Trump freed 1500 criminals who wanted to kill elected officials in a terrorist-style seige of the capital.
But yeah, go punish a national hero.
Killing someone is exactly how you get a really fucking angry crowd who will remember his name seek revenge.
I think there’s even a word for it. Let me go ask my friend Marty R.
If Luigi Mangione get killed he will live forever as a martyr of the workers. His name will forever be etched into history and a new wave of revolutions will arrive, a working class united against the rising tide of fascism.
You’d think Trump would be aware of the martyrdom argument. Maybe not.
Question: Will “The Government’s most solemn responsibility is to protect its citizens from abhorrent acts” be on the gates to the concentration camps?
The wealthy will make an example out of him. Meanwhile, they will continue holding up Daniel Penny as the right kind of extrajudicial murderer.
Viva la révolution? 🔪
Vive* la révolution (français) ou viva la revolución* (espagnol)
Oui désolée vous avez raison, mais… por qué no los dos? lol
No le entiendo a tu español amigo
I combined French and Spanish in my first comment by accident. I did it intentionally in my response to the correction. The first part is French and says “yeah sorry, you’re right, but…” and the second part is how I’ve seen “why not both” used in Spanish. 2x the revolution, you know?
I’ll show myself out.
Good. They should try to get the death penalty which will put the jury under the maximum pressure to nullify.
I wonder if some of the legal fund can be used for public service announcements to educate the public on jury nullification. IIRC judges don’t like to hear that kinda talk in court.
I hope you’re right, but would bet against nullification actually happening either way.
Even if they find him guilty, he could be pardoned after the revolution.
Im betting trump personally assigns Eileen Canon to this case to ensure democracy is 100% dead and no jury verdict will be allowed
Nullifying it federally doesn’t matter if he gets life without parole in New York anyway.
If he’s actually put to death, he’ll become a martyr. Saint Luigi Mangione. If this doesn’t spark a revolution, we’re fucking toast. I hate this fucking timeline.
He killed one of the Kings white stags on his lands.
St. Luigi of Hood.
He didn’t even kill. He’s innocent.
He’s innocent until proven guilty. But there does seem to be a strong case that he did kill him.
Impossible. Luigi and I were white water rafting in Idaho on the day of the murder. Luigi and I love white water rafting.
Nah, you were with his brother, Mario. It’s easy to mistake the two. I was with Luigi, he was vacationing in Denmark with me.
You are mistaken, you were with his evil counterpart, waluigi! I was with luigi, riding a mighty scots pine as it floated down the rivers of british columbia.
No no no. You see, you couldn’t have been with Luigi because he and I were horseback riding in Montana at that time.
Oh no, don’t tell her Waluigi fooled me again?
“I would have liked to have seen Montana.”perhaps Captain Borodin, in a another life. maybe even sometime say oh i dunno in the third arc of that life you’ll be a professor and run a failing dig site at Fort Peck Lake, Montana for fossils!
I can’t read the text 💀
If so, why is he pleading innocent?
He pled not guilty. You don’t plead innocence in court.
He has to prove that he is not guilty of the case brought by the prosecution. That’s what not guilty means. He only has to disprove the specifics of the case brought against him.
Its the procetutor’s job to prove, it is the defendant’s job to disprove.
Pleading not guilty is the right choice. Either his lawyers think he’s not guilty, and this plea lets them beat the charges, or he is guilty and this plea delays the inevitable.
If he pled guilty that would skip the main part of the trial and go straight to sentencing. Pleading guilty is rarely a good idea unless you are making a deal for a reduced sentence.
The prosecution has to prove. The defense only needs to introduce reasonable doubt. Not that these are the sort of fine points that will matter when the show trial starts.
It’s all just game theory. It’s a 2x2 grid of (actually guilty, actually not guilty) and (plea guilty, plea not guilty). You add up the risks and rewards for each box and usually not guilty is the better choice
He isn’t. There is no plea of innocence in the US system. He pled not guilty. There’s plenty of daylight between innocence and not being guilty as charged.
I think it was a case I heard about on Criminal podcast where a man who turned himself in for having killed a man a long time ago and took full responsibility ended up pleading not guilty at his lawyer’s insistence. He thought there was a reasonable chance for a more lenient sentencing that way than pleading guilty. Can’t remember what the reasoning was.
funny thing Witty dint even bat an eye, one of his underlings got shot.
This is so ridiculous. He killed a dude. That’s worthy of the death penalty (not in Texas)!? People have done worse to many people, or children, or… and not been sentenced to death.
Even if you’re 100% against murder in all circumstances and feel he should be locked up forever, you have to see this is just CEO’s exercising their outsized influence to discourage further punishment of the 1% and corporate leaders that prey on Americans…
Trump himself and all of his rich friends on Epstein’s island have done way worse than Luigi. At least I consider the systematic rape of children and human trafficking worse than killing a mass murderer.
The more that Trump floods the zone with bullshit, the more likely the defense can convince a judge that a fair trial is impossible.
They’re not even going to pretend that people are equal. The Donvict, President Musk, and the MAGAstappo deeply believe that rich white men are worth more than anyone who isn’t one of them, and will use the full force of the law as they interpret it to protect their interests.
Just you wait. They’re going to push for laws specifically protecting what they’ll call “High Value Citizens” or something to that effect. Give it time.
It’s called VIP and the concept isn’t new.
“VIP” getting you a special booth at a restaurant or preferential treatment at a business is one thing.
“VIP” giving you special legal protections and immunity to prosecution is another. As bad as “VIP” bias is now, just wait until it’s actually codified into law and you’ll see why “Second class citizen” is such a ubiquitous term for the systematically oppressed.
I’m sure the SCROTUS will find some reason to invalidate the Constitutional forbidding of a nobility soon. Like they ignored the Constitutional bar to holding office by participants in an insurrection.
Not codified?
Some opportunities are codified to only VIPs - e.g. you can’t invest in a hedge fund legally unless you have certain net worth.
Punishments? If a punishment for a crime is monetary (like a fine), it’s an absolute, not percentage based, so wealthy and not people are affected very differently by it.
What else do you want? Literal human hunting license?
So you are saying that VIP has a specific legal definition?
I see this as “if I’m going to get the death penalty anyway, might as well take out as many of them as I can.”
Murder is legal in self-defense or to save the live of another.
That’s how you need to look at this.
Self-defense and defending another person are both defenses against a murder charge. Neither of those acts is in itself murder. Killing another person is homicide. For it to be murder, additional factors have to be considered.
It’s not murder if it’s done in self-defense or to save the life of some other innocent person. It’s justifiable homicide.
Depends on what country you live in. In Canada that is not a valid reason to kill.
I understand what you’re getting at but self-defense requires an imminent risk of physical harm.
You can’t self-defense a bank employee who might harm you by declining your loan application.
You can’t self-defense your alcoholic neighbor because they might drive drunk later and kill someone.
Most legal systems would not justify lethal force to stop murder by omission unless the omission creates an immediate life-threatening situation and there is no other reasonable alternative.
We can even pinpoint the exact moment it becomes life-threatening without a reasonable alternative; When these spawns of the devil have a momentary self-reflective thought while moving their pencil to the checkbox to deny a valid healthcare claim. In that moment they either help their fellow human, or commit murder.
I call bullshit on that. Post the law that makes it legal.
Of which country?
I generalized the law of most civilized countries.
Look up murder by omission or something.
Or killing OJ
People kill people in war and they don’t go to jail. Luigi fought for us in the war against abusive healthcare monopoly prices. He is a hero and should be freed.
His is a wonderful use case for jury nullification. Just remember never to use that term during deliberations. Just vote not guilty, and if pressed, say that the evidence doesn’t support the charge. And say nothing more. Jurors are not obliged to explain their reasoning to the judge or to other jurors.
This actually isn’t enough, right? It just results in a hung jury, and the prosecution gets another bite at the apple. You need to actively convince your fellow jurors to render a not-guilty verdict.
Luigi has become such an icon and crystallized so many frustrations that I’m hopeful his conviction will finally spark the rebellion this country desperately needs. Hopefully in time before it turns into a fully fledged dictatorship - so, pretty soon.
If they convict him there’s likely to be mass riots.
There’s no “if” here, it’s “when”.
Whether or not Luigi did it, somebody needs to made an example of by the ultra-rich class and the corporate world for murdering one of their own. That person is Luigi.
I expect a mistrial to be totally honest. They can’t shield the jurors from enough outside influence that not a single one buckles at least in my opinion.
No
Great contribution to the discussion there.
Yes
free luigi <3
Trump, in an executive order: “The Government’s most solemn responsibility is to protect its citizens from abhorrent acts, and my Administration will not tolerate efforts to stymie and eviscerate the laws that authorize capital punishment against those who commit horrible acts of violence against American citizens.”
Abhorrent acts like denying over 1/4 of healthcare coverage claims? Abhorrent acts like demanding surgeons scrub out and immediately call back the insurer to justify the surgery that they were in the middle of performing?
No, of course not.
The other side of that coin is that capital punishment doesn’t protect anyone from anything. In fact, it puts us all in more danger for a variety or reasons, including:
- The State can kill you with impunity if so desired
- Where capital punishment exists, people who commit crimes are more likely to escalate to more heinous acts in order to evade capture
capital punishment is only there to satiate conservative voters in the countries, they love this. otherwise the states wouldve all eliminated them already.
I only wanted to point out the hypocrisy, but you make a good point:
Where capital punishment exists, people who commit crimes are more likely to escalate to more heinous acts in order to evade capture
I forgot:
- Innocent people get executed a lot.
And this indirect effect, even when the person sentenced to death is undeniably guilty:
- Opportunity cost. The legal process of appeals that goes on before a convicted person is actually executed is more costly than life imprisonment. The money spent on that process is not spent on constructive public good.
This shit comes from the same mouth that incited a fucking riot and tried to overthrow the government. Fuck this piece of dog shit.
By his own decree his 2020 administration should be facing capitol punishment for acts of federal agents in Portland and other cities during peaceful protests over unrest at the time.
1/3 which is much worst than 1/4 denial.
For science, here’s the fund if you’re curious…
I’m glad this turned out to be legit. I had wallet out on day one of this campaign.
It’s literally for science, considering the opposition.
Thanks. Donated.
Rich fucks are afraid he might go after them if he gets out of jail one day.
Even moreso, I think they’re worried this will normalize violence against their class, so they want to make an example of him. One Luigi can be imprisoned or executed; a thousand Luigis is a bigger problem.
I like the sound of one thousand Luigis
Ironic point, given making a martyr of someone is a better way to galvanize supporters. Big reason we… er, people, haven’t assassinated Trump.
they had to consistently astroturf him on MSMS and some anti-luigi comments on places like reddit to bring conservative back under thier fold, not even the grifters were fooling them at the time, it took like a month later to use one russian issued grifter, jack to do it.
