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Donald Trump said he would accept home confinement or jail time after his historic conviction by a New York jury last week but that it would be tough for the public to accept.
“I’m not sure the public would stand for it,” the Republican presidential candidate told Fox News in an interview that aired on Sunday. “I think it’d be tough for the public to take. You know, at a certain point, there’s a breaking point.”
Trump did not elaborate on what he thought might happen if that point is reached. He is scheduled to be sentenced July 11, four days before Republicans gather to formally choose their presidential nominee to face Democratic President Joe Biden in November’s election.
Asked what Trump supporters should do if he were jailed, Republican National Committee Co-Chair Lara Trump told CNN: “Well, they’re gonna do what they’ve done from the beginning, which is remain calm and protest at the ballot box on November 5th. There’s nothing to do other than make your voices heard loud and clear and speak out against this.”
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How the fuck is stochastic terrorism not illegal?
It is but only for leftists. Thanks, McCarthy.
How you gonna wrap a law around it? Hell, even with something as “obvious” as this quote? Trump said nothing that “incites violence”. He’s playing the mob boss thing, again.
If 01/06 wasn’t enough for our government to take action, nothing will be. And again, what would that action even look like?
I’ve preached many, many times on here and reddit that libs need to get armed, educated and practiced. Is that terrorism? Fuck me. I’m just saying that the conservatives are ready to kill us and we should be prepared to defend ourselves.
You are aware that Trump was indicted for Jan 6 right? The trial is on hold while the Supreme Court decides if he is totally immune to legal consequences.
Which is just a delay tactic. They aren’t seriously considering it. If they did somehow declare president’s immune for any action, biden could drop a hellfire missile on Trump and the Supreme Court and probably get away with it.
Hold it off until after Trump is inaugurated and he could do whatever he wants.
I know a lot of people talk about civil war but if that happened I think that would actually pop off a civil war.
It’s a contingency. There’s a lot of ways that a small number of people can destroy a generation of progress this November and rewind us to the days when America was great. When wife beating was fashionable, gay people were just “confirmed bachelors”, and you could tell what was between a person’s legs by looking at their haircut.
For one, Trump is running for President, and somehow still has polls.
For another, every house seat and a third of the Senate is up the year.
Lastly, they already control the majority SCOTUS, and Mitch was nice enough to keep a not-insignificant number of lower court seats open until after Obama left office.
So if Trump wins, he already controls the court and will do whatever he wants. Checks and balances be damned. What’s gonna happen, an impeachment? Bah.
If Trump doesn’t win but Republicans manage to pick up a majority in the house/Senate, it’ll be a bit tougher time, but you can bet no leftist or progressive agenda will be a part of it. Unless somehow they manage a veto-proof majority, though I don’t think that’ll be possible.
And if Trump wins and they pick up seats in Congress? Well, buckle up, it’s gonna be a hell of a ride.
They do fine for, oh, the Panthers, black wall street, occupy wall street, war protesters, hippies…
Because we have free speech, and people have free will. Direct calls to violence are illegal, but if you say “won’t someone rid me of this troublesome Vice President”, then you’re not directing someone to do anything; any actions taken are on their own initiative. There isn’t even a “just following orders” defense.
Because we have free speech, and people have free will.
And it would be ridiculous to think that being a former president, especially a media lolcow like Trump, doesn’t land you a guaranteed platform anywhere, at any time.
As long as everything, everywhere is commercialized including our news, every outrageous character and outrageous political outcome and outrageous tragedy will be another billboard, another rope to pull in viewers and raise a bottom line. We need independent media, but we need them to also be independent from the Wrestlemania spectacle the current batch feeds on and nurtures and grows and makes worse every day.
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Well, they’re gonna do what they’ve done from the beginning, which is remain calm and protest at the ballot box on November 5th. There’s nothing to do other than make your voices heard loud and clear and speak out against this.
From the party that literally lead a violent insurrection intended to overthrow the government and install Trump as a dictator for life.
And they’ll do it again in 2029. The most important part of that quote is their commitment to getting him another crack at it.
Vote in November.
Fuck me don’t say 2029. I feel my youth draining away
I feel you. I distinctly remember being inspired by a sci-fi show called Beyond 2000.
I’ve never seen anyone else mention that show. My brother and I used to watch it watch it all the time. It looks like it had a few different names/iterations, we watched The Discovery Channels verion in the U.S., in the early 90s.
That’s the one! I loved it. Such an intriguing and inspiring show. It would be interesting to watch it again to see what was actually developed.
At every step of consequences a facsist will say:
If you hold me accountable, they’ll be consequences
What they leave out, is if we don’t hold fascists accountable, everyone in power starts acting like they’re not accountable. Before you know what’s going on, all the possible options are corrupt. And it’s no longer about winning, it’s about mitigating how much you’ll lose by.
But you always keep losing.
It’s a ruse. MAGAs are planning and scheming, likely with Putin’s help. They will obstruct voting, corrupt results and use violence. The Republican party is in its death throes, replaced by the insane authoritarian MAGA party.
Vote - your life and your families lives depend on it.
sure sounds like he’s sending a ‘message’ to the cult here of what to do if he actually gets locked-up.
My thoughts exactly
Something something stand by
He’s right, it would make me drop whatever I’m doing and plan out a party that night. We should do it more often.
I’m trying to imagine what the day should be called?
“Grab em by the bussy” day?
Ah, I’m still working on it…
Trump already had the perfect name for it. Covfefe
July 4th: Independence Day
July 11th: Covfefe Day
It’ll be a breaking point for me, for sure. I’ll be breaking out the good booze.
I have a bottle of champagne that was a wedding gift.
We uncork it the day Trump goes to jail.
I don’t ever want to hear another republican ever utter the words “We’re the party of law and order” ever again…
They must mean the television show.
Law and Order, Special Victims Unit
That show wouldn’t exist under modern Republican rule.
Let them go off. January 6th showed they are incompetent. Let them push their violence again and put much of the public against them again right before the election. They won’t accomplish anything of importance and they will show their hateful agenda isn’t what most of this country wants. Faced with it directly, most Americans aren’t ready for insurrection and domestic conflict. I think any reactionary violent attack right now will be the end of their movement.
The Beerhall putsch was terrible planned and executed as well. Past failure doesn’t necessarily mean they will continue to fail.
Yup. Except this time the president won’t hold back the military like Trump did.
Cult 45 is a bunch of pussies. How many of them are willing to die for a cheeto? There’s going to be enough military there this cult will get curb stomped in about .4 seconds. I hope they do, maybe it’ll take a few child molesters and a few future mass shooters off this planet.
Only one way to find out!
If I had a nickle for every headline I’ve read that has “trump says”
This mother fucker gets entire news articles every time he talks. The least interesting and most predictable man in the world has the news reporting his every word.
I can’t do another 4 years. I can’t.
Please stop treating politics like a cultural, intellect, personal identity battlefield when engaging in this topic. Your “opponent” will see it that way and have their gaurd up, only listening to what to say to try to disprove it rather than hearing what you say. Your job is to change that, so they actually find themselves having a conversation. Asking questions, giving more level but still emotional arguments (not sensationalized like this(
This shit isn’t helpful, it isn’t convincing anyone of anything. In fact I find it harmful
It sounds like he is just whining but the underlying message is there may be more violence if he is prosecuted. He is setting up a threat of violence. “They are going to do what they did since the beginning” is a threat. What did they do in the beginning??? Hmm oh idk unite the right rally and all that jazz. And bookends with one of the most significant moments in American history where the president encouraged and allowed an insurrection to take place for 6 fucking hours while ignoring pleas from his staff, family, legal counsel, and fellow government officials particularly his closest.
But you have to be able to have enough context and a depressingly low bar of critical thinking skills to read between the lines in the article, especially when the headline primes you for what another nutty thing he says and then the reader just decides if they think it is a bad thing to say or not. Ugh. UGH. Thanks for sticking this out
Please stop treating politics like a cultural, intellect, personal identity battlefield when engaging in this topic.
That sort of coverage doesn’t sell ad space.
I sure hope so.
There’s a significant number of Trumpers who are just itching to put on their
brown shirtsred hats and start wreaking violence.At this point, it’s not really a question of if they do it, but just of when. On that point at least, Trump is right. He just doesnt acknowledge the fact that the reason those people are reaching a breaking point is that he’s self-servingly fed them a steady diet of propaganda and hatred.
So they’re going to go off the rails - they’re vtoo ignorant and too angry and too misled to do anything else.
The worst-case scenario would be that they do it after Trump has (god forbid) been elected. Because then they’re going to get official sanction. They really will be the new brownshirts.
The best-case scenario is that they do it soon, and in response to Trump being rightfully sentenced for the crimes of which he has been rightfully convicted. In that case, they’re going to have neither the illusion of legitimacy nor official sanction, and they’ll just reveal themselves as the lawless, petulant, violent asshats they are.
And hopefully either held in jail without bond or be convicted felons who can’t vote.
Now you keep saying that term…brown shirts…what do UPS delivery drivers have to do with this?
95% sure you’re making a joke, but in case you (or anyone else) actually doesn’t know: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturmabteilung
Right with ya. Problem is, the vast majority of Americans are ignorant of history and have a, “Can’t happen here!” attitude.
Fascism isn’t coming, it’s here, now, today.
You have it right on the best/worst case scenarios. Best case might sober enough people up to turn the ride. Otherwise we’re sleepwalking into this.
Highly recommend the Podcast It Could Happen Here with Robert Evans.
I tell people as often as I can, especially my trans and bipoc friends; now is the time. Get a couple guns (a long one and a short one) and learn how to use them. Learn some basic first aid, you really just need to know how to stabilize someone. Start networking with like-minded people in your communities. The police will not protect us, they’ve proven they’ll happily club senior citizens to the ground and shoot any protesters in the face with rubber bullets while escorting a rightwing murderer to safety.
Iran was a secular, liberal monarchy until almost 1980 when an Islamic theocracy was installed with public approval, it could happen here.
Is it explicitly stated whom a president may not pardon (eg, themselves)?
If so, no reason to anyone to do anything if he’s elected
The president can only pardon those convicted of federal crimes. He was convicted of state crimes in New York state, and only the governor of New York can pardon those convicted of crimes at the state level.
So he’s just gonna strong arm then into doing it.
If he’s elected, they’ll have free rein to do whatever they want to whoever they want, and they will.
Him being sent to prison would just be a trigger to release the hatred and urge to violence that’s already festering inside them. That hatred and urge to violence is still going to be there if he’s elected - it’ll just manifest a bit differently.
For this particular case, he couldn’t pardon himself because the president can pardon federal crimes, but in this case the crime is in the New York state court system, so the governor of New York would have to pardon him to my understanding.
There’s nothing saying he can’t pardon himself, but a president can only pardon for federal crimes.
Even more reason to do it. Trump shouldn’t be excused from being held accountable just because his supporters don’t like it, along with any people in power.
And they’ll live stream the evidence again
And pose for news photographers.
When he came to be indicted in Miami, he was expecting fans and supporters everywhere. Nobody cared enough to show up except street vendors. Speaks volumes to me.
Look, I hate Trump.
But I do think he is a symptom of a larger problem. There’s a bit portion of America – Blue and Red – that aren’t being served well by American politics. We have a huge homeless problem, millions can’t find good jobs, millions can’t afford to rent – let alone buy – homes. Higher education costs are through the roof. Health care costs are through the roof. (I guess I should move away from using the expression “through the roof” when discussing how many people are homeless, but I digress.)
We’ve got big problems and it doesn’t matter whether you’re Blue or Red or who you blame – those problems aren’t being addressed in a meaningful way.
Trump could disappear tomorrow (Are you listening, God? It’s America) and we’re still going to have a big portion of our country out of work, out of home and out of health with a bleak future to look forward to.
Desperate people turn to extremism and religion. I’m not excusing that behavior, I’m just pointing out that it doesn’t come from nowhere.
People that are happy, secure, treated justly/equally/fairly, have good incomes, can educate their kids, afford healthcare and can retire safely will not try to overthrow their government because there will be no one willing to listen to them.
Stop playing the ‘both sides are the same song.’
The ACA was based on Mitt Romney’s Massachusetts plan because Obama wanted to make it easy for the GOP to swallow it.
If the US is in trouble it’s because one side has been trying desperately to screw the other and doesn’t case if the public suffers too.
Seriously. I’m so tired of seeing this “I hate Trump, but…” bullshit. Because that’s what it is – bullshit. Yes, we have problems, MUCH OF WHICH IS CAUSED BY THESE MORON CONSERVATIVES AS WELL AS THEIR GODKING!
Remember, Trump would never have won if the GOP leadership had done their job back in 2016. They were happy to follow him and even now they bow to him. The analogy I’ve been using goes like this; Trump’s the football coach who fed the team steroids and meth to win games, and the GOP leadership is the rest of the faculty trying to deal with the fact that the students are burning down the school.
The “both sides” argument is a cheap cop out to having a real talk.
Yes, the GOP is the primary obstruction, but the Democrats aren’t helping much either.
I vote D all the way down to dogcatcher, but I certainly don’t look to them to solve anything.
primary obstruction,
So, wouldn’t it make much more sense to deal with the main problem first?
People literally died in Trump’s coup attempt.
So, wouldn’t it make much more sense to deal with the main problem first?
Deal with it how?
Stop playing the ‘both sides are the same song.’
The ACA was based on Mitt Romney’s Massachusetts plan because Obama wanted to make it easy for the GOP to swallow it.
If the US is in trouble it’s because one side has been trying desperately to screw the other and doesn’t case if the public suffers too.
Literally my first comment.
You don’t like Joe and the DNC? Wait until after the election to say anything negative.
Well in case you missed it, it has been almost 4 years since he was elected.
The kitchen is dirty, and it’s on fire.
Yes, the kitchen being dirty is a problem. It probably even contributed to the fire, and makes putting out the fire even harder.
But you have to put out the fire before you can worry about anything else.
You’re right. But that would mean politicians would have to stop kowtowing to business, start re-regulating Wall St, and begin to support social justice cause (tax rules, public housing, business regulation, etc). So unfortunately it’s unlikely to happen because the whole gd world is so far down the rabbit hole we are blind to what could be.
There’s one party who has a lot of people who want to address the problems you point out. There is another party that wants to remove all ability of the government to address any of those problems you mention because they think that will solve the problems.
The problem with the former party is that they can never get a large enough majority to do anything about it. The way our government is set up, you need more than slim majority in both houses to get anything meaningful done, unless you can get everyone of the people in the party to line up behind it, any you’ll inevitably have hold outs.
Your post is just more of the “muh both sides!” nonsense. The problem isn’t that neither party listens, it’s that the one who wants to stop the government from being able to do anything about it keeps getting at least near 50% of the people to vote for them.
Well, you’re right, but you’re missing the fact that Republicans work hard to make and keep these conditions, because their base is made up of the most disaffected people. They block healthcare reform, they block student debt relief, they block first time home buyer assistance - they block all the social programs that would ease these problems. Then they try to dismantle the government entities that work to help these things; did you notice how many of Trump’s appointees were vocally against the organizations he put them in charge of? Republicans want the government not to work so that they can say “See, it doesn’t work, we need smaller government,” and then they can get rid of the regulations and taxes that reduce the (already obscene) profits that corporations make.
So yes, you’re right, but it’s working as intended for the right.
I agree. I’m not missing the point that Republicans are the cause of this.
I’m (attempting) to point out that Trump is not the cause of our problems. He is the Republican party manifest and when he disappears, his creators will still be here… working on creating Trump II.
If he disapears tomorrow, maybe that’ll knock some sense into the republican party and they’ll get some actual politicians and work with the democrats instead of blindly voting no and anything they do, regardless of how good it is for people. These problems that you’re concerned about wouldn’t be problems if the right wasn’t trying to make the left look bad. So take the both sides shit and shove it up all the way up your ass.
Yawn. I’ll be break—dancing
