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What I never understood is why don’t the free speech absolutionists embrace lemmy?
The fediverse should be the epitome of self determination, individualism and saying whatever you want to say without some higher power telling you that you can’t…
Hence why I don’t think conservatives today are truly right wing, they don’t really do the shit they claim they are all about.
Hence why I don’t think conservatives today are truly right wing, they don’t really do the shit they claim they are all about.
They never did, except maybe in the 80s or someshit
Right so saying I want a truly conservative voice has some merit and doesn’t mean your inviting the trolls that claim they are cons and instead are just contrary.
I mean for all we know they might and just choose not to federate.
Some of us don’t live in bubbles and would’ve heard about it. We heard about Voat and Gab and Truth, we’d hear about it. Conservatives are very bad at keeping secrets.
Such a bummer the 80s futuristic look ever caught on past then, car dashes that made you feel like you are on the enterprise were awesome.
Hyundai is doing some relevant things.
Uhh, I think you posted to the wrong thread lmao
That doesn’t make it less true, does it?
Lol no, no it does not
Idk, maybe they just really like talking about car dashboards.
I’ll take a non-maga right wing user over a tankie any day. It’s not even close.
Given what the USA considers rightwing (lunatic) compared to Europe, I’d rather ignore tankies when they go further than I prefer. I at least agree with them some of the time. USA rightwingers are deranged even if they aren’t in the MAGA sphere.
We had shooters killing doctors already in the 90s and it’s only got worse since then.
Why? It’s similar but worse, driven by irrational anxiety with less reason and more potential to do the world harm…
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Jesus Christ so many of you on here are in love with your echo chambers aren’t you? Every other day there is something about instance wars and oh let’s see, whom do we want to exclude today. You don’t have to like what others have to say, but you have to be able to listen to them.
You act like we only exist on this forum. Some of us have conservative family members and coworkers that we have to hear from constantly. You have to hear a none stop spew of hateful bullshit and the moment you voice any disagreement, they start shouting at you.
They have very few ideas, none of them are new and I’ve already heard every single one.
but you have to be able to listen to them.
Not when they’re absolute shit takes, hate speech, denial of basic facts, misinformation, propaganda or intolerance we don’t.
Right-wingers have long abandoned sensible debates for hate and anger, pointless “identity politics” and sucking off Trump
Tankies refuse to accept any and all criticism of the totally-not authoritarian Chinese/Russian governments no matter what facts and evidence is presented to them
No you don’t. Fascists shouldn’t be given time of day. People who don’t act with integrity or good faith don’t get to sit with civilized society. The ideas aren’t valid and don’t have any merit. They come from uneducated people who have had their head filled with hate and prejudice. They’re not good citizens or decent people. They’re hate filled time bombs. They’re so mentally weak they gave into hating other people based on prejudices talking heads have them.
They don’t get a seat. They’re opinion is not valid. They should be ostracized by all civilized society until they stop being antisocial and destructive.
And that’s the nice, merciful and patient option.
This screams that people with different opinions aren’t people with valid opinions and lead to further dialectic conversation, and I reject that premise.
Conservatives should be welcome. Everyone should be welcome.
I disagree, Nazi’s have zero place anywhere in society outside of a history book.
They’re not Nazis. Calling them Nazis just makes it easier to do this stuff
I don’t think they were saying they’re Nazis; unfortunately, many people can’t recognize the harm a group does if that harm is slow or “off-screen” (like the poverty or civil restrictions most conservative policies inevitably result in).
I think they were just using a conservative group such as the Nazis since it’d be much more obvious to the average person as to why we need to draw a line, with some groups, and cleanly indicate why OP’s blanket statement that “everyone should be welcome” can’t possibly be true.
There are those who view this offer to share their thoughts and existence as an opportunity to permanently terminate the same of others.
Are “they” in the room with us right now?
I disagree, Nazi’s have zero place anywhere in society outside of a history book.
I never even said who was a Nazi, just that they don’t have a place in society.
way to miss the point…
They’re openly fascists. I don’t know why you’re trying to split hairs. They’re not hiding it.
What if they’re Nazis in Ukraine? Weren’t you agreeing with anti-tankie sentiment in other comments?
Nazis in Ukraine are still Nazis. Fortunately, there weren’t very many Nazis in Ukraine, and Russia just used that as a scapegoat, and only a fool would believe otherwise 😊
There’s enough that they name streets after Nazis, cover their uniforms in Nazi symbols, and appoint self-declared Nazis to positions of power.
Agree. Also Fascists and Theocrats.
I haven’t seen a person identify as a conservative on Lemmy without also a shitheel about civil rights.
Ok… well now you have. Everyone should be treated equally under the law. No one should be discriminated against.
Well… that’s not quite what I said. I said civil rights. Not equal treatment under the law. If the government passed a law banning Jewish people or that I can own a black man or that trans people can’t use their preferred bathroom, that law could be equally applied to everyone, but not effect everyone equally.
Since most people here seem to be American, the problem is their worldview. Nowadays “right wing” in america just means insane people. Americans have lost all sense of nuance, everything is black or white.
Unlike the right wing parties in Europe and Asia that aren’t fascists, right?
Nothing scary going on in France, Russia, Hungary, Korea, Germany, Romania, Austria, Italy…
I agree. For example: how would you Americans view this music video form almost 40 years ago? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LB9lObWclFQ&list=RDGMEMJQXQAmqrnmK1SEjY_rKBGA&start_radio=1&rv=UHChZIHePic Made in socialist Yugoslavia. Right wing? Left wing? Authoritarian? Nutjob?
Weird as hell, that’s how I would view that.
Tankies are right wing. Watch them make excuses for Russia and say NATO should pull out of Ukraine. Watch them say a Trump presidency is better than the alternative.
Thanks now the stereoscope thing makes sense. I was freaking out thinking people were putting politics in medicine
I feel like Russia is further right than the US.
Socially for sure but economically it might be debatable. They have universal healthcare after all.
I used to consider myself quite a socialist but tankies really straightened me out by taking side of Russia and Soviet Union of which I’ve experienced the horrors off first hand myself. There is socialism without cancers like Kremlin and CCP but the whole thing has been ruined and hijacked by these idiots just like alt-right ruined conservatives.
You could try anarchism instead
I’ve been reading “the dispossessed” by Ursula k le guin, and I’m becoming increasingly interested in anarchy. Where should I look for more information on it?
George Orwell’s Homage to Catalonia was pretty inspiring to me
(I’ll also add that Anna Funder’s Wifedom make Orwell seem a bit fucked in his personal life. I haven’t read it yet, just had convos with people who did. Seems maybe Homage to Catalonia could have been a better book if he was less of a mysogynist)
Why is it hard to find people that aren’t shitty? I’m still recovering from learning Neil gaiman was an abuser
I think there’s something about the type of people who are attracted to fame and power being more likely to be sociopathic, or at least more narcissistic. Not all of them, just a higher-than-background rate.
I don’t find it hard to find great people IRL.
Yeah, I’m quite fond of it!
I’m traveling around south east asia working remotely and staying in small expat communities for a few years at a time (long term visas are still hard). There are a lot of small communities all over the place here in Thailand, Malaysia, Philippines, Laos, Cambodia. I’d hesitate to call them anarchist per se because it’s still kinda overseen by local authorities when it comes to crime and visas etc. but it’s pretty close otherwise!
That being said I don’t know how anarchism could be sustainable at scale without a major cultural reset, so I’m not sold on the idea it would work for giant homogenous places like China or US.
I think I’m anarchist in terms of personality, but I’m not quite there politically. Like you, I’m not quite sure how to get there from here. If we do things like mutual aid and support unions, I don’t think we’ll go wrong, and that could end up leading to anarchism at some point in the future.
Where I’m anarchist in personality is that I fundamentally don’t understand why you would want to be an authoritarian. When I first read 1984 in high school, and there’s the bit from O’Brien about how the system is there for power as an end to itself, I didn’t understand why anybody would want that. I can kinda see power as a way of gaining a comfortable life for yourself–usually at the expense of others–but not as its own end. I still don’t understand it, but have come to accept that there are people like that.
Some of those people are draped in thin blue line flags, and some of those people are draped in a hammer and sickle.
Maybe China and the US shouldn’t be giant and homogeneous.
Yup, though it seems like we missed our chance at this long time ago. Can you imagine what would have to happen for US or China to split up in this day an age? That’s world-war territory and tbh I’d rather have what we have now.
Drag hopes California secedes
Got banned off redit for using an alt to comment on publicfreakout which I was supposedly banned from, glad this place is still left leaning, but I would rather not have a bubble like reddit either, it gets annoying and isn’t representative of the world like it should be.
The comic literally starts off with both sides fighting. That’s not a bubble, it’s not accepting of right-wing trash.
Got banned off redit for using an alt to comment on publicfreakout which I was supposedly banned from
If you were banned from a Reddit sub you’ve never posted or commented on, you won’t receive a message informing you you’ve been banned. Mostly likely cause for being banned from a sub you’ve never used is the sub using a bot to preemptively ban people it sees as “problematic” - usually but not always these bots are configured to ban anyone who has ever commented on a list of “bad” subs determined by the mod setting up the bot, regardless of content or context. There are some others, like certain porn subs will preemptively ban any account they detect that has an OnlyFans link.
The net result is if you comment on any remotely controversial sub in any context you’ve likely been banned from one or more unrelated subs, possibly without your knowledge.
This is hypothetically against the mod rules, but not enforced in any way. Mostly because of which subs tend to do it and which subs tend to be targeted.
We’re not losing any value by dismissing people who have a flagrant disregard for the truth.
That is also definitely true, they don’t want to learn or care about facts, but its nice to be aware they exist, or ppl get complacent, tiktoks just a great example of how everyone their thought the whole country was trending towards being super woke and liberal since they were in a bubble. You shut ppl out and they have no one to tell them their views are wrong lol.
I think your approach is very valid IRL, where there’s vocal nuance, and body language, and real people who probably aren’t Russian botfarms and communities that you are both part of. In that case calling-in is the far better option the vast majority of the time.
The general open internet doesn’t have much of any of that though, and general numbers and anonymity and lack of repercussions or accountability make it way too easy to be an arsehole/troll and never try to come to a common understanding. If someone’s doing that, they can fuck right off.
I think there are smaller semi-private internet communities that operate kind of half way between those extremes, where you probably have to take it case-by-case.
I think Lemmy is kinda halfway between the second and their option, but will gradually head more toward the second option as it gets bigger.
Let’s not kid ourselves, Lemmy is great because it’s still in its infancy and gen pop is still a minority for now hence the bot makers not being too interested.
Also caretakers of the forums still care enough to adress issues.
I’m happy with what we have now and the idea that it will get bigger is not something I think we should work towards but maybe that’s just me.
The comment was literally just “isnt the wind blowing towards the ocean” made it without even knowing I was banned on my main from publicfreakout, alts are allowed, so this is such an easy mistake to make there, you can get banned from any popular sub and unknowingly comment with an alt, automatically denied appeal too
id understand if I was being controversial, but it was literally such a boring aimless comment
At least we can all hate each other with public logs. I have said it many times: I hate everyone equally.
But I will say; my favorite racial slur is sand person.
im indian, growing up someone called me that so I thought i was allowed to say the n word because I was a sand one lol, like pokemon
You are allowed, just not to American black people as an insult :)
You probably just shouldn’t but the history of the word is on your side.
The n-word was applied to Indians and anyone dark enough by the British. Americans made it solely an African thing but if you read Victorian era British authors they’ll use against anyone brown. Kipling’s stories are notorious for him going along and just dropping random n-words about Indian characters in otherwise pleasant circumstances.
Lulzzzz ya I’ve heard outside of Hamburgerland saying the n word is not a big deal at all. Funny how american centric global social media platforms are when 90% of the population that isn’t American doesn’t give a shit. Can understand why using it IN the US is a stupid fucking idea ofc, say that to the wrong person they will beat the shit out of you.
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Can understand why using it IN the US is a stupid fucking idea ofc, say that to the wrong person they will beat the shit out of you.
So it sounds like you don’t understand why using it is a stupid fucking idea. It’s not about physical assault, it’s about not being a fucking racist dickhead. Sincerely, not an American.
Are you seriously lecturing me, an american on Lemmy about racism? What country are you from? China? They straight call black people monkeys to their face in China 🤣 tell me what other country gives a shit about racism more. The Nordics? The ones who are swinging hard right now because of migrants? You should really check yourself.
its only an issue here because theres a reason for it to be, people 100% say it with the intention to aggravate ppl or act like they are above them because of their history, I never really thought about how other countries see it lol
Absolutely yeah the people who say it in hatred are why it is taboo. It’s just a word. Albeit one with a toxic history
Definitely not generally acceptable here in Australia
I’ve said this before, and been(more than) down voted for it, but I want more conservatives, more tankies, more anything I don’t outright agree with. People will say how bad person in their echo chamber is in their echo chamber.
The early internet was so scarce it was important to find like minded people. Today the internet is so widespread it should be the opposite. It takes 5 minutes to find a entire platform filled with people who all think like you. That’s how we got flat earth conventions.
I’m confident in my beliefs and opinions, which is why I want them challenged. I want to think critically, I want difficult rhetoric. I want my world view to be challenged. I want to be uncomfortable.
This only works when they engage in good faith. So no, you don’t want more tankies and conservatives, because most of them are incapable of that. Their worldview requires that they do not.
Agree, but I think there are lots of people who are a bit more on the fence, or playing around with ideas. If someone says something stupid out of ignorance or inexperience, and they get blasted for it, they probably aren’t gonna learn much from it, and they might go hang out with the people who responded well to it…
Obviously if you try and it turns out they understand what they are saying, and are doing it intentionally, they can get fucked. Problem is it’s hard to tell sometimes, and not many people have the capacity to tolerate that behaviour enough to find out.
I’d rather not talk with people that genuinely hate me, and/or want to kill me thank you.
Idk… I’m not sure I want all their racist shit echoing around in here with us.
Plus all that paradox of tolerance stuff
Problem is, they don’t argue in good faith, no matter what evidence or arguments you bring to the table no matter how long or short they’re right and you’ve just been subjected to brainwashing/propaganda.
Nor is it a debatable political position to be spread Nazi-ism or bigotry (which is what most right-wingers do)
Yeah, the marketplace of ideas doesn’t really work because people can just lie and other manipulative tactics, and people (yes, you and me too) fall for it (you are not immune to propaganda).
istg whoever solves this problem will win a fucking nobel prize.
It’s already solved. You kick the reactionaries out. It’s just that a lot of people struggle to accept the solution.
Me too - I can live happily with the fact that not everyone thinks like me; but I still want to know what the other people are thinking.
the bubble helps no one, remember everyone on tiktok tweaking when republicans were winning, they were also in their own social media bubbles and never see any of the “woke” mind changing type posts, mfs out here praising trump for low gas prices like they suddenly dropped when he won and haven’t already been low.
That’s a hard pitch to a platform known to be unflinchingly rigid about maintaining their wind tunnels.
And they’re always bitching about batshit things on conservative.
HOW DARE BIDEN GIVE MONEY LAUNDERER ZELENKSY MORE MONEY. HE IS SURROUNDED BY IT IN HIS CASTLE.
Like bruh shut the fuck up.
Lol did you see the one where they’re complaining about Lemmy “censorship” because their shit takes get downvoted to hell lmao
Yeah, and the sad (for them) truth is this is their free market action they love. I see your shitty opinion, I downvote it. Turns out they can’t handle that when they can’t obfuscate their unpopularity
getting downvoted is my kink though. I live for takes bad enough that they just bait people, while some others realize it’s actually just satire.
The classic ‘schrodinger’s shit post’ tactic:
Step 1:
Post something bonkers.
Step 2:
If people don’t like it:
ElOhEl yoU’ve b33n trolle3d, fucking 1d10t!
If people do like it:
Ah, Mrhrm, yes, my extremely erudite and informed opinion is in fact based, as seen by the preponderance of evidence.
…
In other words, the action of an attention and validation seeking malignant narcissist who is incapable of ever admitting they were wrong about anything, who is either always correct and should be recognized as an authoritative source of knowledge, or was obviously joking and you’re an idiot for taking me seriously.
“reality has a left-leaning bias”
You must like what I say or it is cEnCoRsHiP!!
Ha ha yeah, lyckily they are kind of few.
I injected ivermetcin infused raw milk into my veins so that I can get the REAL news quicker.
nice. You saw that new Joe Rogan episode too?
Broadcast into my retinas via neuralink.
It may have triggered my nose to bleed incessantly but I KNOW this is because I didn’t take my ONNIT & ALPHA BRAIN
That’s onnit o - n - n - I- t
It’s entirely possible.
This is too insightful to be a shitpost.
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i’m not conservative, by any stretch of the definition, though i do appreciate some of the more classically conservative values (none of which actual conservatives stand for ironically)
Nor am i progressive, or any flavor of communistic. Although that might change given enough problems with the US voting populace. Though not to the amusement of any lemmy users im sure,
Frankly, to be honest, i’m anti humanist right now, in my political satire arc. Take from that what you will, but if you take it the wrong thing, i will outlive you politically.
TL;DR im disappointed in everyone, you should’ve done better, you should have higher standards for yourself and your conduct, and you don’t and that makes me sad.
And what exactly makes you so much better than everyone else exactly?
Sounds like an edgy centrist. So either indecisive or a conservative pretending to not be political.
You’re so special and different. Want a rimjob?
Well y-wait a minute! You are not u/RimJobSteve!
If you don’t like humans, drag would like to invite you to explore the otherkin community. Maybe you’ll prefer otherkin to humans.
Just make sure you can handle all the various animal noises. Therians/otherkin really like their preferred animal sounds. Meow.
I think disappointment in people is a very reasonable attitude. In fact I think cynicism towards people in general is one of the core defining attitudes of our time, and it transcends political boundaries.
But as a filthy leftoid, I believe that there are socio-economic forces which are responsible for how people are in a given era. The spread of misinformation on the internet, social alienation, poor education with no media literacy, logic or critical thinking - these are not innate flaws in human kind, they are failures of society that can be fixed.
So you can see we have a real problem, because leftism and even liberalism is built upon respect for and faith in humanity - but very few act like it.
The presumes that tankies are not actually just right wing trolls trying to divide the left via extremism.
Nah, they look similar because they’re both people very emotionally and tribalistically (as there’s quite an element of feeling part of a group in it) wedded to an ideological bundle of pre-baked ideas they took in as “undeniable truths” and do not in any way challenge with rationality and skepticism.
Both have the same way of thinking and relating to politics but tankies have adopted one ideological bundle of pre-baked ideas and modern day “conservatives” (I use quotes because they really don’t do conservation of much) adopted a different ideological bundle of pre-baked ideas.
Mind you, they’re just extreme cases of people whose relationship with politics runs along the very same behavioural lines as sports club fans. For example, here in Lemmy you often spot Democrat Party fans, which you can spot by their “the figures of the party can do no wrong” posture and similar, in contrast with, say, people who might have voted for the party for tactical or strategical reasons but don’t just take every word of their propaganda as undeniable truth.
I live in a country with a lot more political parties than the US and am even a member of a small party here, and you see that kind of mindset in al parties party and from my own experience I would even say that mindless unquestioning fans are majority of party members.
Nah, most tankies really are that dumb.
They always seem to toe that line.
