As per .world worldnews mod, no discussing naughty stuff like jury nullification.
While this post is blowing up, here’s the book referenced by the shooter:
Delay Deny Defend - Why Insurance Companies Don’t Pay Claims and What You Can Do About It
By request: Full, uncensored video of the shooting. (Fucking obviously NSFW)
Nullification is your duty when the law is unjust. Also not illegal
Exactly.
wtf
Jury nullification is legal.
Yep. Mods power hungry just like on reddit. Federated platforms exist to not have to deal with this BS.
Jury nullification has always been a hot topic on Reddit, so of course it’s going to continue as a hot topic on Lemmy. The percentage of American Reddit and Lemmy users who know about jury nullification is doubtless at a statistically significant higher rate than the whole of the American public.
That said, you guys must know that not all people are comfortable with murder, even when it involves an asshole. And that is a good thing. We need compassionate people in the world. Compassion is cool, we need a measure of it tempering everything else.
That’s it. Just a reminder that people are gonna people. And a complete lack of surprise at yet another discussion involving jury nullification within these past 10yrs of Reddit/Lemmy.
It is exactly our compassion for humanity that we are culturally celebrating that dude’s death
And thus Reddit has truly found its replacement.
They are the same thing then how about you leave and go back to Reddit?
You don’t belong here. We aren’t coddling social murderers
Woosh.
I am intimately familiar with what a difficult road pacifism is to walk honestly and honorably. Let me tell you why I would jury nullify this guy if I could anyway.
It is abundantly clear that gun ownership is completely closed as an avenue to deal with the gun violence problem in the USA. This is the only avenue remaining available to citizens to vote on the subject of how the inevitable gun is to be used. If we cheer loud enough, maybe fewer psychotic breaks will take place at schools.
It’s a TOS violation to discuss one of the very real and legitimate responsibilities you have as a juror?
Like, nullification is a thing because it’s very much the absolute very very last defense against bullshit laws being used against people by a corrupt judicial system.
It’s a moral imperative and something anyone sitting on a jury should understand and be willing to use.
What an absurd take, especially since it sounds like it’s all the .world admins having it.
theres no faster way to get kicked out of the selection process than mentioning it.
if you want out of jury duty, mention jury nullification and you are out of there.
Unless the state has used all their strikes already.
It’s likely not actually a TOS violation, that person commenting is almost certainly talking out of their ass, likely to try and push their own agenda and make people comply.
Hey, only God may judge us!
Apparently.
Also crooked courts, ostensibly.
Only god can judge the rich, haven’t you heard?
Lemmy.world is a centrist instance. Liberals don’t like the idea that people can do something that the donor class can’t prevent.
The last US presidential election was basically jury nullification.
Also, isn’t lemmy.WORLD supposed to be a worldwide instance? I can discuss jury nullification as much as I want because I’ll never be in the US jury. From my point of view, if I discussed jury nullification and got banned for it, I would treat that as a quite aggressive restriction of free speech.
From https://legal.lemmy.world/tos/
Our Governing Laws
The website and the agreement will be governed by and construed per the laws of the following countries and/or states:
The Netherlands Republic of Finland Federal Republic of Germany
Ok, I wasn’t really that surprised when a bunch of users who were calling for more murder were getting their comments deleted. That’s a bit much and users need to know how to be more vague with their threats, especially with web crawls recording and indexing everything we say online…
But censoring the discussion of a real legal process is crazy. Well, I’ve made a few comments regarding jury nullification. I’ll report if they get deleted.
edit: It’s been about 20 hours and none of my Jury Nullification comments have remained. I have a feeling that the .world mods figured out that that discussion was fine or the deleted comments has other reasons to be deleted.
Aye. There are legal rammifications to hosting comments trying to incite violence. There are none to a) pointing and laughing, or even celebrating the death of person who has done great harm to others, or b) discussing the possible outcomes of a still hypothetical jury trial.
Trying to silence the latter is stifling legal free speech.
I consider human life sacred
Like the lives of those cut short by denying treatment so CEOs and shareholders can make more money?
only God may judge us
Oh, fuck off. If God exists and actually cared, he/she/they would have “judged” the guy a long time ago for introducing needless suffering and cruelty.
only god may judge us
Is a great argument for jury nullification. Because that will allow for god to decide the shooters verdict.
I mean, needless suffering and cruelty are kinda that god’s bag…
That’s why I added “and actually cared” :)
God judged and sent an assassin if we’re gonna play the whole believe in god game
god is the most cruel entity in the entirety of the bible. kills the most people, causes the most suffering. how anyone can read that book and come away with a positive view of that beast is unfathomable.
I agree, but that wasn’t quite the point I was trying to make.
The moderator was on a moral superiority high-horse by suggesting that “only God may judge” a guy who served as the judge for other’s lives through complacent inaction and encouraging policies that put personal gain over humanity.
The only way that argument wouldn’t have been hypocritical is if he agreed that God was a cruel bastard, and I don’t think that was the case.
ahh yep, great points.
How is jury nullification against .world ToS? It is part of the law! Or more specifically it is literally created from the absence of a law, to allow a fair trial by your peers.
Courts don’t want you to know about jury nullification but it is not illegal. It is a required part of the judicial system.
so trying to prevent people knowing about is is more akin to trying to prevent people from knowing what rights they have?
Sounds like some corpo shit
It is the instance for liberals.
Yes but they think that’s a good thing
Honestly, I’d rather they all stay on that instance, then infecting the rest of the fediverse.
Yes but unfortunately they want to be the fediverse to people. Still waiting for their lemmy replacement sublinks to happen or get dumped
I’m totally with the post here condemning this but I wish some people in this comment section would act neutrally.
This is not a lemmy.world admin, who would actually speak on behalf of the whole instance (Not that those haven’t done questionable shit either, but not to this level). It’s a mod on community that happens to be hosted on lemmy.world, and they are citing the lemmy.world ToS in bad faith. Just like a corrupt cop will think of some bullshit law to arrest you if they wanted to abuse their power.
I for one do hope they get removed as a mod from the community by the admins, but strangely I see very little of that being discussed. Instead there’s a bunch of prepossessed conclusions made about the users of lemmy.world, which shouldn’t be a surprise that the largest instance, isn’t a monolith, and people don’t join it for political affiliation unlike some instances. The fact the mod is at times not even receiving a single upvote should be clear that everyone is disgusted by this.
Lemmy.world users need to see this thread and this corruption from a mod on our instance, so that we can pressure them into being removed. Since communities are there also for people outside of the instance, this is a net positive for the fediverse itself if they get kicked out.
But this kind of circle jerking over how much you dislike lemmy.world, you’re drowing out the actually important information, and if the first thing someone sees when entering this thread is unfounded prejudice against them, they’re going to ignore it and think less of you for it in return, creating a more hostile space for everyone that has to share it. I hope everyone here that does this is aware of that self-sabotage.
They keep claiming all these things against the TOS yet you can read that and none of it’s in there. I don’t know what it is about these mods but they sure seem to be trying to push their own agenda.
Remember how the !world@lemmy.world mods kept pushing for months the propaganda bot from a pro-Zionist and very rightwing (so much so that their definition of a Rightwing news media was pretty much only the Far-Right ones) organisation trying to tell everybody which news to trust and which to not trust?
Also, curiously and back some months ago when I was making anti-Zionist posts in my Lemmy.world account, all of a sudden I started getting e-mails on the account I used to register on Lemmy.world from an Israeli organisation doing “Education about Israel” courses and they knew not just my e-mail but also the country I lived in (the e-mails were in my native language) even though I didn’t share my email on any posts.
I blocked that bot ages ago, is it still doing its annoying as all fuck thing or did they give up on it?
After a mod insisted that the .world admins would demod them if they removed the bot and reinstate it anyway, someone pinged an admin who was like ‘what? no.’
After that a poll was held, and the kill it option won.
For people interested
https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/29791336?scrollToComments=true
Funny to go through that post now that the bot was killed by popular vote and see commenters adamantly insisting that it was 1% of users who wanted it gone.
Honestly, it felt like a bunch of the pushback was someone just super proud of the bot they made lol. How could their perfect bot ever be bad??
Oh, definitely
Any idea where the poll is?
If you look for “poll” in that community you should be able to find it
Found some meta posts, but not the actual poll itself. Oh well, was just idle curiosity
Haha, this seems typical of the absolute clusterfuck that is .world.
They eventually gave up on it.
They gave up, took a while though
Around the time they elections were finally over.
Still love the mods of news banned a bunch of people that were raising criticism of the shitty bot, and then the admins just ignoring it when asked about it.
_we’re looking into it _
I was questioning a certain mod why they banned someone for TOS violations but left up the offending comments and they were confused why anyone would question them about it.
Like if something is that bad you ban and remove it but they thought it was better to use as an example.
Simply put they just use it as their go to excuse.
Only God may judge us? Which God exactly, you giant fucking DIPSHIT?
My inbox is quite a ride. I keep seeing insults in it and then realise it’s not meant for me
I’m as much of a god as anything or anyone else, and I hereby give you all permission to judge anyone you want for any reason. This applies both going forward in perpetuity, and retroactively until the Big Bang.
only God may judge us
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Cool, no need to go to court, since judges can’t judge us.
Or mods. They can’t do that, either.
You shouldn’t talk about jury nullification because the first rule of jury nullification is you do not talk about jury nullification.
