Keeping it at bay? The fuck are you smoking
Democrats do actively pass progressive reform, so who is really being duped? You who lets emotions and propaganda control your political outlook, or people who actually attempt to fight back by electing Democrats?
The biggest threat the progressive polices is the lefts inability to recognize their being played, not by the Democratic Party but by the media who baits them into blaming the party for things it cannot control.
The easiest mark is the one who thinks themselves too smart to be a mark.
You guys can’t be serious. When the Democratic Party throws up their hands and says “it’s out of our control” instead of actually fighting for progressive reform, you actually believe them? After everything we’ve seen? What will it actually take for you to realize the Democrats aren’t fighting for us?
Either you’re part of the party or you’re not. It sounds like you are not. Good luck with that.
There are many powerful people that do not want the progressive agenda to succeed and they are more than happy to play us against each other.
They are already in the head of anyone they believes this is the democratic leadership and it’s hard to accept anyone who refuses to acknowledge that on any level is truly of a progressive mindset.
The right accuses the Democrats of being radical left socialists, and the Democratic leadership responds by moving to the right. The powerful people you refer to - who do not want the progressive agenda to succeed - are the democratic leadership themselves. They work in tandem with those on the right to sabotage the efforts of progressives to gain power in the Democratic Party.
So yeah, I’m not part of the party, not by my own choice but because the party doesn’t want me. If you are truly of a progressive mindset it doesn’t want you either, but honestly it seems they’ve successfully tamed the progressivism within you.
We’re never going to badger the current DNC corporate shills into working for the people… They’ll need to be replaced before we can hope to stop the ratchet effect and start making real change
I’m sold. Let’s do it.
First step is making a place everyone can access and start collecting information… Any idea how to do that? I’m afraid I’m mostly tech illiterate
2nd step: we need to map out who actually gets to vote for DNC leadership/membership
How the hell is the first step not changing how we vote so people can vote outside the two party system and still have their votes counted against republicans?
Gotta get people into a position where they can make that change happen. Right now the Dems block such people from getting to such positions. Gotta replace the gate keepers with progressives or we’ll never get progressives into position to make changes.
Which policy stance are you referring to?
Pretty much all of them… But how about citizens united just to throw out a big one?
Citizens United was upheld in a 5:4 voted by a conservative scotus in 2010, to overturn campaign finance laws written and passed by democrats in 1995 and 2002, and dems actually tried to put back in place some campaign finance regulations with H.R. 1 For The People Act.
In fact, they passed it twice in the house, only for it to get blocked in the senate by Republicans both times.
Thanks for the info!
I guess as a start, the DNC can and should run big money/dark money/bribe free primaries. But they refuse to run free and fair primaries because they only want their corporately anointed shills to make it to the general election. Changing how the primaries are done should be top of the list when we take over the DNC and replace the shills with progressives.
Which Primary in particular do you think was unfair?
The first Obama primary was the last real one
So you think the DNC fabricated 30 Million votes in 2016?
The DNC needs the far right. Without it, their candidates would have to run on actual positions, rather than just “Vote for us because we’re not Republicans.”
The DNC hires the same consultants for running campaigns that the RNC use so naturally they will all veer right. The DNC has stopped trying to represent the people and wants to get their turn at the money funnel.
Fun fact, how many eagles they feature in campaign ads doesn’t dictate how right or left a politician is. Their voting history does. DNC as a whole is constantly veering left as polarization increased in the last 50 years.
As an outsider, I’d like to remind you 'muricans that you don’t have a democracy, much less a democratic party. You have two big groups that are kept afloat by big money in need of “favors”
Dems have been right of center for my entire life. It’s only because we have such far-right propaganda about socialism and such in schools that this seems normal.
Edit: when I made some comment / argument on a position in debate class when I was 15yo, the teacher whispered “socialist” to the class. I didn’t even know what that meant. Whatever I said, it was sure to be about helping people and making the world more fair to end up with that comment.
Just to be clear, it isn’t up to DNC committes or legislators to defeat MAGA. That’s our job. We have to go out and convince people to vote for the Democrats. Independents sometimes, too. We need to remove Maga from congress by defeating them in elections, us the citizens have to do that shit.
Stop blaming the solution for the problem we’re making, WE need to DO THIS. This is OUR JOB.
Abstentionists: *Don’t vote for Dems*
Dems: *lose the election*
Dems: *go further right in an attempt to attract more voters*
Abstentionists: *surprised Pikachu*
I cannot believe that the democrats have completely disregarded the lead-up to, the years of the trump presidency, and everything that has followed.
One thing has been starkly and objectively true - republicans place party before country. Even if it hurts them or flies in the face of everything they claim to believe in, they’ll still vote republican. They have internally equated being a democrat to being lower than a pedophile, lower than a felon, lower than a nazi.
So no matter how far right the democrats attempt to go, the conservatives absolutely don’t give a fuck. They will set themselves on fire before they vote democrat. The Democratic Party needs to stop wasting time on them.
Abstentionists will damn themselves and everyone around them on principle. Shitty inconsistent principles at that. I’m angry about that, outraged even. But surprised? Baffled? In disbelief? Never. Dumb fucks ruining everything is just the way of the world.
This is an affirmation of your conclusion, btw. The DNC are stupid, as is the RNC base, as are abstentionists.
Say it louder so people in the back can hear it! This is very true, if Democrats did better in elections they would be able to accomplish more of their goals.
Aren’t you concerned with your fellow countrymen being under represented by their options available in a First Past The Post voting system? Don’t you care about democracy?
“In my view, we need a strong Republican Party. We need a Republican Party that’s united.” - Joe Biden
Joe Biden, Primary Donald Trump As A Republican - SOME MORE NEWS (2019)
This is politician-talk for “get your fucking shit together, you’re embarrassing everyone”.
The context for that quote was a 2011 interview. The Obama administration was having trouble working with the Republicans because the Tea Party movement had gotten a lot of firebrands elected where working together with Democrats to effectively govern was unthinkable. The Republican House leadership since then has been weak, which has led to multiple government shutdowns.
Many layers to Dark Brandon /s
Similar to how Netanyahu’s faction in Israel kept funding Hamas to justify their objectives on control of the state.
“Ummmmm you’re kidding right? Our owners would never allow that. I was thinking more like swoop in and openly become the new right! Nows our chance to take the economic left mask off and embrace our neoliberalism!”
Yeah the American flavor of left actually enables facism. Sadly it’s the same thing you see in places like Germany, UK, Canada, and France. France is relatively better.
I feel like the LotR “Cast it into the fire!” meme would also work, where the ring is “Rich People Money”
We absolutely need to take advantage of the in-fighting, the DNC won’t do it, but… we can get a Rich Vs. Poor narrative going…
Haha, no we can’t. People enjoy the culture war way, way too much. Reddit and Lemmy are living proof. I see far more left vs right content than rich vs poor on here.
What is your definition of left-vs-right when rich-vs-poor is an explicitly left-wing framing? Are you so caught up in the culture wars to think left-vs-right is exclusively cultural?
We absolutely can
