• notannpc@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    230
    ·
    5 days ago

    God our government is so fucking useless for anything that might actually help people.

    • nialv7@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      20
      ·
      edit-2
      4 days ago

      this is a direct consequence of the Supreme Court overturning the Chevron deference back in June. the appeals court has to apply the law. so you know who to blame.

      expect more cases like this in coming years…

      • werefreeatlast@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        2
        ·
        4 days ago

        Sarcastically speaking, if they want white only public bathrooms, that would be interesting. On the one hand people gave up their lives for us to have the freedom to go in the same places as white people. On the other hand… Its public restrooms!

    • PhAzE@lemmy.ca
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      21
      ·
      4 days ago

      It’s currently not fill with people who want to help “prople”. It currently is setup to help corporate America only at this point. At the expense of your rights.

      • Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        5
        ·
        4 days ago

        You know, in Germany there are some (we call them Reichsbürger ~ Empire Citizens) that believe the allied installed a puppet government in Germany and we are actually a GmbH (equivalent to US LLCs according to Wikipedia) called the Bundesrepublik Deutschland GmbH and a kind of proof should be that are ID cards are called “Personalausweis” which could be taken as Personal (eng. Employee) and Ausweis (eng. Identification).

        The US basically does all of the Corpo things those conspiracy nuts see into the German government.
        From the BS corp politics down to the office rumors.

        • PM_Your_Nudes_Please@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          5
          ·
          edit-2
          4 days ago

          Sounds a lot like American sovereign citizens. SovCits believe America is a corporation that was set up on top of the Articles of Confederation, (which was the precursor to the American Constitution). They basically believe that they can refuse to do business with the “corporation” (government) and be able to break any laws that aren’t written in the Articles of Confederation.

          It’s where the “I’m not driving, I’m traveling” memes come from, because the articles of confederation mentioned a right to freely travel. So the SovCits think they can drive without a valid license or vehicle registration, which leads to lots of police dashcam footage of SovCits getting tased during traffic stops when they become irate or try to flee.

          • Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            1
            ·
            4 days ago

            Basically the US equivalent.
            Afaik they (try to) have their own IDs, car license plates and many more things.
            But they are also dangerous folks as they like to arm themselves with guns (which are obviously uncommon to have as a regular citizen).

        • vane@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          1
          ·
          4 days ago

          Technically speaking every country is a company and government is supervisory board elected by citizens that are owners that pay wages that are called tax. Just the purpose of country establishement is different or used to be different before 21th century. Right now the differentce is not so much visible as it was 100 or even 1000 years ago where people that were government leaders (kings, princes, lords, army generals) fought with people for independence and human rights. Right now elected people are no different than influencers or actors. They just do stuff to get to the table, not more not less.

    • btaf45@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      16
      ·
      4 days ago

      God our government is so fucking useless for anything that might actually help people.

      More specifically: gop.gov

    • Snapz@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      3
      ·
      edit-2
      3 days ago

      This isn’t “our government” these are the oligarch’s meatbags purchased for surprisingly low dollar amounts. These men (and women that silently stand next to them until they are told they are allowed to speak) are cowards and traitors. They are not “our government”

      Your post is the right energy, wrong message.

    • werefreeatlast@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      4
      ·
      4 days ago

      One could go for a hundred years and not touch this shit. But nah. Some dirtbag judge asshole actively working to fuck us all over.

    • floofloof@lemmy.ca
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      3
      ·
      4 days ago

      That’s because they’re not even trying to help people, except people who can pay.

    • arglebargle@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      38
      ·
      4 days ago

      Wait! You will get in trouble for that. Instead you need to have an LLC that does that for Profit somehow. Then all is forgiven!

    • chiliedogg@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      10
      ·
      4 days ago

      Put hundreds of them in a pretty boxes, form an LLC, get a few VCs to sign on, flip the switch, then charge a monthly fee to “open previously-inacessible service areas to cellular customers” and you’ll have a successful startup!

    • finitebanjo@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      17
      ·
      4 days ago

      Ah but technically it’s still illegal to disrupt emergency services and also leaves you liable to lawsuits.

      But yeah, the FCC in particular can’t stop you from doing that.

    • rumba@lemmy.zip
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      7
      ·
      4 days ago

      Hold on, GumpyDuckling… checks clipboard tsk tsk, I see here you’re not wealthy enough to effectively lobby to get us in trouble; I’m afraid that’ll be a $10,000 fine.

  • BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    137
    ·
    5 days ago

    Their excuse is that telecom services aren’t actually providing telecom services, but information services.

    If that doesn’t make sense to you, it’s because you aren’t brain-damaged.

  • Blackout@fedia.io
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    128
    ·
    5 days ago

    All laws protecting the people’s interests are now banned. Don’t like it? Well become a billionaire and maybe the supreme Court will care

    • katy ✨
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      34
      ·
      5 days ago

      otoh:

      Mike Masnick @mmasnick.bsky.social‬

      I mean, this is a terrible (if unsurprising) decision, but I’m left wondering how Brendan Carr is going to still try to claim regulatory authority over social media companies…

      There is no possible consistency between “ISPs can throttle and block, but edge services cannot…” ‪nilay patel‬ ‪@reckless.bsky.social‬

      2h

      Sixth Circuit decision striking down net neutrality doesn’t even remotely pass the sniff test lol www.opn.ca6.uscourts.gov/opinions.pdf

      January 2, 2025 at 3:11 PM

      https://bsky.app/profile/mmasnick.bsky.social/post/3lerv476tes22

        • Bumblefumble@lemm.ee
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          39
          ·
          5 days ago

          Trump wants to weaponise the FCC to go against social media companies who “ban free speech” or whatever, just like Elon complained about before buying Twitter, and like all other right wingers are so mad about. But if the FCC doesn’t have any authority to regulate ISPs, why should it have authority to regulate social media companies. Not that the courts seem to care about precedent anymore, but that’s the silver lining they are looking for.

          • UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            1
            ·
            3 days ago

            Like trying to pass gun control with a political party vocally advocating for the purge? Or after a insurrection? or after police brutality across the nation captured on high definition cameras during a protest about police brutality?

            www.socialistRA.org

      • pdxfed@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        14
        ·
        edit-2
        4 days ago

        They’re trying to ban tiktok. I’ve never used it but it’s just because it’s Chinese, social media from any other company based in any other country is just as fucked and unhealthy and unregulated in the US, but they are going to ban it specifically for its country of origin. China pills a lot of weight and the company tiktok is powerful and fighting it in court and all but it seems pretty obvious it’ll go through even under current admin watch–let alone when a direct competitor and owner of Xitter owns the White House.

        While yes, you’re logistically correct it would be very difficult to shut down the whole Internet, that’s not the goal, the goal is to massively control it and enshittify it beyond your worst dreams.

        Look to China and Russia for "internet"TM

        • shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          7
          ·
          edit-2
          4 days ago

          Fair point. But I just believe it goes to show that more websites need to be available on the darknet. Not because it’s a scary or bad place to be, but because it can’t be censored. Not nearly as easily, anyway. Top level domains can very easily be seized by the domain registrar or ICANN, etc. But since onion domains use keys, it’s impossible to seize them without seizing the server they run on.

          The vast majority of people are woefully ill-prepared for an adversarial internet.

        • Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          1
          ·
          4 days ago

          I’m not one for conspiracy theories but I could see where some come from that TikTok is made to dumb down the generation and make them even more addicted than local versions (FB, IG, YT).
          And with how much weight is behind Tiktok they are probably a very good entry for outside adversaries into local networks.

          I mean how many have installed AliExpress or WeChat on their phone? Not many have gizmo apps from China (like DJI) but TikTok? Oh boy a fuckload of people have that.

    • Botzo@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      28
      ·
      5 days ago

      But they’ll call it freedom of speech. Speech someone/corp paid for of course, but Citizens United…

  • katy ✨
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    88
    ·
    5 days ago

    comes a time when blue states just need to draw the line and flat out refuse to follow federal laws and judges until federal judges stop being corrupt.

    • w3dd1e@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      45
      ·
      5 days ago

      They do it for marijuana laws but won’t treat anything else like that. I don’t understand.

      • katy ✨
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        21
        ·
        5 days ago

        most blue states send more than they receive; all they have to do is stop sending money back to the federal government and red states would go broke.

        • Bronzebeard@lemm.ee
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          7
          ·
          5 days ago

          The states never see that money though. It’s directly from blue state workers’ paychecks and never passes through state owned bank accounts.

    • cm0002@lemmy.worldOP
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      18
      ·
      5 days ago

      I really ought to set up that community meshnet I keep thinking about setting up…

      Oh hey, I keep thinking about doing this to and hosting a website like the old days lol, but when I search about it the biggest thing that comes up is like LoRa, but ig it’s too slow for hosting internet-like services

      • jimerson@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        13
        ·
        5 days ago

        Meshtastic is 80% geeky fun hobby, 20% preparedness, and 0% ready to facilitate anything more than simple text messages. Still neat, though.

        • FartsWithAnAccent@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          2
          ·
          edit-2
          4 days ago

          Yeah, we’ve got some T-decks and so far it’s only been a novelty and the intended purpose is just so we can text from a decent distance if infrastructure goes down. Will probably also see some occasional use camping as a backup for our radios with a T-beam attached to a bear bag up in a tree as a relay.

          • jimerson@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            2
            ·
            4 days ago

            That’s true, but from what I’ve seen they haven’t really been a standard in the nodes that folks are building.

  • db2@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    49
    ·
    5 days ago

    Is this really shocking with the incoming sadministration?

    That’s not a typo.

    • Bassman1805@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      1
      ·
      4 days ago

      Comment section tries not to blame Biden for actions taken by the judicial branch, with judges appointed by Bush and Trump. Difficulty: Impossible.

  • Optional@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    36
    ·
    5 days ago

    In its opinion, a three-judge panel pointed to a Supreme Court decision in June, known as Loper Bright, that overturned a 1984 legal precedent that gave deference to government agencies on regulations.

    “Applying Loper Bright means we can end the F.C.C.’s vacillations,” the court ruled.

    “Nyyeaahh nyyeaah nyyeaaaahh ppffthhhhthhth!!” they said.

  • solsangraal@lemmy.zip
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    23
    ·
    5 days ago

    tbf it’s not hard to convince hayseed chucklefuck trumplings that regulations which exist to protect them are a bad thing because they cost money. we had condo buildings collapsing and people dying WITH regulations.

    when bridges start collapsing left and right, they’ll blame drag queens and the maga trumpistan patriots will lap it up like hogs at the trough

    • MelodiousFunk@slrpnk.net
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      6
      ·
      5 days ago

      we had condo buildings collapsing and people dying WITH regulations.

      Further proof that regulations don’t work! The Invisible Sky Daddy Hand shalt self-correct! All is right with the world! Praise be unto The Market, may its blessed Line forever Go Up.

      Now, let us prey.

  • MyOpinion@lemm.ee
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    20
    ·
    5 days ago

    This is ridiculous how difficult it is to get this law through. Clearly it must be something good. I am 100% behind it.

    • FaceDeer@fedia.io
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      6
      ·
      5 days ago

      The problem is that it isn’t a law, it’s a regulation.

      On the one hand, the Republicans are definitely playing politics by attacking the ability of agencies to come up with regulations. But on the other, it really is just another example of how various parts of the US government have been ceding or delegating their responsibilities around willy-nilly in ways that weren’t constitutionally intended. Congress hasn’t made a declaration of war since 1942, despite all the wars the US has entered into since then. The Supreme Court was never even intended to decide the constitutionality of laws, that’s something they declared for themselves and everyone’s just gone along with it since then. The debt ceiling limit is just plain incoherent, Congress allocates money so a budget they pass should automatically override previous legislation (like the debt ceiling limit).

      I don’t know what the US should do to resolve all this, but it’s getting to be quite the mess.

      • Maggoty@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        4
        ·
        5 days ago

        Setting up a Commission and giving it regulatory power is very much in the power of Congress. The Constitution literally says

        Congress shall have the power … To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.

        So they are well within their rights to pass a law setting up the FCC to promulgate regulations based on the Telecommunications Act. They are also well within their rights to pass a law recognizing the President’s emergency military power, restraining it, and formalizing the process to declare war with different words. Both of which are things they have done. The FCC didn’t magic this shit out of nowhere, and Iraq and Afghanistan were the result of Congressional votes in favor of an AUMF, as outlined in the War Powers Act.

        This idea that shit happens willy-nilly is fucking propaganda meant to normalize it so people don’t think it’s weird when a corrupt politician tries it.

        • FaceDeer@fedia.io
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          2
          ·
          5 days ago

          So they are well within their rights to pass a law setting up the FCC to promulgate regulations based on the Telecommunications Act.

          The Supreme Court apparently disagreed, both in this specific case and more generally when the Supreme Court overturned the Chevron deference doctrine. The Supreme Court basically said “if an agency is going to make a regulation it needs to be very specifically based on a law that says they can do that.” So they’re saying that Congress is going to have to pass some actual laws about net neutrality before the FCC can make regulations enforcing it. The fact that agencies have been making those regulations without laws backing them up is the problem here.

          Iraq and Afghanistan were the result of Congressional votes in favor of an AUMF, as outlined in the War Powers Act.

          That happened, sure. I’m saying it shouldn’t have. The US went to war without a declaration of war, which is something that should be made by Congress. By passing generic “the President can bomb whatever he wants to” legislation Congress is shirking a responsibility that’s supposed to be theirs.

          If you want to have a government where the President is in charge of deciding when to go to war, go ahead and have one. By setting up a constitution that says that’s how it’s supposed to work. Don’t have a constitution that says “here’s how war is supposed to be declared” and then just go do something else instead of that.

          • Maggoty@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            1
            ·
            edit-2
            4 days ago

            Ahh yes the people who openly take bribes from the wealthy elite ruled that the government can not regulate the wealthy elite. I’m so surprised. Are we listening to the Fox’s opinions on gate to the chicken roost too now?

            It’s in plain text for all to see. This isn’t some highly technical debate that this court was the first to see the light on. Chevron was 4 decades old and has supporting decisions from the supreme courts reaching back to st least the 1940’s. But sure, these guys saw something different suddenly. And it had nothing to do with the massive amounts of money they’ve received from billionaires.

            And no. Not using the specific words, “declaration of war” doesn’t mean anything. Congress had to pass the AUMF bills the same as a declaration of war. Declaring open war was always a possibility.

            • FaceDeer@fedia.io
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              1
              ·
              4 days ago

              I’m not making any statements here about what’s “right” or “good”, I’m just saying what is. The US government is operating in ways not intended by the constitution. At least not clearly intended. If you want to interpret that as me taking a position then it would be that they should fix their constitution. Until they do that then their government will be unstable and unpredictable.

              • Maggoty@lemmy.world
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                1
                ·
                4 days ago

                Here’s the section again.

                Congress shall have the power … To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.

                If they deem the regulatory power of agencies like the FCC to be necessary to carry out something in the entire list of powers I ellipsed; then it is constitutional. And no amount of “fixing” would work as long as we have a captured court ignoring the Constitution, straight up lying about it and about history.

                • FaceDeer@fedia.io
                  link
                  fedilink
                  arrow-up
                  1
                  ·
                  4 days ago

                  So you’re saying that it’s the courts that are behaving incorrectly according to their role in the constitution? If so, that doesn’t change the underlying point I’m making here.

  • cm0002@lemmy.worldOP
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    14
    ·
    5 days ago

    Does anyone know where President Muskrat stands on NN? Maybe there might be some silver lining there in that whole shit show :(

  • Wahots@pawb.social
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    12
    ·
    5 days ago

    I was surprised that it wasn’t the fifth circuit, then my shock faded: the sixth administers Ohio, Kentucky and Tennessee, as well as Michigan.

    • Rentlar@lemmy.ca
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      3
      ·
      5 days ago

      The very first thing I checked for is which circuit it was, too, haha…

      Of course the Loper Bright decision is going to be used to prevent federal agencies with helping improving anything. Judges be like “You can’t rein in this corporate abuse because there’s an app for it, bro. Totally different!”