Yea people think he means CDU but given he is literally a fascist grandpa it is more like that he is either confusing CDU with AfD or thinks that AfD has won because of all the ruckus going on
Jokes on him. What he sees as German conservatives is mostly in line with US Democrats. The German version of the Republicans are the AfD, the Nazi party.
why is there a trump tweet on my all, better block this community
The AfD is only second strongest party. Also, no matter what anyone says. The real winners are the leftist party who got 8.7%.
I’m fairly far left but the strong LINKE might actually fuck us over pretty hard. They are strong enough that they’re able to block increased defense spending together with the AfD in a time where increased national and European security might just be our most existential issue.
They are strong enough that they’re able to block increased defense spending together with the AfD
Does Germany have some rules that defence spending requires a 2/3rds supermajority or something? Linke and AfD cannot stop anything on their own if a simple majority is required. The Union and SPD have a slim majority between them, and add the Greens and you’ve got an extremely strong majority.
The only way the conservatives get the funding for increased arms manufacturing is by disabling/changing something about the debt ceiling.
Debt ceiling is in the basic law (constitution), which requires a 2/3 majority to be altered.
Linke are against the debt ceiling in general, but not if it’s only disabled for military spending while still preventing investments in public infrastructure. I think with a bit of diplomacy and concessions in the wording, Linke can be persuaded here.
Oh yeah I’ve heard some commentators talking about the debt brake before, and how some are pushing to do away with it. It didn’t occur to me that military spending would specifically be the sticking point there.
The real winners are the leftist party who got 8.7%.
Probably most of those voters voted SPD or die Grüne before but lost trust. Happened in Belgium too…
Yep. SPD lost way more to Union and AfD, though, and the Greens got out of this whole thing relatively unscathed, they have a quite stable basis.
Fun fact: Die Linke gained more voters from CDU and FDP than they lost to the AfD.
switching from a socialist party to afd seems wild to me but ok
Protest voters be protest voting. Unless what they want is actually achieved they’ll start hopping from party to party, usually in the direction of “this will be the greater middle finger to the establishment”. It’s people who think that kicking their car when it doesn’t start will fix it.
In Belgium they also pulled votes from the far right, though.
that’s just people who want change but don’t know what to vote so they just vote for whichever populist politician screams harder
Its exactly like this. Most of their voters came from these two parties.
Because the right-wing CDU/CSU has won and the right-wing AfD is right behind it? These are the fruits of 16 years of Merkel with “We can do it”. It started with her migration policy etc. and the attacks increased but only at times when they wanted to overturn laws or introduce new ones.
This moved the population to the right. (We can do it… Making Germany right-wing again < that’s how it should have been understood!) So the AfD happen to be former CDU/CSU voters… Germany gave up its sovereignty yesterday.Democracy is broken!
The “we can do it” part wasn’t the problem, the problem was not backing it up with enough funds for states and municipalities to actually do a proper job. Which is a can of worm of fiscal politics if there ever was one because the reason the states are broke is because the wealth tax got suspended back in 1997. Kohl era shit.
The problem was that Merkel contributed everything to the division. She wanted destability etc. What is the best way to get a country to the right? You flood it with refugees with the aim of dividing it “we can do it” did not refer to managing the refugee situation… ( DE has helped itself that there are so many refugees at all ) But a party can hardly say “we are do it to dismantle democracy in order to impose our own will”.
I’m schizotypal, I know paranoid narratives when I see them. Get a grip. Touch some grass. Less consumption, more actual engagement with politics. Join Die Linke.
The video was 15 years ago lol. All the surveillance systems etc. that were implemented afterwards for spy citizen… You could also look at Snowden etc. again. It’s people like you why it’s getting worse. But the main thing is to hide your head in the sand so you don’t notice anything, right?
Dude I was in the fray, on the ground, when the Pirates were founded. And I wasn’t talking about the video when calling shit paranoid, didn’t even watch it.
Oh, so you belong to the faction that discredits others as aluhut carriers and then years later is completely surprised when the whole shit is suddenly reality. One of the main reasons why it turns out so shitt( And why others started to think the pirates just sucks, because in addition to the kindergarten within the party, voters like you were added. Really, thanks for the shit!) Thank you for trampling on civil rights etc.
So the AfD happen to be former CDU/CSU voters…
Not directly. The biggest group of AfD Voters are former non voters. But in terms of voters who migrated to the AfD the biggest group can from the CDU.
Tell me you dont know shit about the german voting system without telling me you dont know shit about the german voting system.
Do not discredit our supreme leader. His knowledge of the German voting system is equally refined as all his other knowledge.
Trump you arent conservative Also you clearly dont understand how we do governments over here
He doesn’t understand how they do government in America, and he’s in charge of it.
Dude does not understand how german elections work lmao. Nobody won that election, the conservatives got 28% of the vote. There will be at least a 3 party coalition and things could become pretty complicated.
I’m not usually one to agree with trump, but doubling your representation in a single election is a win. An incredibly concerning win, in this case. It bodes poorly.
The (almost extremist) “conservatives” gained like 3 percent points or something since the last election. Plus, they have been in the government for like 80% of the time since WW2. Trump is soooo anti establishment but these guys ARE the most establishment anyone in Germany could be. They are not the solution to people’s problems, they are the ones who caused many of the problems in Germany.
The “conservative party” is the CDU/CSU, and even though they won, they just had their second worst result since the 1950s.
thank you, this makes me feel better
It shouldn’t. They did so poorly because 10% of the German electorate shifted even farther to the far right AfD, and another 10% had already done so in previous elections.
Don’t confuse the electorate shifting with non-voters turning up to give a finger to the whole system, that’s the AfD’s biggest gain. This shit will continue until rent becomes affordable again or another party manages to capture the same vote.
While in this case, Trump clearly speaks about the party with the largest share, i.e. CxU — it would too make sense for Trump to call Afd “conservatives.” Because that’s the fun equivalence US Republicans use, as even they don’t seem to want to identify as “regressives”.
It’s a win for the party, but a win for the party is different from winning the election.
In the last Australian federal election, the Greens quadrupled their number of seats. It was absolutely a huge win for the Greens. But going from 0.7% of seats to 2.6% cannot mean you “won” the election. (Also…wow…that shows just how gross single winner elections are. Even with preferential voting. When a party that consistently gets over 10% of the votes is able to win less than 3% of seats and call that a huge win. Proportional systems like Germany’s MMP are amazing!)
Whether you want to say the CDU/CSU “won” the German election, IMO, depends less on how their vote changed relative to the last election, and more on whether you want to say the party that ends up selecting the Chancellor “won” an election, even if they need to go into a three party coalition. My personal take is that yes, it’s not unreasonable to say they won.
They didnt double. Olaf Scholz wasnt elected because he was liked. He and SPD last time got the most votes because media slammed against greens, and the CDU/CSU lies and corruption was layed open. Now people forgot who governed the most time and voted union again
AfD (Conservatives Trump was looking for) doubled their vote, but won’t be part of government. Party with the most votes went from 23% to 28%.
Now I’m confused, afd won’t be part of the German government? Why is that?
Dude because they’re literal Nazis
In parliamentary democracies, the “government” is the term used for the ruling party or coalition. Even more specifically, it’s used for the Ministers. It’s a more specific term than just referring to all elected representatives sitting in the parliament (the Bundestag, in the case of Germany, or maybe the Bundestag & Bundesrat). Comparing it to the American system, “government” is somewhat analogous to the “executive”—the President and Cabinet Secretaries—except that it’s a fuzzy term and can also mean the non-ministerial members of parliament who are allied with the ministers.
So the AfD will not be a part of the Government because both the CDU/CSU and SPD have placed a cordon sanitaire around the AfD. They refuse to work with them because they view them as dangerous extremists. It would be theoretically possible for the CDU/CSU to break that cordon and form a government between just their party and the AfD, or they can form a traffic light coalition with the SPD and Green party. The latter seems more likely, given recent German political history.
Because the actual party with the most votes categorically refused to work with them. Going inti a coalitiin with the 3rd placed SPD will still guarantee the CDU a majority in the Bundestag.
Cause they can’t find common ground and form alliances with other parties, to form a majority.
At least that is how I understood it.
can you explain your reasoning here?
The context comment makes much more sense, that this is not a conservative win, and Trump is too dumb to realize that that.
Imagine that your place of work, a sizable but far from monopolistic company, suddenly finds itself with twice the clientele. You now service 20% of the market where before you serviced only 10. How might your boss describe that situation? Because mine would call it a win, with very little coaxing.
so if the situation was entirely different, with different aims, one could draw a different conclusion?
surrre.
I understand that you don’t want to panic about this, and you don’t need to. I have more than enough panic to cover for you. Gotchu, babycakes
yeah, I’ll definitely leave the unnecessary panicking to you guys. not my jam.
Since FDP and BSW didnt make it into the parliament SPD, CDU should be able to form a coalition. Only Problem, the SPD Chancellor candidate announced they dont want to coalate with the CDU. We may see the same Situation as in Austria.
Scholz only said that he personality doesn’t want to do the coalition talks. Someone else from the SPD will do them.
Ah, than I misunderstood him.
the SPD Chancellor candidate announced they dont want to coalate with the CDU.
I thought Scholz announced that he would step back since he wouldn’t be able to be chancellor? (If I read the Dutch news right.) Which is something else from blocking a CDU coalition.
If the AfD votes for Merz, then he will become chancellor. But that doesnt mean that they will form a coalition so its gonna be interesting.
If Merz tries to get himself elected without having secured practically all conservative PMs will call for his head, the Churches are going to let themselves be heard, loudly, there’d be a coup within the CDU/CSU faction. They barely followed him in that stunt last time they’re not going to do it when it actually matters.
Nah, they won. And there will probably be a Union-SPD or Union-AfD coalition.
I’ve also read that the other parties have stated that they will not form a coalition with th AfD, so Trump’s friends will not have a seat at the table.
They’ll still have way too many in parliament though. :(
Yeah, well Merz is a special kind of person so I wouldn’t hold my breath for that promise “not to form a coalition” with the AfD. Let’s see what the next weeks bring.
Merz already tried to form a majority for a vote in the parliament with the AfD, just a few weeks ago. There might not be a coalition, but I expect them working together.
Who is the “GENTLEMAN NAMED DONALD J. TRUMP”? I know of no such person. I know who Donald J. Trump is, but he is most certainly not a “gentleman” by any definition I’m familiar with.
Unfortunately, our projected future chancellor is very similar to Trump in certain aspects, especially rhetorics and spitting bullshit, then being utterly incompetent when asked specifics.
Who, Widrich Schmerz?
Fritz von Papen.
Americans don’t know any better, tbh
We educated them wrong, as a joke
Squeaky shoe noises
THATS A LOT OF NUTS
Like every other narcissist, he makes good news from others all about him. He’s so insecure, he can’t be anywhere but in the spotlight.
You’re so vain, you probably think this election’s about you, you’re so vain.
What are the typical beliefs of the Christian Democratic Union (CDU) / Christian Social Union (CSU)?
You can find their agenda for this election on their website.
Social market capitalism is a core tenet. That means free enterprise and corporation friendly policies, while also taking care of the unemployed, health insurance, and so on. Traditional family values and German national identity are important. Anti drug, but pro choice. Strict on crime and public order. Belief in meritocracy, compromise, and pragmatism. Sceptical regarding immigration. Pro EU, pro NATO, pro USA.
Similar to a center right democrat in the US, except with more conservative ideas regarding immigration and multiculturalism.
Ironically, independence from the US:
https://www.dw.com/en/german-election-friedrich-merz-urges-independence-from-us/live-71700729
I’m not German and don’t have any special insight into German politics, but until someone that knows better comes along I can at least offer that it’s Angela Merkel’s old party. Unless something has shifted drastically, it’s the Germany we’ve known for most of the past twenty years
Something has shifted quite dramatically. Under Merz, the C*U has shifted to the right, almost copying the extreme right AfD’s program in certain points, became very populist. A standstill like during the Merkel years could be a best case scenario atm.
No, the CDU didn’t shift, they put someone from a different wing in the top position. I guess the long and short of it that neither Günther or Wüst were interested in a show-off with Merz who had bees up his arse ever after Merkel quit, given that she previously ousted him from the candidacy position. They’re both perfectly comfortable ruling their respective states, why bother, if Merz goes too far for their liking they’re still in a position to but brakes on that.
Like, the CDU polls at around 40% in SH state elections, while the federal result is 27.6%. Everyone knows the CDU left wing has more pull than the right, they’re letting Merz be Merz.
Yes, they did shift. Their program is far more right-wing than a few years ago, the rhetorics, their propositions, are far closer to the AfD than even under Laschet.
Who is “they”, here. Point out people who have shifted.
The CDU as a party, as it states their goals inntheir program, the politicians their base elects as their leaders and speakers and the rhetorics that are popular.
I addressed that, there’s a reason I posted poll numbers and compared them to election results. Merz has nothing on Günther when it comes to pulling votes, if he (or Wüst) had ran for Merz’ office they’d very likely have won. And they would have run, had Merz been Gauland, or one of the Werteunion guys.
Noone wanted to oppose Merz because he’s not too far right to be intolerable, also, it’s his turn. The CDU’s right and left wing have co-existed since the end of the war nothing about this is new and there’s whole states to keep Merz in check. We’re getting a bit of controlled CSU at the federal level.
Also the migration debate is all but guaranteed to vanish as soon as people start talking about getting nukes.
I’m sure they’re just “letting” the right wing take control as the world descends into fascism and “centrists” ally with fascists all over.
True, but Merz is far More right than Merkel was, especially, when speaking of women and immigrants.
Also Merkel got a lot more percent oft the public vote (that counts here - wie do not habe the winner takes it all). Merz got the second worst result of his Party in history and will need to make a coalition with maybe even 2 other parties.
Merz re-iterating the “no AfD coalition” statement has reassured me somewhat. If they need two other parties that’s probably even better, because it doesn’t seem like any of the other major players would tolerate being in an AfD coalition
He can ban the fucking Nazis for being Nazis if he wants to reassure people.
They are as Christian as the Evangelical Right in the USA.
Uhh… it’s he president of Germany, now, too? /s, obvi
So ending up with a parliament that is made up of probably a minimum of three parties, which will result in fairly boring, moderate policies most of the time, headed by someone who’s made it crystal clear a Trump led USA is the opposite of what he wants and who has pledged full backing for Ukraine…is a Trump win…?
I mean, no its not great AfD picked up so much of the polling but not even Trump can realistically claim this as a victory.
Parliament seats are assigned proportionally, not according to the party with the most votes in a district. https://www.politico.eu/europe-poll-of-polls/germany/#results
Five parties are represented: conservative center right CDU, hard right AfD, social democrat center left SPD, center left Greens, radical left Linke.
Trump can realistically claim this as a victory
Trump will always claim victory regardless of facts.
