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- memes@lemmy.world
Come one come all to the Lemmy-verse! It’s nice and cozy here, we do have some “bad parts of town” but you can do an instance block and not deal with them lol
For your memes we have !memes@lemmy.world if you like sciency posts mander.xyz has some excellent communities (communities=subreddits) like !science@mander.xyz and !biology@mander.xyz and for a meme science combo theres always the fantastic !science_memes@mander.xyz
You can also drop a shit(post) off at !lemmyshitpost@lemmy.world or hang out at !onehundredninetysix@lemmy.blahaj.zone (though you do have to post before you leave that one!)
There’s much more around as well!
Obligatory, fuck Spez
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Also, it defaults to “Active” view, which is the least updated. You can set your posts to “Hot” and then switch between “Top 6 Hours” and “Top 12 Hours” to get the most of your experience here. It will seem dead with the default.
I usually sort by new comments. Sometimes you’ll see 1 year old post still active in the comments. It’s neat
Game changer
I still wish there was a better sort algorithm. Nothing compares to Reddit’s front page algorithm. I usually cycle between hot and top 12 hours.
I think it is good that we don’t have reddits front page algorithm. I want to stay in charge of curating my feed and prefer there not to be intransparent fuckery in the background.
I want to know that a post with 850 upvotes has indeed been upvoted by 900 accounts and downvoted by 50 accounts, instead of some weird calculations up- or downscaling it.
I’m definitely not saying the algorithm should be a hidden secret, or lie about the up/down vote count. It is all open source of course!
Reddit had this sweet spot where it could push some trending posts to the top of the page within 30 minutes, but also let a story sit for a few hours while it was getting lots of engagement. But generally there is a new front page every few hours or so.
The only way I can get this is by alternating between hot and top 12 hours. But even this is nowhere near as good as the Reddit algorithm.
Yeah, redfots hot algorthym has been finetuned to perfection
intransparent
Opaque?
I checked a translator. In my main language intransparent is the typical term to mean the opposite of transparency in the context of actions of politicans, institutions, etc. The word seem to exist in English but not really used like this.
How would you refer to something, where the information is withheld, even though it should be available information to legitimize the way something is handled, i.e. a government agency?
Yeah I understood what you meant by “intransparent” but it’s not something I’ve ever heard anyone say. “Opaque” is the opposite of the literal meaning of transparent, e.g. a window is transparent, a wall is opaque.
To describe information not being shown I’d probably say obfuscated, opaque, or maybe just hidden.
In the United States, “lack of transparency” or “not transparent” is mostly used. Although “opaque” is sometimes used in some circles of people.
Your English is excellent. I think intransparent works, though it might have the tendency to sound somewhat delicate, as if you needed to avoid saying a simpler antonym, which has the funny side-effect of making you sound like an intellectual or a similar type of advanced speaker.
Wow great word in going to use it.
Top 6 and ALL is where it’s at.
You can tell they’re communists cuz they live rent free in the heads of every .world user.
calling tankies communists is like calling Scandinavia socialist
This would be incorrect.
For them to even have the option of rent being waived, that would have to mean that we are all, in some sense- landlords. And it’s commonly known in these parts that landlords are perceived as greedy capitalistic pig-dogs, so, if we are to assume for the sake of discussion that this is true-
… then there can be no reality in which anyone or anything lives rent free in our heads.
There’s no reality in which anyone or anything is rent free in our heads.
Wow somebody is a big reality understander. Impressive.
(Seriously tho it’s called a metaphor.)
Wow. Someone is a big metaphor understander.
(Seriously though- I was making a joke)
Man you’re getting worse than the hexbear edgelords who just shit on the liberals all day, except at least they’re yelling at people in power and not some extremely marginal leftists who would be shot before they could ever take a seat in politics.
A good rule of politics is if someone or an ideology that you don’t like and they have no power or connection to power just ignore them, especially if there on your side for 90% of actual relevant issues. Not theoretical issues that may pop up after the revolution that may never come.
A good rule of politics is if someone or an ideology that you don’t like and they have no power or connection to power just ignore them, especially if there on your side for 90% of actual relevant issues. Not theoretical issues that may pop up after the revolution that may never come.
Sounds good, except I believe them to be actively harmful to the reputation of the Lemmy-verse, so it’s important to make a clear stand, if total defederation isn’t happening.
I’d rather not Lemmy end up as another Voat. I’ve already seen tons of stories from the original rexit of “I tried Lemmy, but .ml/hex/grad seemed cringy/hostile so I left”
I think that people who choose corporate media, where /r/the_donald sentiments are actively reinforced by the corporation, over lemmy, because they found hex/grad/ml users “cringe/hostile” are not comparing things on a neutral basis.
you’re entirely right, but…have you met people?
the reputation of the Lemmy-verse
As long as the main devs of Lemmy are Dessalines and other communists, then the reputation of the Lemmy-verse being tied to a bunch of highly communist instances is just an objectively correct fact. Liberals are free to fork their own version of the software and call it something else.
Tankies, they’re tankies, there’s nothing wrong with the theory of communism. What makes a Tankie, is the support of Authoritarian regimes and turning a blind eye to genocides and many other human rights violations when committed by said regimes
And also, there’s nothing Tankie about Lemmy itself. It’s just computer code that is a Reddit-like link aggregator. It falls under separating the art from the artist. And because it’s open source, there’s no concern of financially supporting it either from its use (unless you make an explicit choice to donate)
What makes a Tankie, is the support of Authoritarian regimes and turning a blind eye to genocides and many other human rights violations when committed by said regimes
That’s exactly what liberals of Lemmy do though.
When was the last time you spoke against Zelensky’s regime, that literally turned my country into a concentration camp that people cannot leave and are kidnapped off the streets (and even fucking hospitals!) in front of their crying wives/mothers, to be sent into the meatgrinder and never be seen again?
That’s a rhetorical question, of course you never did (and those who do, including me, are paid Russian shills, tankies or just bots). Because for a liberal, it’s never “authoritarianism bad” or “Nazism bad” or “human rights violations bad” or anything like this - it’s only bad when the other side is doing it. When “the good guys” are doing it, it’s not just totally acceptable, the guy is a hero.
War surely is cruel isn’t it.
The only thing more cruel than war is liberals.
Nothing is more cruel than war
He won’t speak against Zelensky’s regime, because he’s not opposed to fascists. He’s just trying to pretend his basic Sinophobia, and racism against Asians, is some kind of political philosophy.
If they actually cared about “the reputation of Lemmy,” they wouldn’t be tying it to CIA propaganda.
I just think there’s a contradiction in a) continuing to use a platform that is developed primarily by Communists and b) thinking that the platform being associated with Communists “actively harmful to the reputation of the Lemmyverse”. The fact is that the Lemmyverse is associated with Communists - or “tankies” as you insist on calling them - and so if that’s its reputation then the reputation is accurate.
there’s no contradiction, because the developer does not matter. that’s the entire point of FOSS.
it could be written by a literal nazi (not that there’s a big difference between brown and red fascists) and it wouldn’t matter one bit.
that’s the entire beauty of FOSS!
we ALL own the code.
if Dessalines ever stops developing it, anyone can take over.
if Dessalines implements code the community at large doesn’t like, anyone can create a fork and change that specific part and continue from there.
we can see exactly what the code does, and can create new versions at any point.
that was always the reason behind decentralized, open source networks:
nobody can own it.
There’s even some instances with old reddit-like styling/formatting, if you’re into that sort of thing.
I’ll pimp my example: https://old.lemmy.fan/
Given the instance we are on: https://old.feddit.uk/
i’ve only ever used https://old.lemmy.ca/
That works great on mobile!
Man Reddit really has something with that old UI. The new one runs like trash.
The Connect app is based off RiF. Best Lemmy app by far
I loved RiF, but think Sync is better than Connect.
Sync hasn’t been updated in 11 months counting. The bugs are adding up and the dev is more mia than ever, even when charging monthly fees.
I swapped to Summit a couple months back. It’s been a huge improvement. All of the “lemmy” issues I thought I had disappeared.
Is that true!? Wow, maybe I will check out other options. I’ve just spent so much time customizing all the options to get it juuuust right…
Yup, last update was march 2024.
Check out summit. It’s also deeply configurable.
For awhile I thought that there were stacks of people on lemmy.world constantly complaining about tankies. But now I’m starting to realise that most of the posts are from this one dude, cm0002. Frankly, it’s a little bit weird.
Watching him ‘help’ the fediverse grow by constantly trying to divide and ostracise people would be ironic if it wasn’t so obviously dumb
Definitely a hobby of his
Or a job…
I feel like professionals would be better at it.
Troll farm types usually don’t post as much casual content as he does.
Well, not from one account anyway.
That’s fair.
Yeah its pretty pathetic.
This whole topic has been the crusade of like two or three people.
The result is mostly just a fourth person being able to post shit like breibart without harassment.
Lemmy is still rather small.
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Imagine dedicating this much of your free time attacking people for caring too much.
Especially when the general feeling seems to be this
FYI for anyone who comes across, this here is an example of a “.ml Tankie Alt” who may also just be a “UniversalMonk” alt account.
This “caring too much” they speak of is an inability to accept any valid and factual criticism of the CCP or Russia.
They also defiantly refuse to believe the Xi/Winnie the Pooh meme started in China, despite well documented evidence.
The tankies often call for “unification of the left” but it is deception, they are not left because they will support authoritarian ideals in lockstep.
ETA:
Try to avoid making unfounded allegations about other users - here we raise a wry eyebrow to dramas elsewhere in the Fediverse, not start them.
FYI for anyone that comes across, this here is an example of a conservative capitalist supporter who spends hours a day posting about imaginary tankies that fucked his wife or whatever weird shit pops into their head.
Individuals like this use the word tankie in the same way liberals use the word Nazi or conservatives use the word commie or how maga use the word dei or how toddlers use the word icky. It means whatever they want it to mean at the time, in most cases just being anything unpleasant to their delicate sensibilities.
Anyone using the term tankie on a left wing site is deeply unserious and solely exists to sow division and troll.
You literally called Ukrainians Nazis a couple hours ago.
The people with swastikas on their chest are Nazis if anyone is. Joe billy Bob the chicken farmer that has a mutual aid network but voted for Trump because Dems have never paid attention to him is not a Nazi.
It’s disingenuous to pretend there’s not a difference.
It is also disingenuous to label Ukrainians as Nazis, just because a couple of them are. Just like there are in every other country, be it Russia or USA.
Given their history it’s like Germans with Nazi tattoos. Yeah a few might exist, but if the government starts actively recruiting them you might paint with a wider brush.
Never again means never again, and God damn did Ukrainians love the Nazis in WWII.
Saying that the government is “actively recruiting” them is also disingenuous, because it makes it sound like Nazis were specifically desired and chosen, as opposed to some recruits just turned out to be vaguely Nazis. Battalions of vaguely Nazi dudes exist in Russia, yet nobody is trying to denazify Russians.
And if you mean that the initial not so negative reaction of Ukrainians, hopeful that the Germans would free them from Russian oppression makes them Nazis, then, again, you’re being disingenuous. In the end Ukrainians had the most casualties fighting the war against Nazis. Nobody is currently calling Finns Nazis, even though they didn’t oppose them for similar reasons (getting back at Russia for oppression).
Except in Ukraine the Nazis hold power, because the US installed a far-right puppet regime that refuses to hold elections. Now they’re spending millions erecting monuments of famous Nazis.
I’m not saying Zelenskyy is an angel, but the constitution literally forbids elections during war. Pick a better reason to criticize the government, there are plenty real ones.
The Ukrainians call themselves Nazis. They also name their streets after famous Nazis.
When someone covers themselves in Nazi symbols, and calls themself a Nazi, why won’t you believe them?
Half my family is Ukrainians. From Odessa, which is famous for being full of Jews. I lived in Ukraine for 5 years right before the invasion. Literally not a single Nazi in sight or any rhetoric. Wtf are you on about? If somebody convinced you of whatever you said, you’ve been duped.
So you’re claiming all of this is fabricated?
https://apnews.com/article/ukraine-russia-war-us-weapons-azov-a3a555670bedeae2022900621d79aba7
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2023/03/08/wdtz-m08.html
https://www.timesofisrael.com/jewish-leader-slams-kyiv-for-naming-streets-after-nazi-collaborators/
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/05/world/europe/nazi-symbols-ukraine.html
No, I’m not saying these are fabricated, but I’m saying that you’re cherrypicking examples to support your (Russia’s) narrative. Every time Nazis in Ukraine are discussed, Azov battalion comes up. Guess what, 1 battalion doesn’t make the entire nation Nazis. There are Nazis in all countries. There are even Nazi battalions in Russia, but Russians aren’t Nazis?
The street renaming incident is just a result of incompetent research. They were just pulling any historical names to replace all the numerous Soviet era Russian names. The street I lived on in Kyiv got renamed to one after a Polish Jew. So why would Nazis name streets after Jews?
“there is no censorship in Beijing…”
Still haven’t found wikipedia or other such sites, eh?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_of_Winnie-the-Pooh_in_China
Censorship in China
The Chinese Communist Party (CCP) uses extensive censorship. For instance, the Chinese government has censored topics regarding the Cultural Revolution and CCP Chairman Mao Zedong, the 1989 Tiananmen Square protests and massacre, human rights in Tibet, persecution of Uyghurs, and Taiwan independence.
The first screenshot is about voting rights, little one.
At least you’re admitting you’re wrong there and you admit China isn’t a evil despotic dictatorship.
Lmfao you think China is an open socialist democracy! God there are some proper nutcases on this site
How much do you think you’re helping yourself by calling others “little one”? that’s the most passive agressive thing I’ve read all week, and I’m on the internet a lot
With how many open nazis are running about now maybe not the best example for that one.
True but most people tend to understand that or the dei example the most. It’s still effective to show the point.
Individuals like this use the word tankie in the same way liberals use the word Nazi or conservatives use the word commie or how maga use the word dei or how toddlers use the word icky. It means whatever they want it to mean at the time
No. I mean, I disagree, but the weirdest thing is the use of liberal as a pejorative on a “left wing site”.
All my adult life I’ve been disliked by my local chuds, cunts, dickheads, fuckwits, and bastards for being liberal. Now the “lefties” dislike me for it too.
It’s weird; I like all the same stuff, push for the same social change as ever but now “libs” like me are the scum of the earth because . . . *checks notes* . . Ah. Yes because the Likud are genocidal evil bastards. Which. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. Yeah I dunno. Somehow that means we should let trump win.
It’s fucked up bullshit. And it used to be mostly from the “Tankie triad”. But even after they got mostly blocked, the more industrious of them come from “regular” instances now.
Liberals were never left wing, equality nor equity can happen under capitalism. The rainbow capitalism liberals advocate for only extends as far as their use to the liberal hierarchy. See: trans and undocumented people getting thrown away by the Harris admin as soon as they no longer saw any bumps in polls for supporting them.
The problem you’re having is you live in a place with such a far right Overton window that the thought of even a tenuous equality amongst the under class is a progressive idea. It’s not. But it’s an easy tool to divide the underclass, and even acceptance of ‘controversial’ humans is used to divide the underclass.
Liberal was a good thing to be in the early 1700s, when it was the only alternative to divine right feudalism; but we’ve evolved since then. We don’t have to settle for capital based feudalism, which is all liberalism amounts to.
Tl;Dr liberal infighting caused you to think liberalism and conservatism is different ideologies, and you’re using the conservative definition of liberal to define yourself and getting mad.
Liberals were never left wing We don’t have to settle for capital based feudalism, which is all liberalism amounts to. Tl;Dr liberal infighting caused you to think liberalism and conservatism is different ideologies, and you’re using the conservative definition of liberal to define yourself and getting mad.
I mean, I can’t disagree more in terms of my lived experience. You’re surely taking a polisci graduate-level view of these terms and that’s probably exactly what the books say, but I can tell you with absolute certainty that the freedom, liberty, and justice we had in real life, any social progress at all in the last fifty years was due to liberal efforts, which included those who supposedly despise liberals now.
Liberal and conservative ideologies ARE different. If you want to be an faux-academic absolutist and pretend helping trump win is some kind of socialist or anti-capitalist win, you’re crazy.
They’re just two different words that happen to be written with the exact same letters in the exact same order.
Let the confusion… dissipate !! 🪄
Yeah, I wondered that too, but the rest of the context is solidly American-facing. I don’t think there’s very much confusion over the terms.
Liberal means different things depending on context, country, etc.
Over here in France (although not as common a term as in the US) it is commonly associated with economic liberalism, ie part of right-wing ideology (small government, fewer taxes, etc).
In the US, it’s more of a synonym of social liberalism, and is associated with left-wing ideology, progressivism.
And I’m not the secret big bad guy behind the account that he thinks is an alt of mine. I never heard of the user he’s referring to. lol
cm0002 seems to have an unhealthy fascination with me and sees me wherever he looks.
Not me. Never heard of the guy. I mean, it’s nice that I’m on your mind all the time, but brah, calm down. Not every single person who disagrees with you is me or some “alt account” of mine. lmao
Upvoted. You have enough alts with your actual name
Thank you! I have no reason to come up with random alt names. I’ve always been transparent about who I am when I apply to a new instance. Even an instance I created has my name on it.
I’ve never hid who I am. As someone described me just the other day: “I’m consistent and oddly annoying.” :)
I’m really liking it here!
Welcome!
Glad to be here!!
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Yeah… we’re kind of fun.
Weird post.
Most definitely. I’m getting pretty sick and tired of the constant complaining about those Lemmy instances.
Ironically the founder and programmer is a communist
tankies aren’t communists. Marx would’ve laughed at authoritarians calling themselves communists
They aren’t tankies though. That’s just a label applied by everyone else when the communists point out supporting Nazis is bad.
anyone who supports China isn’t a communist, end of discussion. you couldn’t define communism even with Das Kapital in front of you
K. Except I never declared support for China, so what are you on about?
Denying that the tiananmen square massacre happened is pretty obvious support for China.
Y’all really do live your lives like this. Treating everything in this world like team sports. ‘If you’re anti-CIA, you must be pro-China! If you’re anti-Nazi, you must be pro-Russia!’
It’s like talking to children.
https://www.liberationnews.org/tiananmen-the-massacre-that-wasnt/
For help migrating: !growthefediverse@slrpnk.net
This name should really be changed to something else
They’ve changed the display name but the ID can’t be altered as, I presume, it counts as the address.
Would be a good opportunity to try out the concept of migration, which is the new name of the community
Fair.
I don’t know why I would block Lemmy.ml when it’s more entertaining to get banned from their communities one by one!
One by one? Dessalines blanket bans you from everything if you break one of their unwritten rules. Relatedly, just write out your rules. Stop trying to be sneaky-deeky. It’s ridiculous, having ultra secret rules like some sort of boy’s club. Be up front about it. It surely doesn’t take long to write “avoid questioning China or Russia” in the sidebar
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Yea, getting site-banned is also fun, I can make posts like these and none of the .ml tankies can see it outside their alts LMAOOO
These posts are so fucking cringe lol. Its always the same guy posting them.
Former tankie turned anarchist. Talk to the Tankies. Learn from them, they have points.
Engles is full of shit (“On Authority” is little more than a business owner complaining that people don’t like authority, and using natural laws of the universe to justify its existence by diluting the definition of authority such that any type of power over anything is considered authority. While this is not technically incorrect, it is a gross oversimplification of what authority means) and is the primary basis for how authority is justified on the Auth left.
But when they tell you to read something, go read it. They shitpost hard, don’t eat the onion, don’t feed the trolls, but engage in genuine conversation *recognizing that you will never agree and using it as a learning experience *
edit: spelling error
I like to think of tankies as Anakin Skywalker in that scene on the Grass with Padme. Anakin is gently explaining his hopes for the future, the wonderful world he wants to build, but when asked if people disagree he says “then they’ll be made to”, revealing his authoritarian streak. To anakin, like the tankie, seems obvious that an ultimate authority is necessary to shepherd the people into their eventual utopia, by force if necessary.
Many recognize the goal of a far left state is to whither and die, but the tankie forgets that power begets power. A dictatorship of the prolietariat is all well and good until a well spoken wolf in the finest wool takes the reigns. Power does not corrupt; rather i believe it is corruption that seeks power, and like dragons those corrupted by power will not give it up, and will do anything for more.
This right here (I’m stealing it lmao)
I personally would love to see the fall of capitalism in my lifetime and the rise of “The Star Trek Economics” which IMO is a fantastic example of a realistic equal capitalism-free future. Not so perfect as to fall into the “Utopia that’s really a Dystopia in disguise” problem, but still a future worth striving for.
All current or past examples of Communism generally involve the sacrifice of personal rights and freedoms to some degree.
ETA: As far as engaging with them goes, I did for a while, multiple times in fact. Once you go beyond their surface level talking points the Authoritarian in them comes out and they will not criticize China/Russia in any shape or form no matter how deserving.
It’s really only been the last few months that I’ve actually been proactive against them because now I see the damage they do to the Lemmy-verse with their propaganda and misinformation.
I personally would love to see the fall of capitalism in my lifetime and the rise of “The Star Trek Economics” which IMO is a fantastic example of a realistic equal capitalism-free future.
To boldly go where money has no power over biology 💪
Wait, what’s wrong with Hexbear? I’m new to Lemmy and read the code of conduct and TOS of Hexbear and it just seems like they’re leftist? I was thinking about registering there 😅
Lemmy can be a bit of a culture shock when you come from Reddit. If someone calls you a libtard on Reddit, it’s because they think you’re a leftist. If someone calls you one on Lemmy, it’s because they think you’re too far to the right of them.
If someone calls you a libtard it’s because they’re an ableist POS, and probably a larping conservative.
The proper term for “centrists” from leftists is “shitlib.”
And you wonder why your type are considered insufferable.
Sooo are the users over at Hexbear considered libtards over here on Lemmy?
Nooo the users on Hexbear are the ones calling others libs for being too far to the right. Though I don’t know how prolific libtard is, just because of the ableism.
That makes so much more sense. Thank you for the insight!
No, the opposite; They’re so far left that leftists aren’t left enough.
They are not actually left, they are authoritarian communists and will defend Chinas CCP and Putin as well as spread the propaganda/misinfo out of there. And if you dare post anything critical of them, no matter how many good sources you give or how factual it is they’ll write it off as “CIA propaganda”, remove it and ban you under their catch-all “Rule 1: Bigotry”
If you want to see more check out !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works
If you criticize the chinese communist party you will be labled a sinophobe on Hexbear.
“I’m doing my part!”
When r/chapotraphouse got banned they moved to what is now hexbear. If you didn’t like r/cth you won’t like hexbear, and lots of folks don’t like r/cth.
So here’s the thing… im so new i have no idea what r/chapotraphouse is
Fair and valid, and I envy your brain. They were a shitposter sub on reddit, sorta based on the dirtbag podcast of the same name. They were criticized for brigading and dog piling folks they disagreed with, and largely have a mentality of treating what they see as bad faith with mockery.
All that being said, if you think memes about China taking over the US is funny, they are a fun, active community. Though using it as your primary instance can be a big of a difficulty because lots of other instances block them.
Really I’ve found lemm.ee to be a good home, and you can still see all the posts there and see if it clicks for you.
For right now lemm.ee is my home! I was just looking at the other instances to see if their ideologies better fit mine.
To be clear, I self-identify as liberal, and i am trans. I noticed the c/traaaaa… community on Hexbear seems to be the biggest of the bunch, and that was my favorite sub on reddit, so I started looking in to Hexbear
Hexbear has the largest amount of trans people on one instance as far as I can tell. Lemmy.blahaj.zone is more specifically for trans and queer people, and the admin is trans herself. Lemmy.blahaj.zone is federated with most other instances while many have defederated hexbear because they don’t like when trans people get too uppity. On lemmy.blahaj.zone we are considered the “good ones” or the more acceptable trans people by the other instances because this instance is less partisan/politically opinionated. Not a great situation, but the result is this instance is more widely federated.
Very interesting. I’ll check out lemmy.blahaj.zone as well! Thank you
Blahaj.zone is an instance created by and for trans and queer people, but I think Hexbear beats them in sheer numbers due to instance size. At least go check out /onehundredninetysix, which is the recreation of /196 after the /196 blahaj.zone mods tried to move to Lemmy.world. It had a lot of people pissed, mods had a bad “the users don’t own this community, we do” attitude about it, and eventually /onehundredninetysix was created.
Hexbear’s mods have historically been very strict regarding transphobia so lots of trans people have seen it as a friendly place. I think there was also a migration from blahaj to Hexbear when someone was banned from blahaj for refusing to use the pronouns “drag/drag” for a person who self-identified as a dragon. It was like watching the “I identify as an Apache attack helicopter” meme play out in realtime, and a lot of blahaj users weren’t comfortable with it.
self-identify as liberal, and i am trans
What you want in that case is lemmy.blahaj.zone not Hexbear/grad or .ml
Lots of trans folks head there because the mods of hexbear are very strict about transphobia, and there was a tiff between the two instances specifically around fetishizing trans folks. So worth checking out both to see if either feels more inviting.
Hexbear users are generally more vocal with their opinions and call people out for problematic opinions. Because not everyone shares Hexbear users’ opinions it can come across as very aggressive. My instance has been defederated with them for a while so it’s hard to say exactly what it is like now, but that’s the gist.
I had plenty of positive interactions with them too and enjoyed their communities. It’s easier to notice the one really unenjoyable interaction with someone than the dozens of somewhat positive ones though.
It’s a shame that many instancss defederated with Hexbear and vice-versa… definitely makes having alt accounts necessary so users can get the most out of Lemmy
I blocked hexbear after getting in too many stupid arguments with their users. The final straw was an argument where they said “owning a personal washer, dryer and vacuum isn’t communist enough” and I just gave up and blocked the bunch. Lot less grief in my feed after that.
Can someone explain like I’m 5 how being against Nazis and capitalism is authoritarian bootlicking? Seems like the exact opposite.
Authoritarianism isn’t exclusive to capitalism. You can have a communist country that is Authoritarian, like China or Russia. But they will fervently deny that China and Russia are Authoritarian, the various human rights abuses and lack of freedom at their feet in order to promote Authoritarian style Communism
They are against Nazis, but they apply that label to just about everyone who is against their views and/or what China/Russia pushes. They will say that Ukraine is completely run by Nazis for example, a propaganda line right out of Moscow.
a communist country … like China or Russia.
lmao. Both extremely capitalist: money, wage labor, private property, classes, etc. Read a book.
Perhaps, but the CCP proclaim themselves to be a “communist” country and the tankies believe them even though their actions are, like you said, capitalist-like.
communist country that is Authoritarian,
No you can’t, communist countries don’t have governments
China or Russia
These are capitalist countries, state capitalist for China
Ussr/Maoist China at best were socialist dictatorships which I think is what you were referring to
While I can see your point for the second half of your comment
No you can’t, communist countries don’t have governments
What‽ That’s a new one lmao
He’s using the term in its proper context instead of casual American.
Communism is a classless, stateless society where the means are collectively owned.
The USSR did not achieve communism, and they’d have been the first ones to tell you that. They would say they were socialist, however, engaged in the process of building socialism.
Ukrainian leadership declared themselves Nazis. They’ve recently spent millions erecting monuments of famous Nazis, and are naming streets after them. Their soldiers are literally covered in Nazi symbols.
When someone tells you themselves that they’re a Nazi, why do you think your beliefs overrule their own self-image?
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2023/03/08/wdtz-m08.html
https://www.timesofisrael.com/jewish-leader-slams-kyiv-for-naming-streets-after-nazi-collaborators
WSWS is a biased “trotskyist” rag and this is an opinion piece whingeing about Ukraine throwing off the shackles of soviet oppression written by the leader of a former Ukrainian political party that was banned for having ties to Russia. Opinion disregarded
The TOI link you posted lists its source as a tweet which no longer exists.
Neither link claims “Ukrainian leadership declared themselves Nazis”
Wow this conversation is really something.
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WSWS is actually garbage, as a trotskyist we think these people are cranks. Gotta respect the hustle, their magazine has a far reach and they aren’t 1000% terrible. But a friend of mine claims that the closest he’s ever come to being the victim of political violence was at a WSWS convention.
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Ukraine actually banned all their left wing political parties and it wasn’t actually because of Russian ties. Not saying the ties didnt exist in this instance, or in other instances, but it isnt evidence of complete ideological corruption by Russia of the far left. Denial of Nazi influence and Banderist militias is a denial of history. The Maidan revolution was a US backed operation, the US knowingly and explicitly funded Far right Nazi militias for years in the lead up to this conflict. The US baited Russia into Ukraine hoping for a protracted war to weaken them and their anti US influence. The associations are plain and not just Russian propaganda. Ukraine has always had a Nazi problem, as many countries, including the US, also do. And why not? Nazis are frothing violent nationalists who hate communism and socialism. So to the western imperialists, Nazis are and have been useful for decades, and explicitly in the Ukraine since 2014, but not just since the Russian invasion.
However,
- The invasion of Ukraine is actually terrible the Ukrainian people don’t deserve to be the victims of Russian invasion and deepening capitalist corruption. Its not a left wing position to be on the side of invaders! I know a few Ukrainian Americans who were active and capable in the left wing who stopped organizing because of peoples delusional and toxic attitudes around these conflicts. If someone makes a political analysis that most Ukrainian people are Nazis, they are only doing so to dehumanize them, so that their suffering can be dismissed.
I understand the position of US defeatism, and probably strategically agree with it. But like communists are supposed to be better analysts, we don’t base our analysis on whatever the opposite of our enemies say, we are supposed to ground our conclusions in historical circumstances, material relations, and by uniting objective fact with subjective truth. A popular front with Russia is a losing proposal, and progressive liberals are more correct for opposing it. But the facts are in, the Ukrainians were done dirty by “the west” long before the Russians invaded. They don’t deserve an invasion, and they don’t deserve to have their economy raided and they don’t deserve to have the far right funded by the US and its allies, and their left wing dismantled by the corrupt Ukrainian government, who is not made just by a just defensive war, if in fact it can be accurately called that. Like in some ways yes, but other ways no, and still others it is very unclear.
Liberals should learn more history and Commies should actually learn dialectical materialism instead of abandoning it for disasterous popular frontism.
Finally a nuanced left wing take.
The left isn’t supposed to be an echo chamber, we are supposed to “ruthlessly criticize all that exists” especially our selves. People who don’t understand their own beliefs are capable of being tricked into anything. “When education isn’t liberating, it is the dream of the oppressed to become the oppressor.”
I’m just some dumb guy no one listens to so I appreciate the comment.
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You want more? Oh man, have I got more! I’ll try to stick to whitewashed sources you’d like.
https://m.jpost.com/diaspora/antisemitism/article-738940
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna198961
https://www.nbcnews.com/think/amp/ncna1290946
https://apnews.com/article/ukraine-russia-war-us-weapons-azov-a3a555670bedeae2022900621d79aba7
I feel like nuance is dead for you. Black and white and whatever makes for justification.
So, your statement that the country is Nazi and doesn’t deserve support is people voting for a street name to a guy they forgot was a Nazi like most of NASA in the US or many businesses in Germany and that there are more alt right groups acting up and joining civilian battalions which is true of Italy, Germany, Poland, USA, India, Russia, Argentina, Philippines, etc…
You have taken a piece to willingly believe the whole you want.
A person can be an abusive parent but a great teacher, people can be great caregivers but racist, countries can be invaded by others for resources while struggling with internal issues.
I’m not sure you have a point here other than that because they have an issue within them they deserve anything that happens to them. It’s a false purity test cause nothing passes. When chickens do this in the wild they end up pecking each other to death trying to get the blood off each other. Do not have the same mentality as a chicken.
In my experience, the only people who want to talk about “nuance” with Nazis are themselves Nazis.
Back to pure black and white with you. It mentioned Nazi somewhere, so a stance against discussion itself. If that was about ideology I get it, no nuance to a person wanting oppression of others, but you are just using the concept to block the conversation on whether you are right or wrong to be able to pass judgement on an entire country.
You use it as an excuse to not think critically and ease your mind on a complicated issue.
It’s like you are using the phrases incorrectly to be devoid of empathy not with. Well I read your links, engaged to see what your point is and find it still to be nothing other than a false purity test to disconnect yourself.
You do not engage with reality so I will not engage with you.
I’m not claiming that there has never been Nazis in Ukraine. The Holodomor was pretty fresh in the minds of Ukrainians when Germany invaded and whether you believe it was an intentional ploy by Stalin to quell succession movements the USSR states or not it was definitely seen as one by many in the population. Collaborating with any invading force under the context of millions of your countrymen appearing to have been murdered by the state is frankly unsurprising.
The people having streets named after them in Ukraine may have been Nazis but is that the reason they are being “honored”? Most articles across the political spectrum tend to gloss over the actual reasons. one of the ones you posted even says “The Internet Encyclopedia of Ukraine [and presumably others] avoids mentioning Kubiyovych’s Nazi past, instead focusing on his work before and after World War II” so the answer to that seems to be an emphatic no. Would i personally rename a street after him knowing what i know about him? definitely not. but it’s not about Nazism, it’s about forging a national identity separate from that of their historic oppressors.
Russia does not care about denazifying ukraine, if Putin cared about Nazis he wouldn’t have allowed this guy to become second in command of his chief black ops battalion.
Ukraine has had problems with nationalism, but that does not a “Nazi” state make and the trend including with Azov has been away from problematic fascistic ideology.
Russia on the other hand has been increasingly embracing fascistic traits. Wikipedia defines fascism as “a far-right, authoritarian, and ultranationalist political ideology and movement, characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation or race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy.” Most of which are traits that Russia has comfortably ticked for well over a decade, Ukraine on the other hand has not.
And still none of the links you posted make mention of “Ukrainian leadership declar[ing] themselves Nazis” as was your original claim
You mistakenly believe my opposition to Nazis is support for Russia. It is not.
This is not team sports. This is real life.
“I don’t support Russia but do exclusively parrot their talking points and refuse to accept that Ukraine could be a victim”
This is not team sports. This is real life.
Correct, and real life is not Black and White, it is shades of Grey. Ukraine has existed in the grey of history for as long as it was subjugated by Russia
Yeaaa ookkk tankie, I’m sure those websites aren’t biased and spreading propaganda/misinformation at all LMAO
you’ve been tagged
So you’re denying Ukraine is doing this? Or am I a tankie for pointing it out? All it takes to be a tankie is pointing out someone is calling themself a Nazi?
You’ve taken this so far, you’re entering into Nazi sympathizer/collaborator territory.
The US Congress had to lift a ban on arming Nazis in order to send arms to Ukraine. Now tell me how it’s somehow my fault for pointing that out.
https://apnews.com/article/ukraine-russia-war-us-weapons-azov-a3a555670bedeae2022900621d79aba7
Do you guys read the sources you post or just the headlines?
Moscow has repeatedly portrayed the Azov as a Nazi group and accused it of atrocities, but has publicly given little evidence of the allegations.
Yes, I am aware AP has been whitewashing for fascists for a while. But Congress is not bound by what Moscow believes. Congress had to lift the ban on arming Nazis to send Ukraine weapons, because it’s also what the US believes.
You know who also believes Ukraine is currently governed by a Nazi regime? The soldiers covering their uniforms in Nazis patches, the politicians naming streets after Nazis, and the Ukrainians openly declaring ‘I am a Nazi.’
If the Ukraine was so Nazi, why didn’t Russia go to the UN and create a multi-country coalition to remove the Nazis and save the people?
And why would these Nazis elect a Jew?
Why would you discredit your own proof once it’s pointed out that it isn’t proof?
Why not link directly to Ukraine’s statement?
If taken at face value it sounds pretty much the same as the Hamas being a freedom-fighting group
Please expand on that nonsense. How does that make sense in your brain?
Well you say that a Nazi-group stays a Nazi group even when they are fighting against an invader.
Does that work the same way for the Hamas? Once a terrorist group always one? Or are they a liberation army?
I was on Lemmy when lemmy.ml was the biggest server and I’m glad that despite the biggest server being tankie nominated Lemmy could grow into what it is today.
