Obviously fake, but the response is a total non-sequitur to set up for the grindr but.
I view “guys” and “dudes” as gender neutral but when its directed towards me i start feeling like shit
“Cunt” it is, then.
Accidentally Australian /j
Cunt is singular, he should have used “cunts”.
or British…
At some point you need to take responsibility for your insecurities and work on moving past them rather then expecting society to placate you. Languages evolve, so if your end goal is gender equality (or even if its not), the best thing you can do is accept that words are context sensative and “dude” and “guys” can be neutral terms.
Alternatively, if a woman asks you not to call her a guy or a dude, respect that.
I’m so fucking sick of the neg culture that pretends to be politically correct. There’s malicious sexism and loads of assholes out there for sure but some feel emboldened to attack anyone they construe to be saying what they think is wrong regardless of context.
Someone will always be offended by absolutely fucking everything. They can go fuck themselves.
Hell, in the Irish TV series “Bad Sisters”, the women have called each other collectively “lads”. If that’s the kind of thing that grinds your gears, you’re better off surgically excising the part of your brain that deals with language comprehension, so you can never again understand anything being said to you.
*sensertif
*your
It’s not a problem until someone tells you to not refer to them as a dude or a guy. If you continue, you are just an asshole 🤷🏻
I mean I’ll be nice about it and correct to girls or ladies or whatever, but that conversation is probably over
Why? Because it’s so difficult for you to respect someone’s request that likely means way more to them than to you?
Understanding is a meeting in the middle. It’s reasonable to correct the record on how you as an individual would like to be gendered. It’s not reasonable to expect all of society to drop the use of a word that is colloquially accepted as gender neutral. At a certain point, your outrage is the antisocial behavior.
Not everyone uses “guys” like that, you’re assigning way too broad of usage to it. It’s also just not important enough to die on a hill for. Just be decent human it’s not hard. Accommodate one person who asked you because it means something to them. Why is this so hard for folks to get? Do you never tailor your language to your audience?
I think the amount of people who either (1) do not know the term to be gender neutral or (2) purposefully use it as a gendered term to anger people is less than 1%, honestly.
I live in a pretty conservative area, and I’m not exactly a leftist either, and I’ve never seen guys used in any way other than just as a generic for “you all”
it’s also just not important enough to die on a hill for
Cool, so we agree it’s silly to get so strung up over it, huh? Of course people tailor their language, it happens constantly. If someone is going to go out of their way to construe a perfectly normal part of speech as me being malignant and demand that I change my behavior for their benefit I’m going to tell them to fuck off, personally. If someone is respectful and asks tactfully…sure, I’ll adjust for them. Though internally I’ll be judging them for being a snowflake.
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I think you’ve completely misunderstood what everyone is saying because that’s exactly what everyone you’ve responded to, including myself, is saying that they would do.
Tailor their words for that conversation but move on to a different group of people from there. Not permanently tailoring the way they speak because it is highly unlikely that they’ll engage again.
I think it’s more that if you get annoyed at something like that, I would think you’re way too much of a hassle to be friends with long term. It’s just a matter of compatibility and the choice to filter out incompatible people in your social circle. It’s nothing personal.
You likely have no idea why that person said to stop and sometimes the right thing to do is just say “ok,” especially when the stakes are so low.
Let’s say you’re shooting off fireworks and it is scaring a neighbor. Do you tell them to get over it until they directly tell you they have PTSD from a conflict zone? Or do you just be a fucking reasonable person and stop?
Of course I would stop at their request, however if I were that person with PTSD, I wouldn’t expect the world to cater to my disabilities and strategise on how I could function in society by managing it. That’s what I currently do with my own PTSD and it makes me a stronger person for it.
Also, that’s hardly comparable to using the phrase “you guys” in a conversation. That phrase has always been gender neutral and far nicer sounding than “you people” or “you all”.
Edit: and also, yes I would have no idea on why the other party would take offence to the phrase “you guys” but I would also be under no obligation to establish a friendship with them beyond that conversation. I don’t expect someone I’ve just met to trauma dump on me and I don’t want them to.
Of course, I would correct myself in that conversation and not use the phrase “you guys” after they’ve told me not to use it, because it’s polite to do so, but that won’t stop me feeling that I can’t be myself around them.
I just told you I would respect it. But I don’t view “you guys” as something divisive. So yeah I don’t want to be around those people
Man if all it takes is a pretty basic language disagreement with somebody for you to not want to associate with them, you’re going to struggle to maintain a social life outside of MAGA fuckbois. And even then you’ll have to get used to them shrieking when you use the word “racist.”
Nah I’m doing pretty ok.
Also fuck maga
Then you’re clearly not as hardline as you’re pretending to be
I’m not pretending? And I’m also not hard-line
Well, there’s a massive difference between “don’t call me a guy” and someone saying “hey guys” to a group to have one member fire back a response about gendered terms
One of these is clear stating of respectful boundaries, the other one is just offloading (and very likely speaking for/over others) to score imaginary purity points
Sure, but we’re talking plurals of strangers atm. “Please don’t call me a guy going forward” is a different conversation than “what you just said is stupid, mean, and wrong”.
It’s the same picture?
No it really isn’t. One clearly and directly communicates a need. The other response shies away from that and insults without explaining why.
Drag… Supposes, that’s how it would look without applying much empathy. But if someone gets called something and says it’s bad, it must be clear they don’t like it. If they’re angry, that’s a kind of upset. It means they could be hurting. Drag would understand no matter how someone phrased it.
If the other party is 3, then yes. From adults I expect ability to differentiate between stating a need and throwing a tantrum.
Drag is very forgiving when a trans person is upset they’ve been misgendered. Growing up as the wrong gender is traumatic. It can literally give you cPTSD and personality disorders. Being triggered because you feel like you’re back in that situation is a completely understandable response. Drag uses gender neutral “guys”, but acknowledges that it’s a dangerous practice, and if you hurt someone then you need to own it. They don’t owe anyone politeness in that moment. If drag didn’t like that responsibility, drag wouldn’t take risks with other people’s mental health.
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This is fake and gay. Literally
Yeah, the fact that OP mentioned being at a party was sus. Nobody who posts on 4 Chan is ever invited to parties.
Yep, these are manufactured posts meant to create hate against women from something that never happened.
Yeah, 20 dudes is rookie numbers
Ikr? I’ve fucked more guys than that, and I’m straight
i mean, he is an anon.
I think he was referring to so far that night, right? Right?!?
People really dont understand how languages work. Even brother and man can be gender neutral. If you say “man, whyd you do that” thats gender neutral. Same with dude and guy.
gay men call each other sis and girl all the time too, for alternatives that go in reverse
But like…I think it goes beyond just gender specificity & is also an attempt to address the embedded patriarchy of our culture & language. Those interjection words being male of center as a default is something I wanna unpack, too.🤷🏽
Yes! Thank you for stating this.
As another comment said “queen” being gender neutral and coming from a word used for females originally. Also patriarchy is embedded in language but you cant really change it. Its always better to agree on a gender neutral phrase than have an infight(classic left wing moment…) and then revert to the previous gendered language because of it. We should all just speak hungarian, barely any gendered stuff in there(def not biased because its my mother tounge)
Idk about the rest of it but dude and guys can totally be gender neutral and i hate people that dont get that. Its such a bitchy thing to get mad about
claims they understand gendered language
describes someone as “bitchy”
Claims to understand language
doesn’t understand word is being used in a non-gendered manner… The verb is completely detached from the noun in normal use. You could say Elon musk is the world’s richest bitch and that would not be even insulting. That would be a side way to say he is exceedingly wealthy. If I said Elon Musk that rich bitch? then again, bitch would not be being used in a derogatory or gendered manner. If I said Elon musk is a massive bitch. Now we have finally arrived at an insult. Still not gendered.
Also queen, “James, you’re such an Excel queen”. I’ve seen this sort of use many times at my workplace. It doesn’t have anything to do with gender or sexual orientation.
It’s obviously more niche than “dude” but I’ve seen it before.
Whatever you say, girliepop
I’m a man but I love when people call me babygirl or something like that
Yo, something like that, send nudes
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Niiiiice. This is like porn in the 00s.
Is this the latest iteration of “tits or GTFO”? I haven’t been keeping up
It was a dad joke and you missed it.
And pussy, right?
This. I’ve got a fair few trans friends, and we’re all in agreement - unless it’s obvious we’re talking in gendered terms based on context, “dude”, “man”, “bro”, etc are just interjections, not reference to someone’s gender. And, when we are talking in gendered contexts, we tend to be pretty clear about that.
It’s really great that you have friends who are in a good enough place to not worry about that stuff.
Bro y u so wrong
Thats a joke right? Because youre getting downvoted, but you yourself called me bro without knowing my gender so it must be a joke or youre the most oblivious person ive ever seen.
Is jokes
I hope they’re joking, otherwise they need to get back to Facebook with the rest of their ilk.
Would be a classic facebook moment. Gender neutral guy is like singular they/them. “That is not natural bla bla bla, use he/she” and then you ask them “do you know who alex is” and they respond “no, i dont know who they are” which is using singular they or just assume their gender.
Wat?
Human … man, it’s a just shorter version 😉
Is woman short for womb-man?
I definitely use “guy” as gender neutral. I used to refer to women as “dude” as well, but it was a bit controversial so I stopped
I’m a dude. He’s a dude. She’s a dude. We’re all dudes!
I also follow the Less than Jake linguistic model.
We need a new word. I suggest blob
“Ladydudes” is the way to go.
Please dont ever call me ladydude, dude is fine 😅
Dudes and Dudettes
Ya’ll
That spelling is “ya[you] will” and I’ll brook no disagreement. As in, “ya’ll turn right at the Sunoco and go three more rights. Then it’ll be on ya left.”
The OTS is “y’all” for “you all.”
Yinz
If you must use a redneckism then at least put the apostrophe in the right place.
apostrophes are for stupid libs
/s
What yal’l talking 'bout?
You can’t tell me what to do. (But you are still correct…)
I have used y’all in a singular sense, then all of y’all in a plural sense before 🤦
All ya’ll drawl an appall.
That’s some deep south nonsense right there.
Gentlemen and gentle women.
if someone called me that, I would immediately throw up
That’s on you, ladydude
Hey, ladydude !
i was able to make it to the bathroom in time. this time…
Evolution
This is a good joke but it really lets itself down by switching from “guys” to “dudes” when it’s about the former word…
Those are rookie numbers
I always “y’all” and I’m not even from the south.
i’m from australia and i’ve adopted yall for exactly that reason
it also makes me real happy that some very transphobic shit heads would be furious if they knew that “their word” was part of the solution to gender neutral terminology
Y’all gives modern English the second person plural it would otherwise be missing
Missing? It is that part of speech! 😁 “You all,” the thing it conjoins, is proper English and the accurate thing to say. We do have it. We just refuse to try harder to be less patriarchal bc “guy” has less syllables. And most of the time it’s preceded by “you” anyway, so not even shorter. (If I’m wrong, someone please correct me)
I take the time to correct myself in meetings, “when can you guys- ahem you all” - no apology, bc I’m doing my best, and demonstrating in my actions.
What about youse?
Yousa bombad, meesa like muy muy!
I hate you with every fiber of my being
I’ve always been fond of “yinz”, despite never having been to Pittsburgh
Yinz welcome to try our chipped ham ‘n’at regardless
“You” used to be that word, but mfs didn’t wanna say “thou” anymore so “you” has to pull double duty now
In Ireland it’s still very common to use ‘ye’ for you plural.
Hear ye, hear ye.
The only two things the South got right were “y’all” and biscuits and gravy.
And chicken and waffles. And BBQ.
Honestly, not actually a fan of y’all, but they have some fantastic food.
Try some chicken and waffles when you get the chance - 5000 calories have never tasted so good.
Chicken and waffles are about as authentically southern as General Tso’s chicken is authentically Chinese.
In parts of the south “y’all” is singular. “All y’all” is plural.
As a super non-Southern USA guy, anytime I drop a “y’all” into convo, my Southerner friends say I’m not doing it right because I simply substitute all “you” instances with “y’all”.
I guess these friends don’t come from the singular-y’all part of the South.
What?
“Would ya’ll like a soda?” Vs. “Would all ya’ll like a soda?” - one of these means everyone shares one soda, the other means each person gets their own - but I don’t know which is which :O
You misspelled coke. Nobody says “soda” in the south, coke covers that. You have sprite coke, root beer coke, etc.
Y’all is a really good pronoun and I think more people should use it.
As someone from the west coast, I disagree.
Real and gay
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Which crypto bro told you trying to trick people in to making an account is a good idea?
Did you not reach your internet traffic quota?
Whoever programmed it
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