All hail The New California Republic. But in all seriousness, it wouldn’t surprise me if the United States has a balkanization event happen in the near future.
I don’t get why Oregon and Washington haven’t jumped on that bandwagon. Imagine the entire west coast working together. All Western seaports.
There is a Cascadia Independence movement but it’s not widely talked about.
The two heads representing the east and west coasts, obviously (please let us join you, California, when you go).
While I agree with telling Trump to go lick Elon’s balls, states are specifically forbidden from entering into trade agreements with foreign countries by the Constitution. To do this, California would need to be willing to secede from the Union. I’m okay with it.
You’re implying the constitution has any weight right now (it doesn’t)
I’d say fuckin do it
It depends on who’s breaking the law/constitution.
At this point it’s hardly the law and the constitution. These are just unpredictable whims of the people in power.
And it’s the same for the European union. European states can’t get trade agreements by themselves. So when you read “Italy is ready to talk with trump” is just sucking dick
Merkel had to explain that to Trump 11 times last time he was president. I bet he forgot it again.
Not really a matter of forgetting. Trump was a leading advocate for Brexit. He wants to see the EU dissolved.
Putin does anyway and thus so does Trump
More than those two, by a long shot. The AfD, the Le Penns, Reform UK, the list goes on.
The best I could tell from the article was that all he was doing was essentially lobbying foriegn countries to tailor their responses so that they hurt california less than other states. I can’t see any law blocking that. From what I could tell he wasn’t even offering anything real in exchange.
Texas couldn’t secede, probably because it’s a red state…how amazing would it be if California became it’s own country with actual progressive laws. I for one would allow it. Let them become Canada, Mexico or even it’s own. Do it Cali!
Let’s do it.
As i read this, i am remembered of Newsom meeting Trump, after he refused to help with Californian wildfires.
Why they all leaning forward except Newsom? lol
People misinterpret this image. Newsom isn’t point at Trump, he’s keeping the stack of people from falling over.
Fake news. Some journo hack used photoshop. Here’s the original, with Trup standing true and strong despite them all being on a hillside.
Skills mate, you got them. Nice one.
Cheers, fella! I’m AI1, me!
[1. AI: a two-letter abbreviation which commonly refers to Artificial Intelligence but which can also, although far less often, refer to Abject Imbecile.]
Newsom’s gravity powers are pulling them in. They can’t help it
Smooth criminals?
Why does that look like a photo of a bunch of Nazis?
Anyone speaking of secession - please, read history. We do not want to do that again, I don’t care what you believe in, it is a terrible idea. Please think it through beyond how admittedly awesome it would be in theory alone.
Wouldn’t MAGA supposedly be thrilled for California to leave?
I’m trying to imagine trumper militia marching into California saying, “we need to keep this liberal shithole and it’s 54 blue electoral votes”.
Yeah, it would be devastating for the US economy, but if MAGA has told us anything it’s that they prefer to tank the economy than embrace any kind of diversity.
Now city-states on the other hand…
It’s even worse today. The amount of interconnected systems we have in play would be absolutely chaos to try and separate.
We didn’t have to worry about power grids, networking, food was FAR more local, it would take years to try to isolate yourself from it all on a statewide scale.
Maybe Cali could make an agreement to join Canada or EU.
You’ll need easy access to Canada. What better way than to have a close Canadian Province? - Wa state
cExit?
CalOut
It’s really not legally possible, meaning your either having a revolution, a civil war, or the USA has no ability to stop you as it’s effectively over.
Unless CA has military bases that would fully side with them, as in all the ones in CA and they would need other states, THEN a war could be possible, but that is very unlikely, currently there’s no military that could beat the US military, so it’s not even worth going over unless the US dissolves.
The civil war only happens if the U.S. attacks after a secession, but the state that single most funds the U.S. military is California, if you include Washington and Oregon in the secession you now end up with 19ish% of the countries budget and a sizable percentage of the military bases. With the American civil war there was somewhat defined lines of north vs south but this would be fights inside their own states.
And the sentiment of half the East Coast (the one that matters) would be sympathetic to the secessionists
How would a state secede from the US? Like, what’s the actual process?
The state government would put forwards a local movement to secede from the US, and if it actually passed the federal government would butt in and go “you can’t secede, that’s completely illegal and unconstitutional” (it is), at which point the state would either go “oh well” and stand down or say “go suck eggs” and continue trying to secede, which the federal government would treat as rebellion or insurrection.
So, easy then! We know insurrections aren’t a big deal and have no real consequences. Full steam ahead!
/s just in case
The FBI is going to pull a Sea Bear attack on you but wait you used “/s” so you’re good to go. LOL
Even if the federal government says “okay”. They may actually turn around and pretend it never happened… or they can start a war with them.
I don’t think the GOP would start a war just to start a war. They are a party grounded in principles and morals, and aren’t petty little bitches.
/s
There is no process. States cannot just up and say “see ya” on their own, we fought a war over that.
If the people felt that it would be OK for a state to leave, the proper thing to do would be to pass an amendment stating a process, and then the state would do it. There would be a lot of details to hammer out: does the State get to keep Federal property (like military bases)? Does it inherit a share of the deficit? What happens to deferred US taxes on things like 401k accounts?
IMHO it would take so long to hammer that stuff out that it’s basically impossible.
“But it’s not legal!”
Have you learned nothing the past three months? Laws are what we make of them.
A state seceding is a simple process:
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The state passes an act to allow it.
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The sitting president endorses the idea and agrees to let them go peacefully.
That’s it. The United States Constitution itself was illegally written, an exercise in simple willful power. State secession works the same way.
Part 2 is the hard part though
Meh. If everyone in California pitched in $1 and we straight up bribed him $35 million, I’m pretty sure he’d go off screaming about what a great idea it is and MAGA would eat it up.
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In short: War. I’m not being hyperbolic either.
You need to amend the constitution which requires 38 states to agree to it that considering how many right wing states hate California doesn’t sound impossible
That’s what the Civil War was about, there is no legal way to exit were one nation period end of story millions of dead soldiers proved it.
If a state tried to leave they would have to prove they could no matter the laws. It would be war. No ifs ands or buts. That means having a military that could take out the US military. Currently the top Airforce in the world is the US Airforce, the second largest Airforce is the US Navy, then it’s Russia, then it’s the US Army. Unless you can somehow convince the military to side with you when you leave, it’s not going to happen. I would imagine if you tried to claim it legally the best you could hope for is Federal agents walking in the second said state gov claims independence, and idk arresting the heads of state for treason, and telling said state to elect a new gov.
But what is the US military going to do? go to a state that wants to secede and just kill everyone in it??
There is a historical example, but given the outcome, I don’t think it would be a good idea to follow that blueprint.
Would be fun to watch companies from other states bypass the tariffs by buying California products.
Then of course, Trump will propose tariffs on a State.
It would be hilarious if only red states had tariffs with the rest of the world.
This is based on a quote “look at new opportunities to expand trade” and a tweet “California is here and ready to talk.” How definitive do those two things sound? How definitive does Newsweek’s title sound?
Newsweek is a gossip rag.
Newsweek is pretty close to a tabloid these days. They are a tad better than the NY Post, but not by much.
lol i’m considering a move to Tijuana so i can commute to San Diego… if California can nix the chicken tax then i’m moving.
Secede and then we can trade :)
Trump has got another great idea. A tax of 1.5 million dollars for each ship made in China that will dock at any American port, or 1 million if the ship is not made in china but the shipper fleet has a majority of Chinese ships.
So, off before they did like California, Panama, Louisiana, new York, those stops will increase the price of shipping by 4.5 million dollars.
Trump thinks that in this way, in a couple weeks, shipyards will reopen in the states and everyone will buy American ships. Because it takes a couple days to build an oil tanker
Result:
They’ll just unload the goods in Canada or Mexico then use trains/trucks. For oil and coal and wheat and other stuff that can’t be easily transported by land without ax existing infrastructure, that’s an additional 20% cost on top of tariffs. Inflation go go go
Yeah Trump wants the US to be a great shipbuilder again… but for that you need materials (steel), workers who want to do that sort of job( he’s deporting a lot of people) and skill to manufacture ships…
He thinks by taxing countries or companies, they will go to the US, but they won’t, and if they do it takes time and a lot of investment…
EU is already trying to specifically target products from red states with tariffs.
That’s not going to work in practice. The US economy is even more tangled under the hood than it is internationally.
Might as well say you’re taking a called shot on someone’s left ventrical, because you don’t want to hurt any other part of their body.
I’d prefer that they at least try to target them
Source? (No doubt, just looking forward tobreading more)
Not sure what media you prefer, find a nice article here: https://www.ecosia.org/search?q=eu+targetting+red+states
I think that’s the nicest “LMGTFY” kind of response I’ve seen. Kudos to you, my friend.
just secede already.
Fuck companies who do that. United they shall fall.
Funnily enough, there’s actually hostoric precedent for trying. Emphasis on trying.
Well, they could make a deal to buy at a price adjusted for tariffs so it’s a lower price then compensate for that with lower prices on CA exports you don’t actually need to stop tariffs legally, they can be worked around the trick is trading something back that makes up the difference and costs less than the tariff to give.
