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    Trump declares himself herself the first female President of the USA? 😳

    (Edit: Excuse me Mrs. President, I had misgendered you.)

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    Technically no. They aren’t male or female, they’re undifferentiated. Since we’re neither male nor female at conception, this order means males and females don’t actually exist at all.

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      At conception the future sex is determined by the chromosomes that the sperm contributes. Once fertilized, there are either X and X or X and Y, which will be XX and XY once meiosis occurs for the first time.

      So technically once fertilization occurs(conception), sex has been determined.

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        According to the wording of the order, at conception you are female if you are “producing larger reproductive cells” or male if you are “producing smaller reproductive cells”. Since at conception no one is making either reproductive cells, then I agree with the stance that the order says no one is male or female now.

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        At conception the future sex is determined by the chromosomes that the sperm contributes.

        Explain that to XY individuals with a mutated SRY, meaning they never develop male traits at all, even though they’re XY.

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        Only correct comment here. Genetically, all things are already set in stone at conception. People parroting the 6 week thing are conflating genetic determinism with development of external traits.

        There’s also the issue with intersexed individuals and other individuals with chromosomal differences… I suspect they are out of scope of the order as they really don’t fit either definition

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    I think this is actually more gender abolitionist if you think about it. No one is producing reproductive cells/gametes at conception. They begin by producing undifferentiated stem cells that will later specialize into all of the other cell types.

    Male and female now officially retired. Rejoice!

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    Turns out they were always asking, “What is a woman?” because they had no idea either.

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      It’s a bad faith question that deserves a hillarious answer

      “What is a woman? Why it’s someone whom, family members aside, you’ve never seen naked.”

      “What is a woman? The kind of people at the bar who cover their drinks when you get too close.”

      “What is a woman? A MISERABLE LITTLE PILE OF SECRETS!”

      “What is a woman? Well these curvy people who smell nice and go by she/her pronouns and sometimes they have big meaty penises to suck, but only if you’re lucky.”

      “What is a woman? According to Donald Trump’s day 1 executive order; literally every American Citizen.”

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      That’s always what I figured, that they’d fumble if you turned the question around and asked them to define woman or man. Buncha chumps.

      E: le spelling

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        Nah, they have no issue with a tautological definition. “A woman is a female human that’s born a girl” makes perfect sense to anyone that’s asking anyone else to define what a woman is.

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          They had months to draft the definition in the executive order. Perhaps more than a year if it was started internally by Project 2025. They still fucked it up.

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    I didn’t consider this option, but it seems to be an easy fix to the whole gender thing. Everyone is female. period. *(no pun intended)

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    Silly Matthew, still believing that words written by Trump’s administration mean anything…
    Same mistake many opponents of the Nazis made in the beginning.
    Fascists don’t play by the rules, whatever they say or write only has meaning as long as it benefits them.
    When you point out inconsistencies in what they wrote yesterday, they laugh at you. And then they shoot you.

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      Can you imagine, an entire nation- identifying as female? I’d imagine their reaction would be similar to how Christian’s felt when they saw the Bible being removed from schools….

      “Nooooo! Not like that!”

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    It’s cool and all to dunk on their logical fallacies, but don’t think for one second that their poor wording will stop them from enacting untold violence against trans people.

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    Listen I get that these people have never taken a science class, but I damn well know at least some of them watched Jurassic Park.

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    …that’s not how that works.

    Early stages of development are bipotential, which means they could develop either way, they’re not initially female.

    Around 6-7 weeks, if carrying a Y chromosome carrying the gene SRY, they develop into testes. If there are two X chromosomes, then ovaries develop.

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                The point is, it’s binary. Non binary would mean there’s a lot of different options. There’s not. Just two.

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                  I know what you’re saying, but how is this any different than non-binary people that are between the binary of male and female…? Male and female are binary, but if at conception you are in an in-between state, that doesn’t get more non-binary lol.

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      Except it is pointless to talk about any of that, since the order defines what male and female means.

      Males are those belonging at conception to the sex producing small reproductive cells (aka sperm).

      Females are those belonging at conception to the sex producing large reproductive cells (aka eggs).

      Since at conception I (and everyone else) did not produce either, I am now neither male nor female according to the new definitions.

      These posts just show that the loudest people on the left are just as scientifically illiterate as the loudest people on the right :( I mean, it’s mostly just reading with understanding they fail at, not even lacking knowledge…

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        People too often forget that its as important to be critical of the things you believe in as well ad the things you don’t.

        You should be constantly questioning and reassessing your own beliefs.

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      But aren’t the sex chromosomes decided at the moment of conception (or even with the sperm/egg). They need to work on their bigotry, it’s frankly just basic biology. “their legal gender is their sex chromosomes upon conception”. Although that opens another can of worms for those people whose chromosomes don’t match their genitals, but I’m sure they can throw a few asterisks in there to sort that out.

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      Except in cases like Swyer syndrome where even with a Y chromosome, gonads won’t develop properly and the person will develop normal female genitals instead.

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        I looked more into Swyer syndrome, and, those who have it (out of 334 million, about 4 thousand people suffer from this) and it looks like they are female. I wasn’t able to find any studies where testosterone was given over estrogen, and female sex organs and female puberty is usually developed.

        Still, even if they were in a state of in-between forever, they still wouldn’t be anything other than in between the two options. There is no third option.

  • Now, I’m not gonna disagree with this but I reckon it’s a bit confusing to be changed so suddenly.

    Can we have an adaptation period? It’s gonna be tough to break the habit in such short notice.

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    I suppose there is also the argument to be made that Trump made everyone nonbinary, as a zygote has no apparent sex characteristics or gamete production, being a single cell.

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      ooo mister fancy french man here with the zygotes and the gametes and what-not.

      Proper MAGAt terminology is “gooblop” and “thingys”. Here’s your truck flag.