Technically, a sufficiently democratic state would make the workers indirectly in control (or directly in a direct democracy) if the businesses are state owned. Would make them socialist however and not communist, but that might be a bit pedantic.
I’ve had piles of tankies try to convince me that the workers in China are in fact the ones in control of the government (no mention of the means of production though 🤔),
I was referring to this. If the workers in china were actually in control of the government (which they aren’t), and the businesses were controlled by the state (which quite a few of them are, but not all), then that would be a form of socialism.
As it stands however it’s a capitalist oligarchy.
I would also like to say that I’m not arguing for this specific implementation of socialism, I’m elaborating on what is required for socialism in reference to how a tankie might deluded themselves into thinking that china is communist.
Technically, and in theory maybe, and even then only if the majority of business are actually owned by the state, but not in reality, and definitely not in China (or NK, or the USSR, or anywhere else claiming to be socialist, never mind communist) lol
Technically, a sufficiently democratic state would make the workers indirectly in control (or directly in a direct democracy) if the businesses are state owned. Would make them socialist however and not communist, but that might be a bit pedantic.
Technically, it just leads to corporate capture of the state.
You are using the term technically incorrectly :P
I was referring to this. If the workers in china were actually in control of the government (which they aren’t), and the businesses were controlled by the state (which quite a few of them are, but not all), then that would be a form of socialism.
As it stands however it’s a capitalist oligarchy.
I would also like to say that I’m not arguing for this specific implementation of socialism, I’m elaborating on what is required for socialism in reference to how a tankie might deluded themselves into thinking that china is communist.
Technically, and in theory maybe, and even then only if the majority of business are actually owned by the state, but not in reality, and definitely not in China (or NK, or the USSR, or anywhere else claiming to be socialist, never mind communist) lol