Careful, .world admins don’t like people mentioning jury nullification
You mean that very legal and factually-suppprted facet of the American justice system that every juror should be informed about before making a decision in court?
They revised mod policy to only hand out bans/deletions if jury nullification was referenced as a cause to vilence, not a reaction o past events. I’m paraphrasing, of course.
Yeah, basically
“Go do [Violence] and we’ll do jury nullification afterwards” is bad, bur
“[Violence happened], but it was justified in the eyes of the majority of people so jury Nullification should happen”
Is OK
We should all completely cease talking about it. It, of course being jury nullification.
Why? Seems like something people should know about.
I think that message was a sort of sarcastic way of getting around a “dont talk about jury nullification” rule, in that saying “we cant talk about x”, while making it very clear what x is, prompts people unfamiliar with x to go look it up
Ding ding ding. Ding, of course being jury nullification
Because the refusal to convict someone based on laws and circumstances you feel are unjust is wrong and goes against everything the ruling class have fought for.
But if also a cornerstone. (For better and worse–it got and still gets used to excuse people who commit hate crimes, for example.)
The “good ol’ boy” excuse.
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“He’s got a promising life ahead of him!”
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“It’s just how things are done, that ain’t his fault!”
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“He just didn’t know any better!”
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“We’ve all done stupid things before, who are we to judge?”
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“He’s a pillar of the community, think of all the good he’s done!”
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Good time to switch away from .world
The policy was cleared up, basically EU/Dutch/Finnish law doesn’t like Jury Nullification in regards to future crimes/calls to violence. But in regards to crimes already committed it’s fine. And being as that’s where .world is hosted, that’s the law they go by.
I don’t care, already left
Bunch of bootlickers
.world admins are weird
Time for some #Anarchism at lemmy.dbzer0.com
Switched to dbzer0 straight after seeing a mod try and justify the censorship of this topic by saying something along the lines of “only God can judge.”
Now I get to enjoy aaaall the content world has defederated from.
To clarify, the admins have updated their views in reaction to this week and user feedback:
Following a discussion in our team we want to clarify that we are no longer requesting moderators to remove content relating to jury nullification in the context of violent crimes when the crime in question already happened. We will still consider suggestions of jury nullification for crimes that have not (yet) happened as advocation for violence, which is violating our terms of service.
They specifically said it’s okay in reference to crimes already committed.
What is the reasoning? Is there any?
You really think every person in real life goes ahead with supporting this murder just because you heard enough people online repeating this in this echo chamber?
No. Everybody knows that some people stand up for mass murderers, so long as they do it by enough proxy layers.
Plenty of people betray society for want of looking down on others
It goes well beyond any one echo chamber, I still have Xitter and peruse TikTok from time to time. It was/is everywhere across the political spectrum
Bro there are Ben Shapiro watchers mad at him for shilling for big corporate interests in the reporting over this story. They agree with the killer too lol
Yeah, they seem to…
I’ve definitely heard both sides of the argument from people who are in no way rich. This is an echo chamber on anti-wealth issues. What people agree on is getting rid of health insurance.
Upon further investigation, officers recovered a firearm on the man, as well as a suppressor, both consistent with the weapon used in the murder.
Ummm… That’s awfully convenient. He just happened to have brought that exact gun with its suppressor to McDonald’s. I’m skeptical.
How do you not throw the gun away before leaving the city?? The ID was apparently on him too
Exactly this. He pulls off the hit, escapes without a trace. But is somehow dumb enough to carry convicting evidence on him still while in a very public location?
Anyone would know to dump the evidence and lay low for a good while.
Toss that shit in a river and go back to your life like nothing happened.
Laying low and hiding just makes people suspicious. If the cops come looking and your work and friends haven’t seen you since the shooting, you look guilty as fuck.
Leave no trace and go back to your life. Looks way more plausible that you just took a mini vacation that way.
People online are saying he was expecting to get caught - Hence the YouTube video he released.
A real shame, his expectations lead to the outcome.
Ooh there’s a youtube video? First I’ve heard of this. Do you have a link handy?
channel it was uploaded onto https://web.archive.org/web/20241209203920/https://www.youtube.com/@PepMangione might be him, probably not him, although interestingly its now a 404 page.
also reupload by poser: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6PSrcw1Jaw
Maybe he wanted to get caught so they dont find a scapegoat.
…or maybe the police just found their scapegoat
Really weird scapegoat - super connected and wealthy family from Maryland? 40k a year private school? Cousin that’s hardcore conservative and holds an elected office?
Someone got leveraged
I’m honestly willing to believe him being dumb founded for the last week, fully expecting to have been caught and said fuck it, better me than someone innocent.
You throw away the gun after leaving the city. In the middle of nowhere
From the video, it sounded like they searched his residence and found it there.
Don’t forget, they basically found a long drawn out letter about how much dislike he has for CEOs - something along those lines.
We all know that just what you go around carrying after you pulled off a crime like that.
We can’t let the media take the narrative back and let them do a smear campaign on this person who might not even be the shooter. He’s a suspect.
This ceo shooting broke the proverbial spell where what the population was actually saying wasn’t being guided or swayed by the news.
We need to keep the steam up on the media pushback. All those savage, snarky comments and memes left on every news article, fb post, tweet… they got overwhelmed by us. That needs to keep happening so they can’t go back to distracting and brainwashing people with fear and politics while they scapegoat this guy and try to make an example of him to the rest of us plebs.
They already tried to distract us with aliens and Diddy because people won’t stop saying how much they hate insurance companies. Keep voicing your discontent where ever they leave an open comment box. Please do it. Not only is it cathartic, but it upsets the oligarchs and everytime you upset an oligarch someone’s insurance is less likely to deny their claim.
This isnt the guy. This is their scapegoat. What I could read he seems to be a foreigner. Also the first part of the article is hilarious. Fucking cop who been on the job no more than 6 months and fellow officer saw this guy and just knew they have the right man no doubt in their minds didn’t think twice. Fucking doesn’t look like the killer even a little bit. Bunch fuck ups. Poor guy.
Edit: so guy isn’t a foreigner, but he isn’t the killer either.
just knew they have the right man no doubt in their minds
As a crim minor, this is the start to every documentary they show you about coerced confessions that have been discovered as false
^ Such a fucking delusional post. Jesus fuck.
Get ratio’d shill.
Wait hang on what aliens
Just a nothing statement from the pentagon with a click bait title. It was a waste of internet space honestly.
I’ll save you a Google… the pentagon doesn’t know what ufos are.
Bunch of weird stuff going on above NJ right now. Governor made an address after 21 mayors demanded answers. Military has been going nuts East of Ocean City and the South part of NJ.
Been going on since end of November, def not related to The Adjuster.
God I wish dem aliens were real, if they were they’d have more than just “Hey guise, aliens might be real amybe”
Reading the coverage from mainstream Media is wild. Only The Guardian was brave enough to provide the other perspective that didn’t paint the CEO in some ultra kind light. But maybe it’s because they’re not based in the US.
I’d like to send out a special “Fuck you” to the asshole that called this tip in, whether it turns out to be the real shooter or not. I can’t imagine being such a piece of trash to go do that.
Yeah, fuck that person as much as the wealthy. There’s nothing worth less than a worthless taint licker.
Hopefully whoever called the tip gets doxxed.
holy fuck No!
I mean, if you have a better incentive to discourage class traitors, go ahead. I’m hoping for what little we have.
It’s a pretty normal thing to do. If you’re just living your life like you’re supposed to, doing your job like your supposed to and listening to the news like you’re supposed to. Than you don’t know any better than to turn in a wanted criminal when you see him, because you trust the state and the police to be good and do the right thing. You can’t blame them for being perfectly conditioned by the multi billion dollar machine of the state, because it’s not an easy thing to escape.
Maybe if we created a culture of shaming bootlickers, more people would understand that bootlicking is wrong because it would be easier to be exposed to that information.
$50k is too good to pass up. But my conscience probably won’t sleep well for the rest of my life if I ratted the suspect.
Then it’s worth passing up.
I always wondered if you end up getting the reward. I bet there is some stupid rule that voids it.
“Oooh, you called, but you didn’t call it in at 3:54 on a Tuesday and request to speak to Detective Dingleberry while playing Cranberries in the background”
It’s the same old theme. Since 1916.
No it’s not
“Wow! 100k is a lot” No, in the grand scheme of things in 2024, it is not.
I don’t live in the States so I thought $50k is a lot. But it seems to corroborate about what I read that vaguely stating “I am earning six figures” will not impress anyone anymore. This does show the growing inequality and worsening inflation in the US.
Sub link says it was an elderly employee. So that could mean either they were in dire straits with their own cost of living looking for $50k, they were working for a social outlet during retirement, or they hold a strong belief in a US that [didn’t actually] existed for white people 25+ years ago… The first is more empathetic of course but i can’t help but feel this is yet another “olds screwing the youngs” situation.
But seriously, fuck Burger King
Whopper > Big Mac
These companies don’t care about you, or your kids, or your grandkids. They have zero qualms about burning down the planet for a buck, so why should we have any qualms about burning them down to survive?
We’re animals just like everything else on this planet, except we’ve forgotten the law of the jungle and bend over for our overlords when any other animal would recognize the threat and fight to the death for their survival. “Violence never solved anything” is a statement uttered by cowards and predators.
(Quote from a book review made by the suspect)
A book review of the Unibomber manifesto! 4/5 stars lol
Why not 5/5?
He saw room for improvement.
I think they specifically mention less collateral deaths
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The Unibomber had the right idea but his methods were sloppy and he was so messily indiscriminate with his targets that it and undermined his message.
The Unabomber had the right idea
Have you read his manifesto? Especially the first part? Dude would have voted Trump and been first in line on Jan 6.
5/7. Perfect.
I can’t believe they tracked down his Goodreads account. The internet truly never ceases to amaze.
One article I read included the title of this book but I didn’t note it down. Do you know the book title? It had to do with healthcare insurance claims and how to navigate them.
Catching the suspect came down to “good old-fashioned police work,” New York Mayor Eric Adams said Monday, citing the McDonald’s employee who called in a tip.
Lol, you mean someone hitting the “easy” button and telling cops where he is? That’s “police work”? Waiting around for someone to do the work for you?
Edit: I wouldn’t want to be the person collecting the reward for the arrest of this individual.
Good old fashioned police work: either waiting for someone else to do the work, or setting up some poor sad sack to pin the crime on.
Didn’t Eric recently announce he was switching parties to the GOP? Sounds like a good Republican Police Force, solve no problems, just wait around for someone to blame.
Spineless. Just another political bootlicker.
This is how the republicans become The Party, no different than the Communist Party being The Party in the USSR. They become what they hated. Loyalty to The Party above all else.
Apparently he did it out of a combination of racism against hispanics and Trump winning the erection.
Trump winning the erection.
Not a contest I want to see. The election was bad enough.
At this point I’m convinced they just give it to whoever has the bigger cock, which is why Trump can only win against women but the second another man shows up he can’t quite compare…
I"m barely kidding.
A bunch of rich people were scared. Now we are about to see a bunch of theater to make them all feel safe and good about treating the peasants poorly. Mark my words.
Until the next.
All I want for Christmas is a next.
They should stay scared. This is far from over.
Honestly he was so smart to be able to get away basically undetected. After I reflected on it for a bit, there’s no way he would unintentionally be presenting the same fake ID, manifesto and carrying all the stuff he had. It seems deliberate.
Luigi will be remembered as the one who took on American Healthcare and actually did something about it, even if the full weight of billionaire-owned media and the full force of the law is going to be dumped on him.
Fuckin’ snitches.
No wait, hang on, you’re telling me that this guy managed to get out of New York City after committing one of the most high profile killings ever and instead of laying low and waiting for the news to blow over he got caught in a McDonalds during an active manhunt with a fake I.D., the murder weapon, and a manifesto all on his person? Either he wanted to get caught, or I smell a scapegoat here. Can’t have America’s oldest gang losing face in front of their corporate sponsors, now can we?
We’ll see if he gets Epsteined before the trial
Officer Tyler Frye, who has only been on the job for about six months, and a fellow officer responded to the McDonald’s where the suspect was spotted, the AP reports.
They asked him to pull his blue medical mask down and “recognized him immediately” Frye said. “We didn’t even think twice about it, we knew that was our guy.”
Frye said, “It feels good to get a guy like that off the street, especially starting my career this way, it feels great.”
Yeah… Great job. I’m sure your corporate overloads will appreciate it.
They asked him to pull his blue medical mask down and “recognized him immediately” Frye said. “We didn’t even think twice about it, we knew that was our guy.”
How? That guy could have come up to and knocked on my door, told me he was the guy while showing me the picture of him at Starbucks, and insisted he was the dude, and I still would have serious doubts. How the hell did someone at McDonald’s recognize him, call the police, and the police knew it was the suspect instantly with complete confidence?
Oh, ho hooo! Is funny because his corporate overlords will not appreciate it or recognise him at all! Ohhhh…
Yeah thanks for coming, Fouad.
man I miss family guy. I’m going to pretend it hasn’t jumped the shark and that it ended at like season 3 or after the first chicken fight or whatever twenty years ago
That’s about when it DID end… Then it got revived.
It did indeed! The more recent seasons are back to classic balls to the wall Fam Guy. Taking the piss and great cutaways. Please check it out.
I remember it being good after the reboot for a few years… then I got to college and kind of just stopped watching TV.
Tyler Frye… an name to remember. None of us!
Please, do not expect much from a cop, especially novbakita.
Ugh, was hoping they’d never catch him.
Not looking forward to the upcoming demonization of him by the news.
Tear apart his manifesto, pull up some kooky tweets and his bed is made, next up they’ll find CP on his phone or some shit 🤦♂️I really wonder why he’d keep walking around with the same gun, same fake ID and manifesto though. Did he want to get caught???
Tinfoil hat time: with the police looking increasingly incompetent with no suspect or leads, the first person apprehended who vaguely resembles the shooter is provided with a free ghost gun, fake ID, and manifesto. It’s all just too “slam dunk” perfect for me to not question it.
Nah, its quite difficult to forge bodycam videos. This isn’t the older era of “just put things in the person’s pocket and arrest him”. Too many cameras would be hard to plant so many items without getting caught.
Unless its a blackmail and he was coerced to become a scapegoat, its very hard to plant the evidence.
But if the body cam footage is missing for some reason, I’m gonna be very sus of this.
I don’t think that’s true at all. If anything, the perception that body cameras make the evidence found more solid actually increases the chances that evidence will be planted.
Multiple times now we have seen that these cameras do not record continuously. They have triggers like when the cop pulls a gun or shoots but otherwise need to be manually activated. And a lot of the time the cop knows the camera and will plant evidence before pretending to “discover” it on tape.
And we’re not talking about some random stop here. If this were to be a cover up type thing, it’d be much more carefully done. I mean not finding this guy would both embarrass police to an extreme degree and also encourage other people to do this stuff.
Whatever you do, do not underestimate the fact that elites want police to keep them safe and if some random person has to take the fall so they can say they caught someone, that’s absolutely what they’ll do.
IIRC Baltimore got caught that way twice. I’m too lazy to google the other incident now though.
I always have a heightened sense of skepticism because of the fact that I came from an authoritarian and got lied to. PRC, Tiananmen, ya know the deal…
That being said, I don’t think that every time the governemnt says something, its always a lie, or every time cops finds a perpetrator, its a scapegoat. Sometimes, government does tell the truth (keyword: “sometimes”). Sometimes, people do get caught.
But in my brain, events are never recorded as “This is 100% true” but more like “This is probably true according to the information I know, but there’s also a chance it isnt real”
Like, theres no way we even know if history is real. Maybe the entire human history was fabricated. We never know. But its really hard to go through life thinking “Everything is a lie” so I’ll just go with “Its probably true, but theres a chance it is a lie”
Ya get what I’m saying?
Nevertheless, whether this guy is the resl perpetrator or a scapegoat, ya bet I’d nullify this shit if I got on the Jury.
I thought so too, but if that’s the case, why would they have him “Found” on a McD’s after a call from a bystander?*
Doesn’t really make the cops look competent, now does it?*Bystander or McD employee? The news sources seem conflicted on this…
The local police responded and are holding the suspect for NYPD while they travel to interview the suspect.
The US is too good at destroying people’s reputation, yeah. This guy is gonna get vilified hard (whether he did it or not).
Already people are at it coming up with reasons not to like this guy. Are we really expecting someone with perfect morals to suddenly come up with a plan to assissinate a CEO, execute it almost flawlessly and flee?
This guy doesn’t have to be my friend. I don’t really care if he admired right-wingers. Honestly almost everyone (including me) will have goofy stuff that you can bring up to discredit them. Are we not allowed to acknowledge the good that has happened since the shooting because this guy’s book review, a deranged college-age tweet, his preppy upbringing or whatever? We can’t acknowledge that authorizations have somehow gotten faster and denial rates plummeted? That a shitty restriction on anesthesiologist time was reversed? A national conversation was started on how strangely focused America media is on covering certain stories and aspect of that story compared to others? That for once the radical left and radical right could somehow agree on something?
These are the questions swirling through my head today. My hope is most people will see through the bullshit, and how to actually effect change quickly is to put real pressure on the top of the organization, preferably through non-violent means, in ways that truly remind them they are not immune from the damage they cause in search of ever-increasing profit.
lol exactly.
I can appreciate his contribution without endorsing his every single facet.It seems to me that social media, through the implementation of posts, likes, up- & down- votes, boosts, re-tweets, and etc., has created an unconscious universal belief that everyone gets a say on what and who is right or wrong through public idolizing or shaming. Masses of people that hold much worse opinions on a daily basis criticize others for saying or doing something that is divergent and exposed. People in the public are held to an undefined standard of perfection. In practice, people assess if they like someone or not, then surgically find anything to support that conviction. Without a bond to the figure or personal consequences to the castigator, understanding and compassion are prevailed over by resentment and hypocritical airs of moral superiority. Public figures become the target of everyone’s unresolved unconscious personal social gripes.
You’re right, this is very destructive.
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He saw the problem but had no idea what to do for solutions and the ones society was feeding him (he didn’t come up with that on his own) are bullshit. But society won’t tell you about Baudrillard.
This is something people need to get better at seeing. If we want to reach these people we need to understand what’s happening when they say things like this. We also, ourselves, need to understand this stuff so we can speak intelligently about it. You know the media and powers that be never will.
I don’t fully agree with him here, but I see where he’s coming from and respect his opinion. Personally I think these cultural elements are driven by material conditions, and that it would be better to address the underlying problem of social alienation and capitalist exploitation directly.
With the whole thing of the monopoly money…I think he wanted to be found to make a statement
He made it all the way to middle-of-nowhere PA, but he was still carrying all the evidence on him? Sounds like they found Spartacus
Yeah the real killer would NEVEr ditch evidence. what a stupid person that would take! /s
These companies don’t care about you, or your kids, or your grandkids. They have zero qualms about burning down the planet for a buck, so why should we have any qualms about burning them down to survive?
This gave me a raging boner
RIP that McDonald’s. They just dug their own grave.
It’s getting review bombed lol
McDonald’s
Edit: Google is removing all reviews from today
The townsfolk are going to know, and word spreads
Something something stiches
Legitimately I would quit if I worked there.
It’s not worth working at a place so many hate already, add this on top and I’ll be surprised if it doesn’t get burned down for association with the employee.
Most people can’t afford to quit. This is such a fucking useless comment.
Smh the Burger King keeps the ‘g’ in G code 🤞 they wouldn’t go out like this
