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    My beef with Lemmy:

    • It’s weighted towards politics
    • Not a lot of niche sub critical mass yet (though this is not its fault at all)
    • But holy moly, it’s a political purity test! Like, I think of myself as pretty socialist, way far off center, but I feel totally alone veering off certain topics or even acknowledging certain things! I’m (mostly) not getting banned, and I am not leaving, but still.
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      But holy moly, it’s a political purity test! Like, I think of myself as pretty socialist, way far off center, but I feel totally alone veering off certain topics or even acknowledging certain things! I’m (mostly) not getting banned, and I am not leaving, but still.

      I saw people advocating for damaging people’s Teslas and it was fucking stupid. Beyond the fact that many people are not in a position where they can just get rid of a car over political reasons, it is likely many or even the majority of Tesla owners do not vote Republican (conservatives have been much slower to adopt EVs): you’re very likely going to damage vehicles owned by totally innocent people.

      I own a non-Tesla EV but either way it would be excessively expensive to switch to another car on a whim, and I sure as hell am not going to deprive my family just because seeing my car’s brand hurts people’s feelings.

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        that part is wierd, conservatives dont own EVS, PERIOD fox has been telling how evs are a }pansy liberal thing", cybertruck is anomaly though.

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        Agree with the sentiment, I feel like cybertrucks deserve an exemption though, agree or disagree?

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            or it can damage you by slicing you in two, i heard one instantly cut a deer in half when it crashed into one.

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          If this is your form of protest at least target someone who has materially contributed to this state of affairs, and by that I don’t mean random Republican voters.

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            People who have materially contributed to this state of affairs Republican voters

            This Venn diagram is a circle.

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      I feel like 3 kinda comes with the territory of politics. The sort of people who mod political forums have more rigid ideas of what ideas should prevail in the discourse than someone modding a board for embedded electronics, not that that’s an inherently bad thing.

      It just feels worse because a greater portion of Lemmy is politics; here I’ve caught bans for being insufficiently pro-Kamala months after the election or not going along with a china bad circlejerk, but at reddit people catch bans for “John Brown did nothing wrong” or just posting footage from Palestine.

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        the gaza/palestine thing is very tricky, many of the subs have been infiltrated by pro-israeli mods, early on the war, they were spamming “jews are doing nothing wrong, if we jews dont destroy them they will destroy us”, i pointed out in one, where the war was instigated and started by the same person who is keeping himself out of jail in israel.

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          Pro-zionist sentiment was definitely prevalent on here following Oct 7th. It took many months for anti-zionist sentiment to outpace it, thanks to many people debunking their misinformation and sharing articles that showed the reality that most Western Media downplayed if not ignored

          On places like reddit, we mostly continue to see more and more banning of anything anti-zionist. r/Palestine might be the only place left that isn’t aggressively pro-zionist on there

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        Yeah. To be clear, I don’t feel “persecuted” by the administration, just the community. That’s a very important difference.

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        I’ve caught bans for being insufficiently pro-Kamala

        I talked some shit during the election and didn’t cop a ban lol. I guess you either had more visibility or were in even more extreme places than I was?

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      For the moment, I just don’t engage in political discussion on Lemmy. It is way to extreme for me in general. It makes sense tho that those who don’t feel their opinions fit anywhere else (or get them banned etc.) gather in a place that allows for freer discussion, which I think is a good thing really.

      And also just posting about niche music makes me happier than getting angry online so… That’s been a good motivation.

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        frankly, lemmy is literally only place I have found where you can discuss politics reasonably. I also try to rid myself of any pride about being right about anything and actually look forward to being called out if someone thinks i’m wrong. Then I can take a look at what they say and adjust my own opinions if the other guy makes sense.

        Though i dont go to .ml, they seem more interested in witch hunts than making anything better.

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        Honestly I think your approach is closer to the ideal: it’s pretty poisonous to the mind if most of the content you take in is political in nature. You need to explore other stuff too, broaden horizons and all that.

        I’ve been learning how to design parts with CAD software and 3D print it. Also got a home server going to host games and media, among other things. These hobbies keep me sane, and that’s what I’m ultimately getting at: people need to get a hobby that isn’t about being mad on the internet.

        Also instead of just whining on the internet, its far more effective to engage in local politics and build up a base of people there than hoping that “someone” will do “something” about the whole country. That “someone” has to come from somewhere: create the grassroots that can be the base from which change springs.

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        in reddit you have to walk on eggshells when your in those subs, even if your “agreeing with everyone else”, one simple misconstruement will get you banned.

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      Lemmy Leftists feel like that old Emo Philips joke at times.

      Apparently anyone not wanting to live in a grey soviet tower block and have all their worldly possessions be redistributed by the state is a “fucking Lib”

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      Lucky you… I managed to get banned once, for not being “left” enough. So I just don’t engage in specific kind of topics anymore.

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        I’ve gotten banned somewhere for ostensibly malicious ninja editing, can’t even remember the community, but I do remember the topic. I dared clarify some factual thing.

        But it wasn’t part of a particular bandwagon of hate, so no dice.

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      i argue that there arent really any niche communities. if I see a site with slow and limited posts, and 0 comments on most of those posts, can I really call that a community? i like video games and furry stuff. the video game and furry stuff sites have next to nothing on them. apparently the only ‘geeks’ here are Linux users who only talk about Linux distros or tankies who hate everyone and everything

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        Agreed.

        I need to force myself to post/comment more in these subs though. Like I am trying to keep an eye on /c/thelastairbender for instance, but there are more.

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    I’ve noticed a rise of Bot Moderators on reddit and their AI is not very good. They pick up on certain words and not context. One banned me for 3 days for harassment but I was defending myself against someone that was being antagonistic against me. My appeal was rejected :(

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      It’s likely just keywords. I had a similar thing when the comment I left was quite clearly sarcasm. I messaged the mods and they said their automod couldn’t differentiate between sarcasm and ernest, and tough luck 🤷🏻‍♀️

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      i got temp ban, because i reported too much, and or people they dint want me reporting. oh when you get temp ban/perma ban, if the same sub sees you again, even if your ban was lifted, it bans you again because it assumes your evading(it doesnt clear when your ban gets lifted in some cases)

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    Both of these posts are complaining about their accounts being banned, which happened because they (at least one of them) posted low effort questions and therefore got lots of downvotes and got automatically banned by a system meant to ban bots and trolls. The irony is that reddit has major problems with their automatic moderation which you yourself as an user is completely powerless to controll, e.g. recently when a massive amount of nsfw subreddits were banned for being unmoderated which they later admitted was erroneous.

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        I’ve been lurking reddit lately, to see what propaganda the normies in the US are exposed to, and I found this thread fucking hilarious.

        Every comment is complaining about how this will be the death of reddit. None of them realize Reddit already died years ago, and they’re just getting high off the ashes.

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        no wonder they wanted api gone as well, it allowed people to ban evade, since its not using the site directly.

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        This really isn’t true. Specific subreddits do, because their mods want to buddy up to the admins. With OP’s search settings, I do get one of the posts they got (only one though), and most of the results are drowned out by posts about some guy called Lemmy. But sorting by New, there’s plenty of results even from today and the past week. Subreddits announcing their fallback instance, a canadian subreddit discovering lemmy.ca, people asking questions about Lemmy. Lemmy-specific subreddits also show up without a problem. And everything I saw, except for that one post from OP’s image, was positive about it.

        I think people who have fully left Reddit are falling for confirmation bias when they hear that a post got removed for mentioning Lemmy. While plenty are still up despite doing the same. It’s either because of the other contents of the post, or because of the subreddit it was posted in. If it was about promoting Lemmy alone, all posts that promote Lemmy would be gone, which isn’t the case.

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          i had heard in a forum site that there was a mod that knows reddit admins, a direct line of communication to them, and he was discussing the levels of shadowbanning tiers. apparently shadow bans has tiers, 4 and 5 being the lowest, and its considered a temp “ban” while one is for the botters/evaders who make multiple accounts, which is usually 1 year to a perma ban. and ban filters, are supposed to have 1 year limit for the most severe, ban evaders, but they seem to have changed it this year.

          also the most annoying this, is mods can crossban you for just visiting a controversial sub.

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        they made a post, got tons of downvotes, then complained about downvotes which also got downvoted, got caught by automod because of downvotes, appealed, got unbanned, then deleted account or got purged because nothing even shows in modlog. the account was on sjw, posts were to communities in .ml and lw

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            they dont show it on reddit, and we have the r/modsupport how they are constantly complaining, reddit/ and mods arnt being transparent on why people are getting banned. and no rhyme or reason why people are getting banned too.

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          sounds like shadowbanned. if you search for the user/(account name) it will tell if the user is suspended, doesnt exist(shadowbanned), even deleted accounts. i checked it that way and it says acct has been deleted.

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        “Tankie instances” don’t tolerate transphobia or western exceptionalism or Zionism. Lib instances don’t tolerate questioning of US State Department propaganda (been banned from many comms for questioning the validity of Wikipedia articles on geopolitically charged topics) but will tolerate Zionism (downvoted but not banned). I’d rather have the former

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          zionism, pro-israeli is probably the worst right now, i was banned r/worldnews temporarily for pointing out who was the sole instigator of the war(BIBI), someone freaked out and said something along the lines, why don you become PM then, and then ranted, (i assume he was the turd that reported me.) normally you can tell who reported you, but i always CHECK my last message, so i know who it is. even “israelis” own population knows he did it, why is it only people outside of the country supporting him.

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        this is my first acc on lemmy, i had no idea that was a seperate login. whats ML?

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          Lemmy has a feature called federation, which means that anyone can setup their own lemmy server and run it how they want, but it will connect to all the other servers, so they share the same posts. lemmy.ml is one server, but it has some tankies who are people who think authoritarian regimes, like soviet russia, were good.

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          Lemmy.ml is a lemmy community primarily composed of socialists. Because socialists are highly critical of racist behaviour, white supremacist tropes, US exceptionalism/western chauvinism, imperialist attitudes (many of which bleed in well-meaning liberals), and capitalist countries, they don’t tolerate such things in their community and are very critical when they see such things in other communities, which is often met with distrust and dislike because nobody enjoys being confronted. .ml are very confrontational and they get met with confrontation. There are also some legit problems with a few moderators expressing transphobic beliefs, which is why i personally choose hexbear as my main community. Kinda sad that people here have such a red scare as if it were communists and not fascists in governments all over the western world right now and increasingly so.

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            so lemmy.ml is basically some reddit subs, except they probably got banned from reddit for the things you mentioned(banned anyone even if the users align with thier beliefs but disagreed on some things). and came here.

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          same here, i thought i had my account details wrong because i dint know i was trying to login to ML, apparenlty theres a lemmy.world too, same issue.

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      Its 100% on purpose, those arent the most relevant or highest rated posts, cherrypicked

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        they went after the OF accts recently, if people wanted OF porn, they go to non-PH and thier affiliate sites.

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      Hell yeah! Consider sticking around for a bit. Don’t forget that you have the power to block individuals, communities, and even entire instances if you’re having a bad time. Not sure if reddit gives you all that power, but it has its uses!

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        you can block invididuals, and turn off replies, but its often not effective, because if you go back to the orignal convo you blocked, you can see them bitching that you blocked them, oh and they created another account so they can evade your own block(since they cant join your convo thread in a subreddit. often times they will retaliate by reporting you for blocking them. and risking reporting them, can put you at odds with a mod, say you cant make too many reports.

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        Not sure if reddit gives you all that power

        It does not. Was one of the reasons that I abandoned it when they blocked third party clients. I resent being forced to view right-wing propaganda, rage-bait, and ads as well as being forced to short by opaque algorithms that are clearly intended to manipulate.

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          same, reddit is slowly turning into FB, with all the right wing narratives, 90% of the post is about trump, its the same thing MSMs did to get him into the WH. while it maybe “center right” it mostly gives avenues for right wingers to “see what we told you guys”, i pointed that out on many subs. people are just lapping all the bs thats comes out, liek trump did this goof, like it matters. despite them being critical of trump, it actually gives 24/7 coverage outside of X and MSMs.

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      Possibly landed in Hexbear. In combination with Spaz’s purge of all things Lemmy encouraging.

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      I can only see one of those two posts (the second one) and it’s pretty well reasoned (I don’t agree though, just saying they did provide their reasoning in more than enough words imo). If you’re interested, here’s the link.

      To summarize it:

      • UI worse than New Reddit (I personally agree with it being at least just as bad, that’s why I didn’t go to Lemmy)
      • Big instances are laggy (remember, the post is from 7 months ago not today, so don’t compare the statement to how they are now)
      • Bad mod tools (a common complaint I see about Lemmy)
      • Too much far left and tech focus (another common complaint)
      • It’s not active enough (yet another common complaint)
      • Shitty mods (I disagree with the specific claim made about them being worse than Reddit ones, but I’ve definitely seen at least one shitty mod here so far, and too many are neglectful)
      • Lemmy developers are Maoist (fact iirc)
      • The community is filled with far left extremists, Mao worshippers, dictator bootlickers, and genocide supporters (the one actually unreasonable take imo which indicates they went to the wrong instance)
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        The user got banned by the automod in the first one.

        ashenblood 45 points 7 months ago

        You got banned by the automod because your account was less than 24 hours old and you received 40 downvotes on a post. That filter is in place to combat spambots and trolls, because normal users are unlikely to trigger it by getting so many downvotes so soon after making an account

        I messaged the admin and they already unbanned your account. …

        https://www.reddit.com/r/RedditAlternatives/comments/1e0xugs/stay_away_from_lemmy/

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      so small and bitter but you just smile through it and say “it’s so good! 😢”?
      maybe I don’t know how to grow stuff…

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        You kind of just tipped your hand at your gardening ability. And also that you’ve never had a real tomato.

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          I argue mostly everyone here never had a real banana. No, the ones in the stores aren’t the original flavor.

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          you are correct, I have been known to somehow kill a cactus or two.

          Spider plants are going insane though, dispute losing >50% of them to the cold and rain this winter they are still living just fine. They’re like the plant version of cockroaches

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          Even last year when my tomatoes did poorly they still taste so much better than supermarket ones. Tbh outside a greenhouse I don’t think they really grow very well in the UK at all but I was given them so decided to try in the garden.

          Main things I am growing is rosemary, thyme, sage, chives, mint, garlic and opium. But I kinda want to start guerrilla gardening some fruit bushes. Raspberries would be nice to plant around town.

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    It’s so weird to read this, because other than a dork messaging me saying they were going to report me to the FBI I’ve had nothing but a lovely time on Lemmy.

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      I will say I have encountered a few highly voted positions that are beyond extreme to the point of stupidity, and I’m a Québecois union executive so that’s wild. Most of that was from Hexbear or .ml tankies though.

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          I originally had a part in my comment where I mentioned I have generally enjoyed my time on Lemmy but I accidentally removed it. I do agree with you.

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        sometimes its wierd to see some reddit comments that have so much votes, yet the comment itself is obviously wrong, and spammy.

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          Its very easy to promote yourself with bots or alt accounts if you know how or just are kind of person who would do that kind of thing even if it takes time.

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      I just don’t respond to hostile comments on Reddit or here. It makes life much easier. It saves me time too - if my comment is 2 sentences and someone replies to me with 2 very lengthy paragraphs, I just pass.

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        a paragraph response is just a rant. you have to spend a huge amount of time just thinking about it, and stressing out over it, thats how these people think.

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        Same. I’ll just block and move on. But I really haven’t gotten them here. But other social sites I don’t even reply.

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        i just report sometimes, to block them. on reddit, depends on the sub it can backfire if you report and the mod doesnt like it, or they set a filter of how many reports a “user can do before they get banned”

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    I mean any default experience which includes the ml trio is legitimately vile. The sooner Lemmy gets serious about the tankie problem, the better.

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      Whether I’m on Reddit or Lemmy, its just the same morons using different terms. You are the proof for that. Tribal mentality and bootlicking is ingrained into some

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          You assume I’m talking about communism or whatever bullshit you are thinking. Again, showing me how small minded and brainless you genuinely are. To spell it out for you and your echo chamber, it’s culture bs, tankie vs woke, woke Vs maga, trans wars this and that of constant dehumanising and generalisation of the other of the most petty of possible things, in this case, what freaking instance you join on without realising every person has a full history and thought of mind. I’m not a “tankie” I’m not a “commie” I don’t give a shit about any of these labels nor do I associate with them nor do everybody because not everybody thinks in small minded label obsessed ways. It’s genuinely embarrassing that the brainrot our society has succumbed too

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        Tribal mentality and bootlicking is ingrained into some

        Does Lemmy have a version of r/selfawarewolves yet?

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          for someone that says hes not a tankie or communist, the op sure has a large opinion about them. mirroring verbatim the same thing a right winger says on some political subs.

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      I despise the tankies, but imho, stopping them from having their own servers simply pushes them into .world etc. - let them have their safe space, defederated.

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        To be clear, I am talking mostly about defederation, but also about a development roadmap which removes them from the critical path. Mostly because I don’t trust them, but also because they make building an open source community that much more difficult. I have a bunch of accounts on various Lemmy instances but I’ve made piefed my home for now because it represents a path away from tankie adjacent development.

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      Bah, don’t be a weiner. They sometimes have good points. Keyword is sometimes. It’d be a community disservice to remove their perspective from the mileau.

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      “Lemmy” is just a bunch of protocols, what individuals use those protocols for should be irrelevant to the underlying protocols.

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      I wish I understood what the tankies are actually thinking. I just cant understand them. Even rightwing crazies seem more easy to understand. Are they just so extremist they repress any logical thought within themselves if it clashes with their views? Why do they idolize those horrible regimes? What is actually important to them?

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        They’re like holocaust deniers. They’re conspiracy theorists who think we’re being tricked into not knowing the truth by mainstream media (which… That’s a fair critique) and then “doing their own research” and reaching wild ass anti-vax-esque conclusions based on deciding to trust media outlets that are just as dangerous, if not moreso, than the ones they decided to tune out from.

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    Ima be real everyone is kissing lemmys ass but… I mean, it feels like reddit? Which is good?

    Feels no different from reddit so far lol it’s not better or worse, really

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      The top comment on reddit is always a stupid fucking joke or pun. Not so on lemmy. That’s the biggest difference I notice when I go back to look at reddit. On popular posts the whole first 3 threads are inane bullshit.

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        “I also chose this guys dead wife”…

        Like the inside jokes were really good on Reddit like the switcheroo one, or the guy that always had that whole comment that ended in the wrestling scene but most of them were just repeated to death

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      Main difference from reddit is that you don’t see the same joke repeated in every thread. And here if you comment something it’ll probably be read by at least a few people.

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      Here, your comment doesn’t get completely buried if you make one on a popular post. Part of that is the lack of heavy volume, of course, but I also feel like the sorting is more favorable to less upvoted comments.

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    I don’t get the hate this place gets. It’s been really interesting watching Lemmy’s growing pains over the last two-ish years and all the changes it has undergone. The whole concept of the Fediverse is fascinating to me and has been a genuine delight to explore.

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      Agreed. I never even had Instagram or twitter but I’ve become a pixelfed and mastodon lurker after enjoying Lemmy for 1+ years. The comment section here is miles ahead of reddit, where you get repost after repost and the same old tired jokes in every comment section.
      The fediverse is fantastic and I’m happy to be a (very minor) part of it.

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        I’m almost 40, this place reminds me of the early internet in a good way. Like, people connecting and sharing ideas… what even Reddit used to feel like. Sure, sometimes there are arguments but, due to the lack of an “outage” algorithm to juice engagement, you usually only hear about it unless it’s something you directly follow. With the lack of profit motive on the side of the platform and hosting end of things, it appears that trolls and clout chasers have a genuine hard time monopolizing everyone’s attention.

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          I’m a little older and while all my buddies were on the internet in the early days it didn’t interest me but I was well aware of how it functioned.

          I was a reddit lurker back when it was cool and a place to gain knowledge (depending on the sub) then a few years back finally becoming a user until the last couple years seeing it really go down hill fast turning into a typical " social media platform"

          Leemy gives me a sense of nostalgia for something I missed out on in the past. …And I don’t feel like an asshole scrolling in my spare time

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            I feel that as well, but I think that may be as a consequence of there being such a small user base. It may go away with time.

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        I haven’t really seen it outside of the like normal levels of hate. Which subLemmys or whatever are you seeing it on?

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          Just in general there is no level of chill. I have the down votes completely disabled

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            Avoid the news communities and filter out the Trump and Elon spam and you’ll have a much better time.