What are you anticipating for the automated driving adoption rate? I’m expecting extremely low as most people cannot afford new cars. We are talking probably decades before there are enough automated driving cars to fundamentally alter traffic in such a way as to entirely eliminate human driving culture.

In response to the “humans are fallible” bit ill remark again that algorithms are very fallible. Statistically, even. And while lots of automated algorithms are controlling life and death machines, try justifying that to someone who’s entire family is killed by an AI. How do they even receive compensation for that? Who is at fault? A family died. With human drivers we can ascribe fault very easily. With automated algorithms fault is less easily ascribed and the public writ large is going to have a much harder time accepting that.

Also, with natural gas and other systems there are far fewer variables than a busy freeway. There’s a reason why it hasn’t happened until recently. Hundreds of humans all in control of large vehicles moving in a long line at speed is a very complicated environment with many factors to consider. How accurately will algorithms be able to infer driving intent based on subtle movement of vehicles in front of and behind it? How accurate is the situational awareness of an algorithm, especially when combined road factors are involved?

Its just not as simple as its being made out to be. This isnt a chess problem, its not a question of controlling train cars on set tracks with fixed timetables and universal controllers. The way cars exist presently is very, very open ended. I agree that if 80+% of road vehicles were automated it would have such an impact on road culture as to standardize certain behaviors. But we are very, very far away from that in North America. Most of the people in my area are driving cars from the early 2010s. Its going to be at least a decade before any sizable amount of vehicles are current year models. And until then algorithms have these obstacles that cannot easily be overcome.

Its like I said earlier, the last 10% of optimization requires an exponentially larger amount of energy and development than the first 90% does. Its the same problem faced with other forms of automation. And a difference of 10% in terms of performance is… huge when it comes to road vehicles.

Exactly. Bring back trams, build less suburbs, better apartment housing. If we want a society reorganized around accessibility then let’s actually build that.

I never did say it wouldn’t ever be possible. Just that it will take a long time to reach par with humans. Driving is culturally specific, even. The way rules are followed and practiced is often regionally different. Theres more than just the mechanical act itself.

The ethics of putting automation in control of potentially life threatening machines is also relevant. With humans we can attribute cause and attempted improvement, with automation its different.

I just don’t see a need for this at all. I think investing in public transportation more than reproduces all the benefits of automated cars without nearly as many of the dangers and risks.

I am entirely opposed to driving algorithms. Autopilot on planes works very well because it is used in open sky and does not have to make major decisions about moving in close proximity to other planes and obstacles. Its almost entirely mathematical, and even then in specific circumstances it is designed to disengage and put control back in the hands of a human.

Cars do not have this luxury and operate entirely in close proximity to other vehicles and obstacles. Very little of the act of driving a car is math. It’s almost entirely decision making. It requires fast and instinctive response to subtle changes in environment, pattern recognition that human brains are better at than algorithms.

To me this technology perfectly encapsulates the difficulty in making algorithms that mimic human behavior. The last 10% of optimization to make par with humans requires an exponential amount more energy and research than the first 90% does. 90% of the performance of a human is entirely insufficient where life and death is concerned.

Investment costs should be going to public transport systems. They are more cost efficient, more accessible, more fuel/resource efficient, and far far far safer than cars could ever be even with all human drivers. This is a colossal waste of energy time and money for a product that will not be par with human performance for a long time. Those resources could be making our world more accessible for everyone, instead they’re making it more accessible for no one and making the roads significantly more dangerous. Capitalism will be the end of us all if we let them. Sorry that train and bus infrastructure isnt “flashy enough” for you. You clearly havent seen the public transport systems in Beijing. The technology we have here is decades behind and so underfunded its infuriating.

Its very convenient that corporations can both be people and not be people depending on whatever outcome is best for them.

She literally has a seat on the nation security council, meaning she is directly involved in all decision making surrounding US military interests and foreign policy. She sat in the “situation room” and had a direct say in US foreign policy decisions.

She participated in decision making surrounding US participation in the ethnic cleansing of Palestine. Its really not disputable. The VP used to be far more a ceremonial position in the 19th century. In the modern era this is not the case.

Its also largely at the discretion of the president how much power and authority the VP has. Joe Biden and Kamala Harris were close throughout his presidency. Her opinion and word absolutely was relevant to him.

I’m considering this and how best we can implement a practical solution to this. One possibility would be to add a rule asking that timeline posts add some or all pictures not in the main post but in the comments. Another would be to remove image posts entirely and direct that traffic towards other communities.

I think the NSFW tag is a good idea, if our community didnt already have a rule banning NSFW image posts. I also would prefer to keep the NSFW tag connected with NSFW content cause I think starting to use it for other things would diminish its use for actually filtering out NSFW content.

“Moderate genocide and gay marriage”

Genuinely beyond parody. And your problem isnt that that was the only alternative lmao. Neoliberals say the wildest things

I feel the same about dogs honestly. I prefer older small dogs because I find that when they do cross my boundaries I’m less likely to be injured in anyway. I honestly dont know how I would be able to live with large dog. Its funny that you say that cats cross boundaries a lot, because my experience has definitely been the opposite 😅 a dog is the size of a person too. When those cross my boundaries I usually get physically hurt. I suppose the experience of other people must be different lol

Its working, horrifyingly. In several communities lately ive seen moderators start to treat violent racism and antisemitism as personal beliefs that do not on their own necessitate banning. This in private progressive leaning communities too. Eugencist christian white nationalism is becoming a normal tolerated ideology to have.

Instagram is especially bad too. I see a lot of people talking about Twitter, but not enough about Instagram.

We don’t have to talk in hypothetical. The democratic party ran on a campaign of kicking immigrants out of the country, continuation of the declining state of late stage capitalism, and state sponsored slaughter of Palestinian children overseas.

They could have not done that. Its as simple as that. Straight forward. They could have run a campaign standing up for human rights and a platform of workers rights. Thats it. Thats the problem. The problem is a far right conservative party vs a fascist party and those are the only 2 parties. Democrats lost the election. If they had campaigned differently, they wouldn’t have lost. Demand better from politicians, not for people to vote for the murder of their own families.

Wild how in one breath you call for a complex nuanced web of cause and effect for why voting for Harris was a morally good choice despite her committing genocide, then in the next breath absolve of her of all responsibility for her defeat 😂 you are the exact reason the democratic party loses again and again and again. You are either a truly passionate neoliberal conservative who genuinely believes in the democratic party platform of western colonialism and unbounded American capitalism, or else you are so horrified by the prospect of actually doing anything to change the system that you’d actually vote for a fascist candidate if the democratic party ran with one.

How can you absolve Harris of all responsibility for her own loss when she campaigned on far right anti-immigration politics and literal genocide?? You seriously don’t believe she could’ve done anything differently to not lose the election? Youre furious some Palestinian Americans wouldn’t vote for her because she enthusiastically pledged to participate in the genocide of their people, but youre not mad at her for enthusiastically pledging to participate in genocide in the first place? Are you a zionist? I’m starting to think none of what you have to say makes any sense unless you yourself are a zionist.

If dems run a fascist next election against Trump, the trend has been “they move right we move right” since the Reagan administration, are you gonna vote for them? Will you speak up? Will you say “the blue antisemite is better than the red one”? Do you have any moral values whatsoever? Is your only moral qualm with Donald Trump that he’s crass?

You do you, and keep on punching down on those Palestinian Americans. You know, with an attitude like you’ve got you could probably swing that into a lucrative career at ICE. They love people who devote themselves to punching down on the marginalized.

Right, which the Harris campaign did by being more committed to zionism than to keeping Donald Trump out of power. Similarly to how she completely eschewed a working class first platform in favor of appealing to corporate sponsors. Maintaining American capitalism was more important to the Harris campaign than keeping Donald Trump out of power. That’s all her. No one did that to her.

Correct. She is at fault in this situation for being an enthusiastic supporter of genocide. Not the Palestinian Americans who demanded better from the democratic party.

Okay were going in circles but sure I will reiterate again, why not. Its incredible you can repeat it so many times and still not see how you’re just punching down on Palestinian Americans at this point for literally no reason but western spite towards an ethnic minority group.

1. The election is over. Your rage at them is based on a hypothetical alternate reality that does not and cannot exist.

2. An equally possible hypothetical alternate reality is one where Kamala denounced Israel for committing the Palestinian genocide and committed to ending American involvement in the ethnic cleansing of Palestine.

3. In that hypothetical reality the people who wouldn’t vote for her due to her support of genocide would have instead voted for her.

It is therefore ludicrous that your best possible solution to this situation is for the genocide to persist but for Palestinian Americans to vote for it to continue. Instead of Kamala changing her stance of enthusiastic support for genocide. Which she could’ve done at any time. And which would’ve gotten all those people to vote for her. Your rage should be directed at her placing support for Zionism over the defeat of a fascist candidate. It was more important to her that the Palestinian genocide continued than it was for Donald Trump to lose the election.

And, again, the election is over. We could have had a “no genocide” candidate if Kamala Harris had chosen to do so. So ill ask again, why are you spitting at Palestinian Americans for refusing to support someone participating in the ethnic cleansing of their people, instead of the woman who refused to commit to ending American participation in the Palestinian genocide? If she had done that, those people would have voted for her.

We’re talking about hypotheticals in either case. Your rage is fixated solely on people who wouldn’t vote for her because of her support for the Palestinian genocide, instead of at her for supporting it in the first place. It doesn’t make any sense. The end outcome wouldve been those people voting for her in either hypothetical scenario, so why are you so angry at them and not her when she had just as much of a say in this situation?

I mean I’m not really referring to the specifics of her station presiding over the senate but she was the second most powerful political figure in the Biden administration. Directly involved in the national security council (which would have definitely meant her involvement in decision making with regards to the Palestinian genocide). The Vice President also often provides ideological support to the president in functions of state. She more than had a platform to speak out if she thought what Israel was doing was wrong. She couldn’t his overrule his executive authority, but she was not under an obligation to support and agree with his actions in participating in the Palestinian genocide.

Nor was she obligated to campaign on continuing that genocide.

Giving money and arms to a genocidal state, yes, i would define as participating in genocide. Much like I would say companies who manufactured weapons used in past genocides did commit acts of genocide, even if they are not personally pulling the trigger.

The extent to which her direct involvement happened is debatable. Ill agree it is somewhat ceremonial but it isnt entirely and theres no way over the course of a year she was never at any point involved in the politics surrounding the genocide in Gaza. Providing ideological support for genocide can also be argued to be participating in it. “Israel has a right to defend itself.” Is a simple statement made by a citizen, an endorsement of zionism and of genocide. On the scale of a powerful political figure (vp of the US is more powerful in terms of direct political power than the leaders of many nations) it is actively participating in genocide, or committing it. I don’t draw a major distinction between the Nazis who wrote Der Stürmer and the SS. They were both pieces of an industry of genocide. In the same way I would argue the administration of Joe Biden was a major component of the industry of Palestinian genocide.

You can argue the nuances of this, sure. She also outright stated her intention to support the genocide going forward. If she hadn’t already participated in genocide (doubtful) then unless you believe she had a secret hidden agenda of Palestinian liberation she would certainly have participated in it after being elected.

You are really tieing yourself up in knots to justify why its fine for you to continue to support a woman who committed genocide.

Again, why is so much of your ire and criticism directed at people criticizing her and not Kamala herself? You realize that if she had stopped passionately endorsing genocide and had chosen to stand with the Palestinians then those same people would have voted for her? So in one case youre demanding that many people vote for someone committing genocide against their people, and in the other we are demanding that a political party stop committing genocide. Why, in this situation, is the focus of this vitriol you feel directed at the former and not the latter?

No one here has been talking about voting for Trump, least of all me.

No seriously I want to know why your beef is with people protesting genocide and not the people committing it. Explain it. Election is over, I’m not talking about this from the perspective of voting. Election was over an eternity ago at this point. Why are you presently spitting at Palestinian Americans who refused to vote for Kamala and not Kamala herself for participating in genocide against Palestinians?

Yes my 2 year old account with a long, long history of criticizing the democratic party and more broadly western liberalism is a bot account. 🙄