• Boopdedoop@sh.itjust.works
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    2 hours ago

    Oops, this is some misinformation, friend. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/rfk-wellness-farms/

    Exaggerated claims designed to provoke a reaction, even in humorous contexts like this, make it harder for us to perceive and react to actual dangerous threats that might come our way. And we’re definitely going to need to have an accurate and truthful view of the world in the coming days.

    It’s a good joke, it’s a great joke even, but even so, we shouldn’t spread misinformation.

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      Idk, I’m sure that many politicians aren’t advocating for LGBTQ youth to be “sent” to conversation camps.

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      Tfw you say something and everyone hates it and then someone else comes by and says the same thing in a slightly different way and everyone likes it 😑

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    11 hours ago

    If trans people and Adderall people are outlawed then there will be no tech industry left.

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      9 hours ago

      Man who frequently lies is misquoted in a way that is more in line with what he probably meant based on previous statements and actions.

      I’m not surprised.

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        Yeah sorry should have been more clear I suppose. The narrative they’re trying to perpetuate is that nobody is ill and all of the prescription drugs are unnecessary, and that all the people taking medication for their illnesses really just want to be off of it but have no ability.

        Realistically, yeah he’s going to build the camps, and then it’s a very short hop skip and a jump to court orders putting people there.

        To be honest they should just do an opinion piece saying exactly what we know he’s going to do. We don’t need him to pretend that’s exactly what he said.

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          This is a pretty cool example of media bias distorting facts in order to cause kind of a Shiri’s Scissor scenario in the reader based on where they get their news. Liberal source gives an inaccurate, more interpretive story based on what is already known about the parties involved. I’d wager a more conservative source would just give a direct statement of what RFK said here, which sounds fairly reasonable if you have no bias against the man and his team. Discussing this point becomes incredibly controversial between the groups because we have opposing interpretations of the same event, and it’s difficult to come to any understanding without breaking many things down into smaller parts.

          All this is to say I agree, it should have been an opinion piece. It’s dishonest as it is now and would only cause friction, confusion, and raised hackles. We know how troubled teen camps fail kids, and what happens when bad people have power over vulnerable people. The writing is on the wall, but it’s not clear for all of us. Be less inflammatory and more informative, is what I think news should be.

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    7 hours ago

    The term “concentration camps” usually doesn’t refer to places people volunteer to go to. The headline’s clickbait enough as it is.

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      Love how people actually believe that RFK’s labor camp plan is voluntary, just because he said “where you can choose to go”.

      4 years of hearing Trump and his cohorts lie about literally everything, and you’re ready for another 4 of giving them the benefit of a doubt. Truly breathtaking naïveté.

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        So what you’re saying is that the reality isn’t bad enough so we need to make shit up and exaggerate everything? Because I disagree with that. I think things are bad enough that you can just be truthful about it, and lying is actually counterproductive because it discredits legitimate criticism.

        Like if you want to talk about concentration camps, we’ve already got them for undocumented migrants.

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          Camps like this already exist for kids and teenagers, the best example is the Elan school. Though they have been having increased pushback this could be a way to keep them running by including adults. Basically nobody should trust this idea on the base concept, since even if RFK Jr is legit trying to do a good thing with ernest sincerity he is still putting things in place to enable such abuse.

          Also even if it starts out voluntary I garunfuckentee it will be involuntary via court order eventually. It will most likely start as a addict rehab but quickly evolve into a place to shove mentally ill folks into.

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            OK, but a news article describing what “RFK says” should not say that he says he wants concentration camps when that’s not at all what he said. You’re free to speculate about what his real intentions might be, but the news has a responsibility to report what he actually said, not their personal opinion of what it might eventually turn into.

            Saying that he said he wants “labor camps” is already taking some wild creative liberties. Like, if I rent a cabin in a campsite and bring my laptop to do some work while I’m out there, is that a “labor camp?” I’m at a camp and I’m doing labor, I guess. But to say that he explicitly called for “concentration camps” is just an outright lie. And it’s absolutely wild to me that anyone would want the news to lie to them! You’re asking for the press to be more sensationalist, and judging by the downvotes, that’s just majority opinion here.

            Some of us actually take the risks seriously and need to have accurate threat modelling. I have no patience for this game of making stuff up to get mad about.

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              Fair enough, hence why I outlined my actual threat modeling. This shit historically has a pretty straightforward progression.

              I said nothing about concentration camps on purpose as well for just that reason. But yeah I wont take Captain Brain worm on his word, at best he is honest and just ignorant to what will happen with them at worst he is lying.

              Anyways I was just pointing out that we really shouldn’t take him at his word. That doesnt mean taking active action, it just means dont believe him. Though I do agree that folks calling it a concentration camp are risking watering down the actual issues that will most likely arise, after all if all their doing is waterboarding folks when you expect gas chambers it makes it seem less horrific.

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        Yeah “choose to go” is a euphemism for “parents can decide to send their children against their will”

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    As a person with ADHD, let me just volunteer the following information; the absolute last thing you want… the last thing you want is for a bunch of people with ADHD to be held on a boring farm. Without medication!

    The phrase “herding cats” doesn’t even come close. And ADHD is often comorbid with sleep phase disorder, which means I’m 100% alert all night without the medication that helps me sleep! That gives me lots and lots of time to be a problem!

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    9 hours ago

    Looks like I picked the wrong day to quit Ritalin! Not that it matters, 99% of us are getting fucked to some depth. Disadvantaged people first, then minorities and women, as is custom.

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    He’s in the closet about his own mental health issues, one of which is likely him being ADHD AF.

    So like the closeted gay politicians being the harshest proponents of things like conversion therapies, anti-lgbtq views and legislation, the closeted mental-health-problem asshole is anti-actual-medical-treatment of everything, like anti-vax, anti-adderall, etc.

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      On the farms, he said, residents would grow their own organic food—which would help them recover from addiction,

      These people are going to starve to death. It’s difficult enough to farm when you want to farm.

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        Not exactly. My ADHD has only one good use… I am amazing at dealing with worst case scenarios and in fact thrive in them. I will always find a way to do something, survive and enjoy it. I had more fun in Japan when I was broke after I lost my scholarship than I was before I did. I rode a busted old bike with flat tires everywhere, I found ways to scrounge for food, I survived odd of a bag of flour and snuck my mom into my dorm. I have no interest in normal day to day easy life. Put me in the wilderness and make me kill my food.

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          One or two people would be doing all the work while the others would be complaining the whole time.

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        Don’t worry, they’ll have all the most advanced GMO crops, pesticides, and fertilizer. The plants will grow no matter what you do. Whether you want to eat them or not is an open question.

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            I’m pretty sure this is just a farm labor program to replace the migrants they’re deporting. So he isn’t really going to have a say.

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          I mean, it’s RFK Jr. I doubt he would even be able to identify real organic fertilizers anyway. If he were to inspect a site and see fertilizers, even organic fertilizer in bags, he’s probably tell them to throw it out and just just rely on the unamended soil. He would then go home and eat over priced Whole Foods produce that may or may not be honest about the organic label.