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Donald Trump has said that Palestinians have “no alternative” but to leave Gaza due to the devastation left by Israel’s war on Hamas, in effect endorsing ethnic cleansing of the territory over the opposition of Palestinians and the neighbouring countries.
Speaking as he prepared to host Israel’s prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, on Tuesday, Trump repeated the suggestion that Gaza’s population should be relocated to Jordan and Egypt – something both countries have firmly rejected.
Trump claimed Palestinians would “love to leave Gaza”, telling reporters: “I would think that they would be thrilled.”
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In 1940, the Nazis’ plan was to relocate all Jews to Madagascar.
Just 2 years later, they started exterminating them systematically.Americans making this about Trump vs Kamala is getting really really annoying. I mean, we get it, you are pissed off at each other. We’ve read the same arguments dozens of times already, and at this point it is getting extremely tired. It sucks the oxygen out of every conversation. Is this what the discourse is going to be around Palestine and Israel the next four years?
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The amount of hatred against phantom leftists that on the one hand lost the Dems the vote and on the other were too weak to have their demands considered is crazy.
No, these people didn’t lose you the vote. They don’t even exist in this ambivalent form. It was everyday citizens that heard Democrats push the same racist border talking points Trump spewed last election and went “Hm, if even the Dems say this is a problem, I’ll vote the party that talked about how evil Migrants were for decades, the GOP”. It’s people tired of increasingly struggling to make ends meet and the Dems saying everything will stay the same, while Trump promised them change. We know that he just means destroying the last remnants of social security nets for poor people and everything that stands in the way for oligarchs making kaijulllian dollars. But people are stupid and desperate. Why can’t the Democratic party be held to a higher standard than whatever this is?
The Dems are constantly held to a vastly higher standard. This was true when trump first came to power too.
Hillary: competent politician, could have smiled more maybe, no big changes.
Trump: grab em by the pussy, pay hush money to porn stars, ramble incoherently.
Public: what about her emails?
No, they aren’t. Expecting the Dems to get the vote by not being the fascists is a low standard. They have to present more than that. They didn’t, in fact, and now the party blames leftists for not voting hard enough when it’s their failure.
Jesus, when Luigi Mangione allegedly killed that healthcare CEO, it showed how the entire country liked seeing that, and the Democratic party has no idea what kind of campaign they could maybe run? I’m not saying they should run on a billionaire purge platform, but c’mon, maybe use your one billion dollar campaign funds for sending a message for you and not against the other one. Instead we got a 25k grant for a house purchase if you jump through three hoops. Wow, inspiring stuff.
And Hillary Clinton being characterized as making “no big changes” tells the whole story here. Her opponent went on a “drain the swamp”, “we’re going to make America great again” campaign and building up a hispanic and muslim scape goat. Everyone who is educated knew these were lies, but people were bad off, even then, and needed change. To be a hawkish candidate in a war exhausted society who runs on nothing but trying to achieve the first female presidential office is a weak attempt at saving America from Trump.
Hilary is responsible for Trump. she pushed him in the primary.
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Accelerationism has made things worse for everyone. Now we have a US president who has declared his intention to ethnically cleanse the Gaza Strip of Palestinians. If you want things to get better then you have to act in a way that is useful to that end. That means voting for parties that are to the left of fascists and that have a chance of winning. In the US, that’s the Democrats.
This is not a particularly helpful message for the time being since the election is past and won’t be for a while at best.
This is more a wish on what could have been and leaves little room for current discourse when this is a dead end topic.I don’t think that legitimate elections are happening in 4 years. They’re gutting everything and installing their flunkies just as they said they would in p2025.
The last election is where democracy died.
I am afraid that the time to vote your way out of this is at an end. There is no way Republicans will willingly give up all three branches of government.
I am afraid that the time to vote your way out of this is at an end. There is no way Republicans will willingly give up all three branches of government.
Musk has control of the US Treasury Department payment system. Obviously not. Fascists don’t hold elections.
I’m trying to get people to act in their own self-interest. It may be too late for us, but someone might learn something someday. People who survive the collapse of the US and climate change might make better choices.
If we don’t tell people what went wrong here they will do it again.
Oh by all means talk about what went wrong. Recording history is vital. I’m just saying voting your way out of this won’t happen.
Also, not every country has been taken over by fascists yet.
You can’t make the survival of democracy hinge on everybody having to vote for you because else it would be getting even worse. You actually have to present an option that promises that things get better. Significantly even, since most people in the US are absolutely struggling.
As voters we had the opportunity to prevent fascism for four more years by voting for neoliberals. This would have given progressives and socialists another opportunity to co-opt the Democrat party. The failure of the Democrats to provide a compelling alternative does not mean we should be complicit in our own destruction and allow fascists to murder us.
I’m seeing a lot of voter bashing but the same Democrats in power. I get the criticism against voters. They should have voted neoliberal. But the Democrats set this vote up to fail. They just don’t seem to get any consequences for it.
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Kamala was running for president. Biden dropped out. Kamala wanted to end the war.
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The vice president doesn’t have the power to overrule the president. Biden is complicit in genocide. Kamala and many in his adminstration are not.
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The vice president isn’t in charge of sending weapons to anyone. Harris was never given any such order to follow. Here is an overview of the role of the vice president:
https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/what-is-the-constitutional-role-of-the-vice-president
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Single-issue voters, when EVERYTHING was at stake, deserve all the hate they get, but are too stupid to understand. The worst kind of trumpers, ones that don’t think they are.
Yes, blame the voters. That will surely make them change and help win the next election for Democrats. /s
Who else would you blame when you lost a vote?
Something not directly involved?
Beep boop?
Who do you blame for climate change? The sun, chemistry or humans releasing chemicals to the atmosphere?
Arguably all 3 contribute to climate change, but only the last one is something you can change. So you blame humans, because it is the only productive option.
In an election, you can blame the party that lost or the voters. Blaming the voter is about as productive as blaming the sun, distracting from what changes have to happen in the Democratic party to guarantee a win in the next election.
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Trump says Palestinians have ‘no alternative’ but to leave Gaza
Trump is the president of the United States and he has declared his intentions to ethnically cleanse the Gaza Strip. Americans who refused to vote for Kamala Harris are part of how we got here. American accelerationism harmed Palestinians.
so, are we only allowed to say ‘genocide’ when criticizing democrats? but when republicans do it “it’s not a genocide, it’s ethnic cleansing”.
comment section full of spineless beggars who wants everyone to live on fake crumbs thrown by dnc hacks. what’s biden, harris and pelosi doing these days ? they seems to have made fortunes pretending to represent us and now enjoying themselves leaving us and palestinians to get fcked same as under biden. are we all forgetting biden hugging the scum netanyahu and him getting a standing ovation for murdering millions with our money.
aipac owned kamala would be no different other than wording it with lots of word salad of “allies”and right to defend (genocide).
reality is our country has became a rotten oligarchy owning both parties and they see normal voters as no different than how israelis see palestians. they will happily butcher us and our kids for an extra yatch
Yep the DNC isn’t great but it’s far better then actively feeding the country to the oligarchy. Go fuck youself with the BoTh SiDeS bullshit.
cry all you want but its not going to change that millions of past dnc voters want to see likes of pelosi and schumer hanged in the streets than blackmailed into voting for them again. just so they can continue to make millions selling the country to same oligarchs while we keep eating shit with a different packaging.
Do you understand how Senators are elected? The VAST majority of DNC voters didn’t vote for Pelosi or Schumer because they aren’t in their districts.
Maybe pay attention to the road so you don’t accidentally drive your tank into those civilians, again.
https://lemmy.world/post/23262125
god people still defending dnc are as dumb as maga mob
or you are just like ken martin our new dnc chair who wants us to suck upto billionaire parasites for leftovers
The DNC is bad. I said it again. The DNC is really not great. There once more. They are not nearly as bad as what’s going on in the current administration though. If that statement is “defending the DNC” then you have lost all perspective.
Trump is just saying the quiet part loud. The Democrats aren’t any different. The last 15 months of genocide proves this.
Americans need to face facts, your country is a bloodthirsty empire that steals the resources, freedoms and conspires against oppressed people.
I don’t think anyone in Palestine is fighting for freedom as most would understand it. They will be free from Israel but that population isn’t going to be free like Belgians are free.
The democrats were already funding billions of dollars worth of leopards in Gaza. This narrative that Muslims voted for this is disgusting when they really had no choice in the matter regardless of what a joke of a “democracy” we have pretends. Why do you think democrats refused to let them speak at the DNC?
Trump has no authority over the Palestinian people and/or territories.
So America will take ALL Gazans, right, right?
In fairness, this is BS. A leaked Israeli paper from early 2024 stated that that IDF and the Israeli’s government overall goal WAS to remove all people from Gaza. Once and for all, if they could get away with it. The fact they systematically destroyed whole towns and places of culture educates us and reinforces that this was the plan all along. Trump is an Israeli puppet, nothing changes there, but the removal of people and the destruction of Gaza was the Israeli plan all along. This was known.
It is THEIR land. Their home. Why should they be shipped anywhere? That is an outright crime.
Source on that leaked paper please?
I believe they’re referring to this paper.
A chilling reminder that we are currently at the “Madagascar plan” stage of the Palestinian genocide.
Hey at least the genocide will be over! Trump is so much better than Kamala on this!
Fuck off idiot. Not everything is about american politics, you get that?
This article is about an American president declaring his intentions to ethnically cleanse the Gaza Strip. This article is very clearly about American politics.
Y’all need to fucking stop with this dumb shit. We have been pointing out for two years the bipartisan political consensus on supporting this genocide and ethnic cleansing. They are working together on it. Get the fuck over it, you live under totalitarianism with a fake opposition party. This genocide started under Biden, with his support, and is continuing under Trump, with his support. It’s not “degrees of genocide”, it’s fucking genocide. They are both in on a scheme of exterminating an ethnic group and dispossessing them from their land. This plan has been underway with U.S. support not since two weeks ago, but since fucking 1948. OK?
Some of you all are just in full freakout mode these past two weeks. I’m calm as stone. Know why? Because I’ve been living with these facts for decades. All you people are seeing is the mask falling off the system. I already saw under the mask. Join the club. Get your shit together so we can actually fix this.
Jesus fuck you really think it was MSM libs that opposed you here.
Anarchist, know more than you, and it was completely evident this would happen which is objectively worse. Stop the cope.
Anarchist, know more than you
Ah yes you’re an “anarchist” that simps for the american liberal party. You don’t know shit, idiot.
Well, I knew this. A pragmatic anarchist who advocates for the better option. I’m anti-fascist before I’m an anti-statist. Give me liberalism any day of the week vs what’s coming. (Thx again eejit)
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Lemmy.world is dead. Fuck the mods, fuck the Dems.
Honestly thank you for being here and writing this. The “but Kamala” comments are super hurtful to me because I remember how the Americans have been treating us ever since. My entire family is displaced from Palestine, had to abandon studies in Syria, Iraq back in the day, had to flee again from Kuwait, my friends and acquaintances together have lost hundreds of family members. We have lost family members and ongoing trauma from having lived under occupation. It’s unbearable and you can’t even do therapy because it’s still going on, you can’t get closure.
I don’t know a single Palestinian out there who hasn’t lost family or friends, or who has family or friends who moved abroad for good.
We’ve been suffering from ethnic cleansing, apartheid, collective gaslighting since 1948 and we’ve been facing violence and terror since even much longer. As if it would make a difference to us if the person who’s literally providing the means to annihilate us is saying nice words while doing the opposite? Trump is escalating our annihilation and we never doubted that, but the Gaza genocide alone has been going on for almost 1.5 years and there was no Trump.
Many people here really don’t seem to care about the actual people. The same way we aren’t human to Trump & the Zionists, I don’t feel human when Harris supporters use Palestinians to say “I told you so”.
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Aaaah. Now you want to work together. Imagine that! When we asked you all to help keep this from happening, we were told to take our genocide supporting asses and go fuck ourselves.
Now, you’re wanting to play nice? Naaah. I’m calm as a stone too when I tell you that if you didn’t vote, or protested with a bullshit third party loser, you did this.
And we deserve to be angry about it.
Aaaah. Now you want to work together. Imagine that! When we asked you all to help keep this from happening, we were told to take our genocide supporting asses and go fuck ourselves.
I wasn’t on Lemmy since ~late 23 until after the election. Who is “you”? It’s not me.
My specific quotes at the time looked a lot like what I just wrote. Pointing out that the power of the people is in choosing their own candidates, not being handed them by the media and party apparatuses. That the two parties are visibly cooperating on genocide and that the only meaningful course of action is for the people to overthrow them.
I’m sorry, did someone else just say this?
Get your shit together so we can actually fix this.
That not you pretending there’s a “we” here? Because again, if you voted third party, or stayed home- you are openly admitting that you know nothing about the threat we faced, about how elections actually work, and about what the word “we” means.
There is no we that I am a part of that includes you. We tried to stop this. YOU didn’t.
You didn’t try to stop shit. You watched a genocide and voted for the same people committing it, because the only thing that mattered to you was your own ass. You weaponize marginalized people to act like you’re the hero of the story, but you only care about yourself. People who care about justice and have their entire lives know damn well that the entire system needs to be replaced.
Our only chance is unity. Even if I fucking hate people like you. That’s always been the case. That’s been the only chance out of a system where even the “opposition” supports genocide for our entire lives. Whether it’s 2024, or 2028, or picking up the rubble in 2032. But you know what destroys unity? PEOPLE WHO FOLD INTO THE SYSTEM AND DESTROY OUR UNITED FRONT AGAINST OUR OPPRESSORS.
What specifically did you do to try to stop it other than rant and rave on the internet and not vote for certain people?
I didn’t vote for a single person that committed genocide, so stop with the false accusations and… answer this:
Did you stay home when the rest of us voted to stop trump? It’s a simple yes or no.
And you’ve no place to speak of unity when you stood against everyone that stood against trump.
No, it’s unity AGAINST mass murderers. Not unity SUPPORTING them. Even if there’s two of them and one of them is 5% worse!
And I can already hear it. “You only had two choices!” Then I reject your stupid fucking choices.
Some of you all are just in full freakout mode these past two weeks. I’m calm as stone. Know why?
Because none of Trump’s executive orders personally affect you or anyone you love. Must be nice.
Unfortunately it’s not that way for everyone. Many of us are trying to figure out how to survive the next four years without dying to a preventive illness or ending up in a concentration camp, so I’m not sorry if us “freaking out” offends you.
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No, because I have decades of trauma that you people are just beginning to feel.
As I went on to explain in my comment, which for some reason you felt the need to just selectively quote and then reframe in some completely bullshit way.
Oh, so now it’s “get the fuck over it”? Both sides are totally the same!
I don’t think so, bebe. You motherfuckers will NEVER be permitted to live this down. This is YOUR fault. We will make you choke on it.
Not even fucking remotely what I said.
Kamala did this you fucking scum.
I searched the link you posted and did not find a single mention of Kamala?
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The vice president doesn’t have the power to overrule the president in any capacity.
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Thank God there’s finally a solution
So…. Are both sides still the same? Asking for a friend.
They are not the exact same. At least the right is honest regarding his genocidal intention, which will make it easier to establish responsibilities latter. Unlike the dems and their hypocrisy of pretending to care about shit while sending bombs.
Both sides aren’t exactly the same, but why don’t you want more differences?
Sides could be irrelevant of we replaced First-past-the-post voting with a more representative electoral system. The solution is more democracy, not gleefully telling people they have no choice but to vote for your preference.
Videos on Electoral Reform
First Past The Post voting (What most states use now)
Videos on alternative electoral systems we can try out.
We know.
But that wasn’t the point, was it?
Yes, they’re doubling-down.
Inb4 a bunch of americans who think every palestine-related news is about their little lemmy war against heresy.
This is truely a very, very low thinking comparison. So much so that it hurts knowing that people like this are able to project their dense thoughts out into the world and subject others to their wasteful presence.
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jordanlund@lemmy.world Good morning. How does it feel being a piece of shit from a nazi country after desperately trying to defend your side doing genocide, you garbage scum?
I’m calling it, this era will be worse than the bush era when it comes to American atrocities.
What the fuuuck, the United States of America is going to own a part of the Gaza Strip. Are we restarting colonialism?!
Do you think places like Puerto Rico and American Samoa are states or colonies? Do you think they get good political representation? It never ended lol
As if Israel would let the US take what it (wrongly) considers theirs.
