslims detained in concentration camps in China.

      • Martineski@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        1·
        1 month ago

        I wonder if the high bids will actually go through or if it’s just trolling. Definitely weird to give such big amounts of money away for a joke outside the space where it’s needed.

    • volodya_ilich@lemm.ee
      2·
      1 month ago

      care packages to families of Uyghur muslims detained in concentration camps in China.

      So right to the pockets of Adrian Zenz?

    • fsxylo@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      26·
      1 month ago

      If I had the money I’d buy it and replace every post with goatse.

      EDIT: wtf the insane asylum is loose. Halp

      • Lunar@lemmy.ml
        28·
        1 month ago

        yes let’s sexually harass all those people depending on our mutual aid comm. you’re so righteous.

        • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.worldEnglish
          15·
          1 month ago

          There are only two kinds of people on Lemmy.

          • People who left Reddit to escape the verbal diarrhea that overwhelmed the site.

          • People who left Reddit to spread that diarrhea.

          sigh The @sh.itjust.works domain is full of the latter.

          • imaqtpie@sh.itjust.works
            10·
            1 month ago

            If “verbal diarrhea” is so commonplace on reddit, then it wouldn’t be necessary for people to leave Reddit in order to spread it, hmm?

            Obviously your entire premise is sheer stupidity regardless, but I just want point out that even according to your own internal logic, it still doesn’t make any sense.

        • Kitathalla@lemy.lolEnglish
          11·
          1 month ago

          The idea is stupid, sure, but it’s not like it’s any more sexual harassment than posting pictures of a pig’s ass repeatedly. Hexbear users (many of whom I quite like) should be used to it.

          • AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.mlEnglish
            14·
            1 month ago

            Yeah harassing homeless people asking for 20 bucks so they can avoid their next hypoglycemic seizure with mid 2000’s edgy shock porn explicitly for the purpose of being cruel to them IS EXACTLY THE SAME as harassing deliberate trolls acting in bad faith with a picture of an animal’s butt so they go away.

            You’re a perfectly well adjusted person who I totally wouldn’t believe hurts small animals for fun.

            Swear to god Hexbear is the best thing that’s ever happened to the internet if only because we get to see a lot of people’s real faces when they react to it.

          • fxomt@lemmy.dbzer0.com
            37·
            1 month ago

            I don’t know if you’re talking about me, but if so i am not western, and hating on MLism isn’t anti-left lmao.

            • BrainInABox@lemmy.mlEnglish
              28·
              1 month ago

              Yes of course, real leftism is when you exclusively punch left and encourage spending money to highjack leftists spaces to redirect them to right wing neo liberal ones.

              • fxomt@lemmy.dbzer0.com
                16·
                1 month ago

                Lol. I don’t exclusively punch left so i don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about, and i said it would be funny, while saying “it’s a waste of money”.

                and encourage spending money to highjack leftists spaces to redirect them to right wing neo liberal ones.

                Get a clue lmao. State capitalism isn’t leftist. Even fucking social democrats are more leftist, and that’s saying something.

                • BrainInABox@lemmy.mlEnglish
                  18·
                  1 month ago

                  Lol. I don’t exclusively punch left

                  Your comment history disagrees.

                  State capitalism isn’t leftist

                  Oh but imperialist neoliberalism is? I guess “real leftism” is just Western chauvinism.

                  Even fucking social democrats are more leftist

                  Why? Oh right, because they’re Western

            • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
              25·
              1 month ago

              Hating on a major branch of leftist thought isn’t technically anti-all left, but it’s still left punching. Trying to say Marxism-Leninism isn’t left is just purity testing nonsense.

              I dunno, if you consider yourself a leftist I think you’d be doing a much better service attacking right-wingers, especially now that there’s a huge rise of literal Nazis in Western countries, than attacking branches of leftism you personally disagree with. It’s entirely understandable why people would question your motives if you decide to dedicate a good portion of your personal time to anti-communism.

              • 𝙲𝚑𝚊𝚒𝚛𝚖𝚊𝚗 𝙼𝚎𝚘𝚠@programming.dev
                16·
                1 month ago

                Politics doesn’t exist on a one-dimensional scale you know. These extremely authoritarian branches of leftism are to me just as detestable as right-wing authoritarianists (though clearly one is more of a present threat). But I dislike being associated with those people because they believe they somehow must be similar in ideology to me.

                • chickentendrils@lemmy.mlEnglish
                  15·
                  1 month ago

                  Totally going to defeat that 400 year dictatorship of capital which has only previously made concessions to workers when there was a tangible alternative system presenting some threat to theirs with an election. Keep it up. Believe in you. <3

                • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
                  14·
                  1 month ago

                  Politics doesn’t really have dimensions to begin with, things like the Political Compass are just abstractions of ideas and positions that attempts (unsuccessfully, IMO) to provide shortcuts to understanding the broader image of a viewpoint.

                  As an example, Marxism-Leninism and AES states espouse and implement more democratic structures, but harshly oppressed opposition from liberals, monarchists, and fascists. This is certainly “authoritarian,” but I don’t think that’s a bad use of authority. Rather, all systems and positions are “authoritarian” in different directions and towards different groups. You get where this is getting muddy and rather than clarifying, it’s actually adding more confusion?

                  As a side-note, if you think Communists are “just as detestable” as Nazis, I think you need to look more critically at these movements historically. Blackshirts and Reds is a great comparison of fascism and communism historically, proving them to be completely uncomparable in terms of sheer brutality and who they served, the bourgeoisie or the proletariat, while taking a critical look at the USSR and why it dissolved.

              • neons@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
                5·
                1 month ago

                Tankies are just fascists painted red.

                And the last time I checked, hating fascists isn’t anti-left

                • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
                  9·
                  1 month ago

                  “Tankie” is a caricature. The idea of a tankie is the ideal vision of a McCarthyian Communist. In reality, the overwhelming majority of people labeled as such don’t actually fit that label, it’s more of a way to cast an image of someone’s positions based on, say, support for AES countries, and twist that into the evil Commie Pinko that haunts the dreams of 1960s children in the US.

                  Moreover, calling Communists “fascists” makes about as much sense as libertarians complaining about the US government being “Communist.” It’s entirely divorced from reality and rests upon dramatic errors in understanding what fascism is, and how AES states are run. I recommend reading Blackshirts and Reds to understand why fascism and Communism are in no way comparable, as well as Is the Red Flag Flying? The Political Economy of the Soviet Union to see how the Socialist economy functioned in the USSR.

              • imaqtpie@sh.itjust.works
                4·
                1 month ago

                Hexbears accusing others of left punching and purity testing 😂

                This is honestly surreal, you don’t see the irony in what you’re saying?

      • blind3rdeye@lemm.ee
        10·
        1 month ago

        You’d be buying the domain name, not the lemmy instance. So if you wanted to replace every post with whatever, you’d first have to set up your own server and create a new lemmy instance for your newly purchased domain name. You’d have to take extra sets then to mangle your lemmy instance such that it didn’t show the real posts but instead showed what you wanted…

        In the end that technical work would be more expensive than the domain name… and probably not worth the effort for a short-lived and mean-spirited joke.

    • Lvxferre [he/him]@mander.xyz
      21·
      1 month ago

      As @Sunshine@lemmy.ca mentioned it’s now at $505.

      What’s up with j_s_0e6b87? (Let’s call them JS). If they really want the address that’s the wrong way to go - bidding too high, too early, too often, and in a bidding war against everyone else. A better approach is to wait until the last hours and then try to snip it.

      Unless their goal is to raise the prices this way?

      EDIT: currently $676. JS is in a bid war with TB (t_b_2a08d7), a newcomer. 🍿

      • alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml
        15·
        1 month ago

        Wouldn’t it be better to agree whatever bit yall want to do with the domain name and spend the money on something more productive? Here’s a father trying to buy his kid a new leg after Israel blew it off.

        I speak for all of hexbear when I say the domain isn’t worth that much, and losing it to capitalism is a funny bit, redirect it to /r/neoliberal or the wikipedia article on economics or the Black Book of Communism or something. Maybe declare Juan Guaidó the interim president of hexbear and redirect to his twitter.

        Losing it to some anticommunist “left” weirdo to flex how much money they are willing to waste on an internet grudge instead of helping literally anyone is less funny.

        • Lvxferre [he/him]@mander.xyz
          10·
          1 month ago

          I’m j_s_0e6b87 aka JS. Linking r/neoliberal? Pfffft, not even close! I want to Make Hexbear Great Again. It’ll talk about the wonders of NATO, and how Israel is doing the right thing (if you disagree you’re Antisemitic and a living proof of the horseshoe theory). I also want to denounce the horrors of mayocide and shitty image reactions, plus insert the Nazi 14 words there otherwise it’s literally 1984. (Just kidding.)

          Okay, serious now. I don’t know what’s up with this bidding war; this shit is weird. Currently the highest bid is at US$710, that’s 200x more than I have in my wallet*. And it’s perfectly possible that the bidders are all doing it for different reasons: perhaps they believe that it had enough traffic to justify the price, or they want to recover it for your instance, or they are indeed in some weird vendetta.

          And if it’s a vendetta it could be for a thousand reasons. It could be anticommunism, but it could be as well some HB user behaving like a wild monkey outside your home instance and getting someone pissed enough to do this stupid shit.

          *R$20, or roughly US$3.50. Yup. If I had some money I’d gladly donate to Karim.

          • chickentendrils@lemmy.mlEnglish
            4·
            1 month ago

            I mean they just try to collect the highest bid and then ban you if you don’t pay. I’m thinking it’s just someone fucking around.

            Edit: yeah I’m guessing this is it. If you social engineer support and pretend to be them… Seems like John Smith is the bidders’ name on the site, before they turned me away.

      • TheBeesKnees@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
        4·
        1 month ago

        JS has bid 26 times now without missing a beat. It’s up to $2,345. That’s insane… and with 8 days left! Like bruhh what?? I refuse to believe they genuinely want to purchase it vs just driving up the price.

        • Lvxferre [he/him]@mander.xyz
          5·
          1 month ago

          It’s a popcorn fest for everyone! Including Hexbear users, they clearly don’t give a fuck about the address itself.

          My guesses are, in order:

          1. Same as you, they’re just driving up the price. They’ll stop bidding near the end.
          2. They genuinely want the address because they have some really bad bone to pick against HB, and they have more than enough money to waste on it.
          3. Some really clueless HB user wants the address, even if their own admins said to not bother.
        • Martineski@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
          3·
          1 month ago

          Same, it’s going to be an intense 9 days from now on. The finale is a great mystery as to how will everything turn out. What will be the final price? Will people cancel their bids? What will be shown on the new site? Who’s the one bidding? Who will win? And all the drama and arguing in the meantime too. Lemmy’s going to be busy.

    • Redjard@lemmy.dbzer0.com
      3·
      1 month ago

      If the highest bidder refuses to pay up, will it pass to the next one down?
      Cause I feel lile some of those higher bids would just evaporate and it’d make perfect sense to place say a 500 bid rn (1920) just in case, if you were so inclined to decorate the domain after aquisition

      Edit: And also it would mean you could start a bidding war with hexbeareans to drive up their cost to the maximum they would pay, without any risk to yourself as long as you remained anonymous

  • Zink@programming.dev
    61·
    1 month ago

    I am not writing this to shit on them, but I have to appreciate the irony in the situation. Something about a communist community getting messed up by lapses in individual responsibility, or an authoritarian leaning community getting messed up by fuckups in leadership.

  • imaqtpie@sh.itjust.works
    55·
    1 month ago

    Wow, that’s a fuck up of monumental proportions. Still 9 days left on the auction, I wonder how much it’ll ultimately sell for.

    This could be really annoying when they all make accounts on lemmy.ml. Funnily enough, having them sequestered over there and defederated from the rest of us has been working pretty well lately. Moderators and admins better start dusting off the banhammers.

      • jqubed@lemmy.world
        27·
        1 month ago

        Reading through the admin’s post it looks like they have the exact same issue with chapo.chat being registered by an admin who is no longer active and not responding to the rest of the admin team. They explicitly say to view the move to chapo.chat as temporary unless they can get control of that domain.

        Sounds like a good lesson for them and many other fediverse instances to form some sort of non-profit/club/organization legal entity and better ensure that these critical items are open to multiple individuals to reduce the bus factor. I would assume having a legal entity would make it easier to get donations to cover costs too.

          • psud@aussie.zoneEnglish
            9·
            1 month ago

            I’m taking it as “grew up and realised he had been an idiot, so stopped talking to them or supporting the cause”

            • JackbyDev@programming.devEnglish
              13·
              1 month ago

              Y’all are really overthinking this. Have you ever just gotten tired of using some platform or just become less chronically online in any capacity? It doesn’t mean they died or had a change of heart. People’s interests change over time. Not everyone wants to do the same thing forever.

              • Ambii [She/her]@lemmy.mlEnglish
                10·
                1 month ago

                These people are holding onto some weird ass one sided internet beef with a lemmy instance of communist trans people, do you really think they’ve ever touched enough grass to grow past the age they first joined reddit?

                • ArxCyberwolf@lemmy.ca
                  3·
                  1 month ago

                  Don’t play the victim. Those who were around when Hexbear first federated with the main instances remember how awful their behaviour was. Being a trans communist doesn’t shield you from criticism, nor does it excuse that behaviour. None of grudges people hold are unfounded.

          • vger@lemmy.mlEnglish
            22·
            1 month ago

            It’s the same instance. That’s just a synonymous hostname that points to the same IP address.

          • bishbosh@lemm.eeEnglish
            14·
            1 month ago

            Right after the r/chapotraphouse sub got banned, they moved to chapo.chat, but the community wasn’t really that tied with the chapo trap house podcast anymore, so they moved to hexbear.net.

  • melroy@kbin.melroy.org
    42·
    1 month ago

    Just add the following line to your host file and add an override to your DNS:

    37.187.73.130 hexbear.net

    Problem solved, this is how we did it in 1985.