All difficult games should have an easy mode for accessibility.
Signed, a Dark Souls enjoyer.
For mechanically difficult games, definitely agree. Celeste is an example I usually bring up - it’s a platformer that can get pretty tough at times, especially in the after-story optional levels. But it also has one of the most flexible and useful accessibility modes I’ve ever seen. It allows you to adjust basically every aspect of the game a player might struggle with (game speed, additional jumps, timed mechanics, you name it). And the game itself is very good as well.
I’ve never had vitriol spewed at me quite like when I argue in favor of easy mode for soulslike games. I’m at a point where I hate soulslike games, half because I don’t want to spend ten hours on a boss that I can’t beat, and half because I don’t want to associate with soulsborne players
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Its called cheating. Download some mods or something; the game is the game they made. If you want something different, there are plenty of options.
Look, it’s the dudes from the meme
Can’t download mods on console. Any other advice for getting my $60 worth out of a game I can’t refund anymore?
Easy mode ftw. I’ve only got so much free time. I wanna chill when I’m gaming.
You don’t want to spend twenty hours trying to beat one boss, and being told to git gud whenever you ask for advice on the internet? But think of the sense of pride and accomplishment you’ll feel when you finally beat it! The best part is you get to go through this like 10 times
/s
Counterpoint: not every game needs to be chill
It’s a choice. You don’t have to take it
I am playing Sekiro with a easy mode mod.
Even with being able to kill everything with 1-4 hits, I was getting TRASHED by bosses. People play this without the mod? 😭
It’s a difficult game for sure. Probably the most difficult out of the FromSoft games. Not to feed into the meme but the game does click once you get to a certain boss in the game. The combat feels natural, you know what to do and how to do it usually etc. It’s a really difficult game and the final boss might just be the most difficult I’ve ever had the displeasure of fighting against (they get a lot easier once you know what you’re doing)
Git gud casul?
Otherwise…
Finger but, whole.
I just started playing Stellar Blade.
It’s really nice to go through the checklist of which soulslike attributes games are now inheriting, and which they decide to throw away. SB happens to have a set that I really jive with. No “lose currency on death”, clean and clear tutorials, but still has lots of secrets hidden around the world. And, it has an easy mode - which I’m not using, because as much as the bosses challenge and frustrate me, they’re very satisfying to learn.
I’ve never touched any game of this series. If I need to replay a section or fight in a game more than 3 times it annoys me so much, I need to take a break. This often led to me never playing that game again, because only thinking about being stuck at that spot again kills all the fun for me.
In Cyberpunk for example my car got stuck in the middle of nowhere by a glitch and I would have needed to walk for god knows how long to find another vehicle. Needless to say I never played that game again, even though I was not nearly even half way through and liked it up until that point.
I’m willing to replay a section as many times as it takes, as long as I consistently feel a sense of progression and improvement. The problem is that it can take dozens of attempts before I realize I’m plateauing, and I have to give up.
I cannot tell you how much I want to play Remnant: From the Ashes. In between boss fights, I’m in love with the game. The story is deeply fascinating, and I love the gameplay. There is exactly one boss in that game that I was able to beat without going online and waiting for some random to join and carry. Eventually I got to a point where in order to upgrade gear, I had to kill bosses, and in order to kill bosses, I had to upgrade gear. Uninstalled it after I made no story progress for like 10 hours.
Contrast that with Outriders. Considered by many to be an awful game, it was my favorite game that I’ve played this year. The story is deeply fascinating, I love the gameplay, and there is exactly one boss in that game that I couldn’t beat at the highest available difficulty. So I turned the difficulty down, breezed through it, and turned it back up afterward, and there was no penalty for doing that.
Did you not just hit the “summon a vehicle” button that the game gives you to summon one of the many cars the game gives out for free? Cause it’s there. I believe they tell you about it during the prologue and it’s enabled before then.
Did you just skip all tutorials or something? I’m struggling to understand how on earth you got stuck so bad you ended up quitting the game. Plus, if you’re half way through, you have a minimum of 2 vehicles, the starting car and Jackie’s bike, if not even more. Wtf were you even doing?
i stopped after 10-15ish hours for different reasons. no idea what you’re talking about, either it’s not that obvious or something about the game has changed, and hopefully for the better bc it was downright awful when i played.
Can’t you just summon a new vehicle?
Lmao yeah. I’m kinda like him but even I knew you could summon your rides in Cyberpunk. I stopped playing that game because it was getting repetitive af.
I think the whole “Elden Ring is hard” is overrated.
I’m a garbage player. And I manage to cheese my way through the game. It has classic NES/SNES energy where you can absolutely leave and come back when you’re way stronger. The game is so massive, you will always find something else to do.
Then again, if cyberpunk made you rage quit, maybe you won’t like Elden Ring. I found that game to be really straightforward.
EZ mode in Elden Ring is to play Scadow of the Erdtree for a bit. That hands out fifty level-ups for shitting yourself hiding in the bushes, just to mock you for how you still ain’t got gud. Go back and beat up Malenia and Placidusax all you want, you’re still going to die to the very first expansion boss like you’ve never played a Souls game before.
I dislike how people use game completion as a method to gloat
Like bro, don’t we all play games to have fun?
I separate people into two camps.
People who beat THE Sega Genesis classic Sonic 3 with lock-on Technology with Sonic and Knuckles and achieved all 12 Chaos Emeralds, and LOSERS.
I’m currently playing Elden Ring for the first time and I’m note sure if I’m not just doing it for self-flagellation instead of fun
You’ve found one your kink.
How am I supposed to have fun if I’m not better than you???
Edit: ???
Absolutely not! I play games to be the best! To dunk on those losers who can’t defeat evey boss with only their fists and a dream. This is what it means to be a real gamer, ignoring my family, friends, and calls from my boss.
All you can do is look up at me on my pedestal from your lowly lesser-gamer chair.
Yes.
Also just generally better accommodation in general. If a paraplegic guy with control over one finger wants to play Elden Ring, there should be settings to accommodate that. That’s not even making it easier; they’re already facing much more difficulty in the first place. It’s just leveling the playing field.
How would you even expect the developers to accommodate every possible combination of disabilities?
Not the OP but i think these would still be “making it easier” settings but to their point it is just leveling the player field since people without disabilities already have an easier time playing.
You could adjust things like hitbox size (yours and enemies), the i-frame duration (amount of time invincible after rolling), a game speed setting, setting that adjusts the pacing of fights (such as delays between enemies moves are increased by this setting), damage multipler (yours and enemies), or straight up handicapping player level or attribute scores. Thats just off the top of my head, I’m sure there are plenty of other ways.
The bonus to this is that it could also make the game harder. A lot of people like doing challenge runs and this would add depth to that.
This is extra funny because Elden Ring’s diverse player build options means that it has the most adjustable difficulty curve of any FromSoftware game. Holding up Elden Ring completion specifically as any kind of bar to surpass is laughably naive.
That’s the key. If you:
- summoned
- used spirit ashes
- used ashes of war
- used sorceries
- used incantations
- levelled up
- drank a flask
- opened the map
- used a weapon
- used a controller or a mouse/keyboard
- opened the menu
- used your hands
You didn’t beat the game.
Thank god I play with my butt cheeks. The different tones of my farts get interpreted as input. To attack I have to fart in G#.
Oh please, that’s the easiest key to fart in. Casual.
I actually beat the game at level 1, no weapons, no items, controlling the character via brainwaves. And every time I died, I resetted the game.
So you didn’t even turn on the setting that kills you in real life when you die in the game? Casual.
yess harderrr
You must have misunderstood me. I’m saying Elden Ring SHOULD have an Easy Mode. Modern Souls games are designed to be accessible.
People who gatekeep FromSoftware difficulty have a fundamental misunderstanding of what the games are about
I think the point of the post is that one way or another, it’s a topic where everyone has an opinion and it can be exhausting to listen to the debate.
I thought the point of the post was ridiculing fragile masculinity, but okay
I used to disagree with this concept, but then I discovered how Control implements difficulty. The game is hard, and that cannot be changed, but at any time one can pause the game, turn on assist mode, and become unkillable. And the key to this is after one gets past that really frustrating section, they can turn off the “cheats”.
That would work for Elden Ring.
That’s basically what Another Crab’s Treasure does too, as with a few other hard games. Their accessibility modes let you basically become god, and skip the combat if the way it’s set up isn’t working - and that could just be something you do for a single particular encounter if needed. I’ve never used them, and don’t mind them being there, because a good hard game is satisfying to play without such things.
Every game should copy Another Crabs Treasures easy mode - just hand the player s gun!
Hmmmmmmm what do you call a fish with no eye? A fsh
Hey, look, I found one of those posts where it OK to be sexist.
Edit: Saying “Hey, look, I found one of those posts where it OK to be sexist,” in a room full of virtue signallers just to feel something.
le edit, the second: I guess based on the downvotes in the thread Lemmy.ml is refederated.
DAE male gamers are the real oppressed ones.
Thanks for telling your truth.
…in a comment section where the OP’s gender hasn’t even been mentioned?
Or is it this old meme?
The “OP”, if you are referring to the screenshot, is presenting feminine, and talks about walking into a room full of men and doing something that they believe intentionally trolls men.
I think you missed the point. Many games have toxic communities that attack women and tell them they’re no good enough, along with much more unsavoury shit. Playing into that, you can get a very aggressive response and “feel something”. It’s less about trolling men and more the attacks many women get from elitist male gamers.
Do you think women aren’t allowed to talk about sexist gaming communities?
So, the equal rights movements aren’t about bringing certain people up to the level of everyone else, but instead bringing all others down to the oppressed’s level?
I just want to make sure I am on the same page as everyone else moving forward.
It is about bringing people to the same level. In this case, when women can go into gaming circles and not get snide, sarcastic comments about their perceived lack of skill, or overtly sexualized unsolicited comments, then we are there. We are not yet.
The fact you’re getting triggered by women not being happy about this is a little odd.
Surely you’d want young women relatives of yours to not have a shitty environment like this?
Right, and what the commenters are saying, along with yourself, is that it is ok to degrade others as long as it’s “their turn.” The patriarchy has been in power for too long, we better hate all men just to be safe. Wouldn’t want to miss any of the bad ones, so we’ll blame all of them for our problems.
That’s generalization. That’s the enemy. If you want to hate against exclusivity in gaming, you can’t generalize by saying something like the op screenshot. Instead, you would replace “men” with “soulsbourne gatekeepers.” If that doesn’t have the same weight as what the screenshot originally said, then you should look at what was changed and why it made you feel a certain way. Bias is a bitch, and it goes hand in hand with generalization. When you generalize, as the screenshot did, it’s bringing a shotgun to an archery range. Sure, you’ll hit the target, but you aren’t doing it right.
Joking about men over-explaining a difficult game is not oppressing them
So all the comedians that tell sexist jokes about women are a-ok in your book? Good to know.
Not what I said but nice try. Groups that are systemically oppressed joking about those that aren’t is in no way equal to the reverse
screenshot OP: “lol don’t Gamers get so heated when you talk about difficulty modes is soulslikes”
the Gamer in question: “I SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO BE SEXIST FOR THIS!!!”
also i don’t think you know what virtue signaling means
Hey, look, this one is misrepresenting easily verifiable information.
Technically you re right that’s sexist (if you gender swap the post that’s weird) but in reality I didn’t even noticed it and probably don’t care
Equality isn’t a buffet.
Saying that it shouldn’t just to feel something (I.e. a smug sense of superiority)
