One really weird thing that stands out to me is
hard labour…picking litter, picking produce, clearing mine fields, cleaning up Chernobyl
Ok, so picking vegetables and cleaning up rubbish; is somehow equivalent to clearing explosives or cleaning up nuclear contamination.
So strange.
So voluntary watching of porn bad, mandatory watching of torture videos good? Or is this satire?
This is not satire. Niiwa-Angel is a pretty active TERF, who also routinely posts about wanting to kill trans women.
Most of the good porn is amateur couples anyway. Wonder what their take on that would be.
These takes bother me a lot less when I remember that there is a very high chance that the person making them is literally 14.
This is written by people that want to stop you getting your jollies at watching people fucking, and get their jollies at watching people being dismembered.
One of these things is not like the other.
Putting aside the psychotic torture fantasies of these unhinged weirdos, could I please give perspective?
I’m anti-pornography. I’m also a former sex worker. I don’t think that no one should consume porn, but you need to realize how horrific the porn industry truly is. It’s why I think people should consume amateur stuff, OF, and independent makers. Big name companies are abusive, full-stop. There are, of course, exceptions with smaller stuff, too, but if you knew what these women and girls AND many boys and men go through for the sake of porn, I hope you would be horrified and disgusted.
This is not a moralistic, prude, “Christian-viewpoint”-thing. Far from it! All I’m saying is that if most of y’all can be furious & boycott N×stlé for their human rights abuse, y’all should also look into ethical porn consumption.
Amateur porn tends to be way better anyway. The ladies look way less plastic and sad, the moans aren’t usually horribly overdone, and it’s just hotter in general.
This is where I am at. Sex work was dehumanizing and traumatizing. I was recorded once during an assault. There’s a lot of problematic attitudes towards sex that make the industry damaging and dangerous.
It’s just obnoxious that loons like this are so common in anti-porn spaces.
I don’t have any real disagreement, but I think the problem is capitalism. The abuses in sex work are more visceral, but capitalism will create horrors for a few pennies.
Which is a completely valid perspective, it’s stuff like this that is being posted that actually makes your perspective both be not noticed, why would it be when there is salacious and audacious takes to post and discuss but also undermines you, now some rando is going to read this and put you in this camp and automatically write you off as crazy and your ideas as immediately dismissible. The problem is that even if this is “rage bait” its existence and proliferation will silence you as a side effect, that’s the actual purpose of “rage bait”
100% OF, Chaturbate, or whatever. Only ethical way to go. The actors are fully in control of what they’re willing to do, and for how much.
Mostly, there are cases (Colombia for sure to my knowledge) where girls work at call center-like facilities operating OF, Chaturbate, etc accounts and hand over a cut to the owners of the facility.
Best case, it’s a contractor studio where girls with little to no money/access to the Internet and decent hardware can make a bit of money. I’m sure there are worse cases and would rather not think about how people twist that model into slavery.
Yup, for sure that happens. Esp in S America. But thankfully, it’s pretty easy to spot.
It’s also pretty easy to spot the folks who are totally independent, working out of their own homes, with their own gear.
Hell yeah.
but if you knew what these women and girls AND many boys and men go through for the sake of porn, I hope you would be horrified and disgusted
What do they go through?
Folks.
If you ever catch yourself describing how you want to torture someone to death, I want you to stop and take inventory of your priorities.
Look. I am not a pacifist. Some motherfuckers need to be removed from positions of power by any means necessary, up to and including violence.
That being said, should we not focus on restorative justice and rehabilitation? Why create unnecessary suffering in the process? The argument that things like the death penalty act as a deterrent doesn’t seem to be borne out in the evidence. What good is served by torturing someone, even if they’re the nastiest son of a bitch in existence?
It is important to make sure we don’t let killing for sport seep into our ideology. Using violence against people is not something we should take pleasure in, let alone fantasize about. History has given us plenty of examples to draw from here; once you make a policy out of sadism, the group of people you use violence against only grows.
Also, porn is fine in moderation (like everything else) and can be made totally consensually, you terminally online freaks.
Someone close to me was repeatedly raped by one of he neighbors from the age of 4 until she was 8. He did it to her sister and to his own daughter as well. For this the government gave him 6 years in prison. He was out before she graduated high school. She has a lifetime of shit to deal with because of his actions and I’m sure the other two do as well. There is nothing I wouldn’t do to make that motherfucker suffer. I don’t care if it’s “good” or if it deters anyone else from doing it. There’s no rehabilitation for someone like that or restoring what he took from them.
This is just rage bait.
I am not a gambling man. but I would bet everything I own, these two are into some freaky shit.
Weird TERF that is into transformers.
well there you go. I have a strong sense for the perverse.
there are many valid reasons to dislike porn and the industry around it, why are all anti-porn communities so fucking weird?
between this and nofap im not sure who i want to hang around with the least honestly (and anyways these spaces are almost always filled with transphobes)
For real - the industry is horrific. I don’t feel comfortable with the real stuff; I don’t like not knowing if that person was treated fairly or paid what they were promised or consented to everything that happened. Zero puritanical aspect to it, zero issue with smut and drawn images.
It’s just frustrating how the weirdos are the ones most critical of the industry. The world would be better if all porn was stuff made by eager participants who were happy and paid well.
Younger consumers seem to very disproportionately favor small studios and individual creators with actors who at least pretend to be enjoying themselves, so I think things are likely getting better, if maybe slowly.
Because it’s Christian extremism or the same but laundered through fake feminism
Right… because women don’t consume porn, right? Phew.
They also don’t produce it either apparently.
OnlyFans is just propaganda. Just like Australia, it doesn’t exist.
New Zealand literally doesn’t exist on about half the world maps. It’s like the map-makers get to the bottom right corner and go “ah, that’s good enough”.
Edit: I didn’t realise, but there’s even a Wikipedia page about the phenomenon:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omission_of_New_Zealand_from_maps
That’s why Sealand is the only untouched place in the book the Chrysalids
these people can’t figure out why no one sits with them at lunch
Very normal.
what the fuck
This person’s definitely got some trauma she’s not dealing with properly
they have no clue what percentage of people are porn consumers, huh?
I mean… Castrating 75% of the population would certainly put a damper on our rapid population growth, which would be good for everything except humans.
Human population growth is already plateaued and in the most developed nations it’s already net negative. in order to sustain break-even (human) population levels, there must be no fewer than 2.1 offspring born, on average, per {gestational reproductive caste specimen}<irrespective of masculine or feminine configuration>.
The human population of South Korea’s last reported birthrate is 0.78.
In japan, 1.26.
In the united states, 1.66.There will be so few able bodied humans extant to perform basic upkeep in 20 years that fundamental infrastructural systems will not JUST be crumbling to dust from sheer neglect as they are now, but actively self-destructing from sustained systemic cascade failure.
Hence, good for everything except humans. And the global population is still rising, though as you said developed countries are responsible for very little of that growth.
oh yeah no i was just agreeing with you on a ‘yes-and’ basis and stuff
the only reason any developed nation is population-positive right now is due to immigration – and now that america is cracking down on that… i wonder if we’ll actually see the population decrease soon.
There’s a reason Trump wants to give medals to women who have multiple kids, dangle a one-off shiny bauble as if that’ll offset the costs of having the kids.
Australia has been giving couples $5k for their first kid for the last couple of decades, hasn’t helped and our birth rate has dropped to 1.50.
There’s a good chance they’re porn consumers themselves and just feel weirdly shameful.
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Yeah, you’ll be surrounded by magical thinking, anti- intellectualism, or toxic positivity cottage core instead.
This is where the Overton window has shifted to. We’re now debating whether modern capital punishment is too humane for porn producers.
This is Tumblr. The overton window is about mainstream views.
The Overton window on Tumblr, then. I recall it was very different before the owners banned sexual content.
Yeah, I remember when Tumblr was full of users who were really obsessed with porn and smut in general.
I mean, you’re looking at one screenshot of one Tumblr post. If you look hard enough you’ll find someone advocating for any deranged view you can think of. I’m pretty sure that whatever the hell this is isn’t going to be a commonly held opinion.
