• BaumGeist@lemmy.ml
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    8 hours ago

    that chicken was an animal that was raised in war-crime conditions and killed on a conveyor belt of death where it watched as its kin in front of it were stunned and then drowned.

    That cheese comes from a cow who was fisted in the ass by a farmer so they could inseminate it (a process many would describe using an upsetting term beginning with the lettee ‘r’, were it done to humans), only to havw the resulting child ripped away from it before they could bond so that her milk, intended for her child, could be extracted by a cold machine and sold to humans.

    Probably not the best examples to use in this situation.

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      invades every conversation by describing normal behaviors in the worst possible way to make their position seem better

      “Why do people hate vegans so much?”

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        It’s just sad seeing the dissonance between people who don’t make the connection (or lack thereof) between simultaneously thinking “I have a dead, tortured animal on my plate” and “I’m a good person,” especially when it’s so easy to just not hurt animals.

        Once you see it, you can’t unsee it. These behaviors are so normal because that contradiction is so commonplace.

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          7 hours ago

          Your technology has a high chance of having child labor in it. The roof over your head, the vegetables that you eat, the vehicles that you drive…

          Why don’t you see it?

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            5 hours ago

            I recommend looking at my response to the reply about “the good place” and continuing the thread there, it’s the same ideas.

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            I’m a big fan of the show. But we need to realize that we actually do have a responsibility to minimize the harm we cause when we’re able to. I wouldn’t accept “but you have a phone tho” or “no ethical consumption under capitalism” as justifications for buying a child-killing SUV, for example. It’s just kinda defeatist.

            And even if my choices make literally zero difference, and the world is exactly the same with or without my actions (which is just not the case), I still sleep better knowing I’m not contributing to the extreme and obvious harms of animal agriculture.

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                Me personally? I don’t know if I’d applaud it, because if someone’s still eating animal products (a) they still see animals as resources to exploit, not individuals, and (b) the chicken you kill on Tuesday doesn’t really care about the chicken you didn’t kill on Monday.

                But for sure it’s a great first step. Some people need time to adjust and I support anything that moves us in the direction of kindness towards animals.

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          “I have a dead, tortured animal on my plate”

          no one thinks that. and the animals aren’t tortured, anyway

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          You should be ashamed of your ruthless reign of terror against plants, harvested by the billions and modified by humans in ways that no longer resemble their ancestors.

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            It takes many more plants to raise a pound of meat to eat than it does to eat the plants directly, so we are still in agreement that the best way to minimize harm and respect the sanctity of all life is to eat a plant-based diet.

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            Not to mention factory farmed in artificial orchards, not freely growing in the wild. Absolutely disgusting. Did you know they don’t even pick fruits? They have a big machine that shakes the fuck out of the poor tree until everything falls off.

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            23 hours ago

            Don’t forget that there’s only like 2 real citrus fruits the rest are all genetically modified fruits.