To be fair, a person can be highly upset about Trump and uncomfortable (but much less so) about the transgender bathroom thing. Just a reminder that it’s not a binary world and people are allowed to be imperfect.
nah actually if you’re “uncomfortable” around trans people you’re just a bigot. they just want to be left alone, and statistically speaking they are the least likely group to harm you. there’s nothing to be uncomfortable about and and anyone who says otherwise is just making excuses for thinly veiled transphobia.
Thanks, Reverend, I’m sure shaking your finger and yelling will be a great way to convert 'em.
well, rational explanations backed up with sources tends to be met with “I’m not reading that” from the people who would say trans people make them uncomfortable (and many more issues). I remember in middle school I had some shitty opinions, and people made fun of me for them. guess what, I realized pretty quick that if everyone around me thinks my opinions are shit, maybe there’s a chance I could be in the wrong here. I don’t know when we got the idea that people’s shitty opinions are somehow justified as political nuance once they hit 18, but these people have their head so in the sand they will not listen to reason, even when they are met with data showing how their viewpoints harm themselves, people around them, and people they love. this goes for more than the trans debate too, and I’m tired of people saying “oh well maybe if you’re nice to them!”. if you preach hate, expect hate.
That’s fine if people are preaching hate, but feeling uncomfortable and not really knowing why isn’t “preaching hate”, and lumping those together is lazy meme-brained thinking, even if it’s decorated with a wall of text. The real world isn’t simply black and white, good and evil, it’s non-binary. Maybe that makes you uncomfortable.
you wouldn’t say you feel uncomfortable around disabled people or a specific race or gay people. why is it different when trans people are the target minority? I just fail to see the logic and I guess I’m just annoyed that I see me and my friends very existence being debated every time I go online.
We are all aware that not all bigots love Trump.
Help me clarify - if I have no problem with trans people I’m not a bigot in that way, right? But what if I’m also fine with people who “feel weird” about the concept - am I a bigot for allowing that it’s okay that their evolution is still ongoing, or are they bigots for not having reached perhaps your level of enlightenment yet? It seems kind of like the school of thought that says “everybody with more money than me is a rich bastard.”
Tolerance is a social contract: if all parties abide by it and tolerate the others, it holds. But if a party breaks it by denying some other (compliant) party tolerance, they forfeit their own right to receiving tolerance. They must not be tolerated, if that social contract is to be upheld.
Bigotry and tolerance are opposing forces. You cannot value one without rejecting the other. Bigotry must be as repulsive to you as tolerance is important. If you’re fine with bigots, that means tolerance isn’t that important to you.
From the perspective of those on the receiving end of bigotry, that looks a lot like enabling the bigots: if you could take a stance against it, but won’t, you’re complacent at best and complicit at worst. “I don’t care enough about you to compromise my unwillingness to take a stance.”
That isn’t the same as people who grew up with rigid gender norms (like most of us) and are in the progress of deprogramming. You can despise the mentality they were raised with, but if they’re actively trying to separate from it, that hate doesn’t need to extend to them. Nobody takes issue with people trying to change for the better.
We take issue with the raging mask-off “I’d rather creep on kids and elect a rapist than allow transgender kids to use the validating bathroom” bigots, which is what the post was about. They’re not “in an evolution”, bigotry is a part of their identity.
If and when they change course, they’ll fall into the previous group and we’ll be happy to help them. But until then, they’re the enemy, and anyone justifying their bigotry is an enabler.
Ahh, so the “Why should I pay for your healthcare” mindset is alive and well in the tolerance world. Pat on the head.
I’m “fine” with understanding that attitudes can be temporary and people can grow. We’re all born with human impulses that include a fear of the unknown, which we handle in our own way. Hopefully you’ll eventually outgrow your need to divide the world into people you condemn and people you haven’t found a reason to condemn yet.
Yes, being tolerating bigotry makes you a bigot.
Again meme-level thinking. Trying to understand and fix something isn’t “tolerating” it, but yeah it does mean not screaming at it, which offends binary thinkers.
Idk bro some opinions just ain’t worth trying to understand.
“Some people don’t deserve basic human rights” is a pretty simple ‘youre probably a piece of shit if you think this’.
I don’t need to “try to understand” that. It’s wrong, and it’s offensive. Validating that stance by treating it as worthy of consideration is just bigotry that you can feel better about.
Like I said, it’s not a binary world - meaning that people come in lots more categories than bigot and non-bigot. IMO it’s like you understand algebra so you’re filing people who don’t under “Irrevocably Stupid”, and also yelling at anybody who doesn’t do the same.
Your question makes no sense.
When did I say you were a bigot?
When did I say I was enlightened?
Yeah I replied to the wrong comment, that was meant for Lucifer somebody’s term paper rationalizing their meme-level thinking that it’s a binary world where you’re either GOOD or EVIL.
I’ll say it. The poster you were responding to is a bigot. ‘Tolerance of bigotry’ is itself bigotry, as it breaks the social contract of tolerance in the same way that bigotry does. By validating bigots, you are showing the minorities they target that you accept the bigotry against them and causing the same kind of harm as the bigot did in the first place.
Just a reminder that it’s not a binary world
Obviously. That’s why we’re in this “bathroom” situation to begin with.
whoosh
im not upset about trans women using the bathroom, im upset that i suck at meeting them.
Have you tried the Lex app?
It started off as a WLW text-based dating app, modeled off of old school newspaper personal ads. Over the years, it has evolved into a queer social media site (with dating as one of its key components.) Highly recommended. It’s where I found my girlfriend. :)
ah, its an app. not for me. thanks for the recc though.
No I haven’t I’ll have to check it out!
Clearly you’ve been hanging out in the wrong bathrooms
oddly some of them had holes in them, near the middle. maybe people like to have meetings in the toilet?
I’m not that upset about a trans woman using my bathroom. I am concerned about how she got into my house.
She’s a locksmith, and she’s a locksmith.
Oxsmith?
How’s this a meme?
Good catch! The fact that you’re getting almost equally upvoted and douchevoted is puzzling.
It is not
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I’m always curious when something significantly upvoted gets removed.
I asked them if they wanted to hear a funny joke.
Then i spoilered “go fund yourself”
I did not say fund.
Ig some people found that funny, and a mod didnt.
I dont find the person I told to fund themself, to be here in good faith.
Have a nice day!!
I upvoted on principle
Everything is a meme with enough jpg
Whatever happened to *clutches pearls* civility?
Oh right…
Civility is reserved for the rightful aristocracy. The serfs receive the privilege of bowing and the honor of knowing their place.
I’ve seen so many tweets from this person (and one other is older guy who looks like Steven Spielberg) ever since Trump became president.
Who are they?
It’s JoJo from Jerz
I noticed the same thing and I know exactly who you are talking about. And I don’t know. Internet-famous Twitter people I guess
Jeff Tiedrich?
I also just know him as the Twitter Steven Spielberg
Yup. I was thinking something Dietrich but you got it.
His daughter made awkward zombie
I mean, is she any less qualified than, like, Maureen Dowd, or Ezra Klein, or George Will, or any one of the dozen other lint-brained pundits that get paid thousands of dollars to write their idiotic drivel for billionaires in newspaper op-ed columns?
I must admit I have never heard of any of those people.
Yeah, my “millennial who is still pissed about stupid shit they read during the Clinton and W administrations” might be showing there
You just be an elder millennial like myself but I’m guessing you’re more well read than I
I don’t think I said anything other than I don’t know who they are, which isn’t a value judgement unless you assume “Internet famous” is bad
Ezra Klein is the only person I’ve heard of that you listed btw. That doesn’t mean much though
A human with a brain?
She throws a whole lot of tweets at the wall and sometimes one of them sticks.
Based take
Wow this surely will get them to change their views and votes! Why has no one thought of this before!
Please, don’t insult idiots by comparing them with such … people.
Please, don’t insult people by comparing them with… [Thesaurus here]
Try mentioning to Jo that Biden molested his daughter.
It’s not that she’s against cults. She’s just upset about a rival cult.
There is no Biden cult; most dems and leftists fucking hate him.
Got a source for the molestation? First I’ve heard of it. I remember some flimsy story from some other woman that ended up being completely unsubstantiated.
What is defending a politician committing a genocide, if not cult behavior?
The Ashley Biden diary is the most recent example of a blanket media blackout, a July 2019 excerpt going viral two weeks ago. Read this and defend it as non-newsworthy:
“Was I molested,” the author writes. “I think so — I can’t remember specifics but I do remember trauma. Hyper-sexualized @ a young age . . . I remember being somewhat sexualized with Caroline; I remember having sex with friends @ a young age; showers w/my dad (probably not appropriate).”Amidst zero people defend the genocide, hence the part where I pointed out that most people hate him. Are you fucking stupid or something? Do you think that turning every conversation about literally everything into a conversation about Gaza will do absolutely anything about the situation at all?
Everybody knows it’s horrific. Everybody hates it. I hate it. I can’t fucking stop it, voting for, or supporting, either party wasn’t going to fix it (though one side campaigned on turbo charging it, which still makes them the objectively worse choice ethically and morally), so all I can do is focus on the other things that could change and be better.
I’m so fucking tired of you morons derailing every conversation to tell us everything we already know because you’re too stupid to understand that other things still exist.
UN experts report Netanyahu and the Biden admin are on track to eradicate 95% of the Gaza population. It is the most important thing happening in the world right now.
If talking about it didn’t do any good, they wouldn’t be spending so much time and money trying to convince us to stop talking about it.
It’s cute that you don’t want anyone to remember this, but I remember it:
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20240628-trump-let-israel-finish-the-job-in-gaza/
I remember it, too. What’s your point?
Again, with the current situation under Biden, UN experts project eradication of the population.
The problem is you neoliberals think words are equal to actions. Trump using harsher language doesn’t make Biden’s actions any different.
“Trump uses harsher language, therefore he won’t be responsible for genocide” is a weird argument.
What is defending a politician committing a genocide, if not cult behavior?
It’s people having a different opinion of events than you do. A cult is more like when your group thinks it’s clearly, obviously, inarguably wrong not to see everything through your lens. That’s a cult.
You mean like believing amnesty international, the UN, Doctors Without Borders, and the ICC are wrong about genocide? That kind of “different opinion?”
No I mean realizing the world isn’t a meme. For example not everybody would think buying a box of screws from Home Depot is genocide because the CEO is pro-Israel.
Sending bombs to arm a genocide, in violation of both international & domestic laws, is in fact committing genocide.
Actually “in fact” and “one way to look at it” are different, and I’m done with this so go ahead and have the last word and award yourself internet moral victory points.
Oh, no! Biden! Better check my… checks notes… inability to give a shit about Joe Biden. Nobody gives a shit about Joe Biden, because we’re not in a weird Joe Biden cult.
That’s the point. You never cared about his crimes, because Blue MAGA is just another version of the Red MAGA cult.
Nobody supports or likes Joe Biden. Nobody wanted to vote for Joe Biden. No one is wearing hats and waving Biden flags. That’s your weird geriatric-erotic thing. But Donald Trump is objectively worse in every regard, unless you’re dimwitted and openly embrace an alternative reality (as you do).
Was he convicted in a court of law? Were charges even brought?
That’s your measure of accountability? Whether they got away with it?
You Blue MAGAs have less self-awareness than the red ones.
I would try mentioning to you that ain’t nobody taking about Biden.
Or would the fact that there is no rival cult to yours embarrass and/or confuse you too much?!?
Exactly. You don’t talk about your own sides crimes, because you don’t actually care about the crimes. It’s just partisan bullshit games.
I’m a leftist. I’m not in the Red or Blue MAGA cult.
If Biden committed crimes, I hope they arrest and try him for it and don’t find stupid excuses like it’s okay if a president does it.
Your turn. Let’s hear about how Trump should be arrested and tried for his crimes too.
I’ll do you one better: every single living US president should stand trial at The Hague for their crimes, regardless of their party.
Yes, putting centenarian Jimmy Carter on trial would definitely achieve something or other.
Yes, it shows that even the elderly do not get away with war crimes.
But thanks for confessing the limits of your support for accountability.
Putting words in my mouth is just proving my point that you’re a troll.
But what kind of leftist tho? Still in high school or not allowed within 1000 ft of one?
I’m a leftist. Not an Israeli.
Your weirdly adversarial comments only effectively help sow the discord between “red” and “blue”.
Besides, at exactly what point did I say I picked a side? Hint: I didn’t. I’m me, not some arbitrary label for a box someone wants to shove me into. I don’t what care what label you pick, even “leftist”, the moment you let them assign you to a box, you’ve lost.
You’re not a very good astroturfer. You have to pick a lane. You wanna accuse me of being divisive, or be divisive yourself and dissuade people from collaborating.
Red and blue are on the same side. They’re with the fascists. But if you look at polling and voter turnout, most people in this country don’t support either one.
Oh, just shut the fuck up.
I’m the to astroturfer, yet you keep assigning everyone their appropriate label.
And, fuck right off with the collaboration shit; running around screaming about whatever crimes, real or imaginary, ain’t collaboration.
But, hey, guess what? You win! Cause I’m not replying anymore cause I’m blocking your stupid ass. Enjoy fucking right the hell off…
Read the room. People aren’t buying your pro-Dem bs anymore.
It’s not left vs right. It’s top vs bottom, and we’re finally making significant progress in convincing people of that fact.
Yaaaawn. Low quality bait.
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