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“I can’t believe known liar Donald Trump would lie to us! I can’t even imagine how a liar who lies about everything would lie!? It’s unimaginable!”
What you just said is a lie because Trump never lies, liar!
“It’s insane to think a convicted fraud would lie, right?”
He’s been vocal about blocking this deal for a while now. What lie are you talking about? Even Biden and Harris expressed interest in blocking it.
Leopards are going to be obese
That’s how we stop them … let the leopards eat so many faces that they get big and fat and can’t eat any more faces.
Only problem is, they’ve been eating faces for thousands of years and they’re still not full :(
Like the kill bots? Throw people at them until they hit their pre defined killing limit so they shut down. I like the cut of your jib.
I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again. Their racism ties are stronger than their union ties.
They voted for him for their prejudices, not for their workers rights.
They’re going to get the racism they wanted, they just thought he’d also support their unions. They’re upset they can’t get both things, but they won’t trade their racism for union support, even now. They want both, but if they can have only one, it’s racism. They’ll just bitch about this.
You realize the union is against this acquisition? If this sale goes through, US Steel executives get a windfall and union members, without any protections, get to look for another job. Trump, Biden, and Harris all campaigned against it.
Union leaders at the Irvin Works in West Mifflin say 95% of their members are in favor of the Nippon merger, and many of them were at the Trump rally in Pittsburgh one day before the election.
The union leaders say they were initially skeptical of the deal, but support grew after they met with Nippon executives who visited the area during the summer. Nippon pledged to spend $1 billion to upgrade the 86-year-old hot strip mill at Irvin.
https://www.wtae.com/article/us-steel-nippon-trump-steelworkers/63085379
Says the steelworkers union organization officially opposes it, so sounds like the union leadership is split but the workers support it.
The jobs are even at more risk if US Steel goes under. Unless nationalization is an option.
It should be. There’s a few industries you have to prop up even if they’re wildly uneconomical because we know for a fact what happened the last time nations let globalization ruin their war production capability. Hell the American steel industry is arguably the single most important industry for about 120 years and arguably the main reason the allies won either world war.
If tariffs are increased and migration reduced, there is a good chance the working class will get more economic power long term. The inflation will sky rocket, but so may blue collar salaries. I believe that’s i big reason why Trump won. Sometimes the gut or common sense triumphs the neoliberal dogma.
I doubt salaries will skyrocket, sure there will be more people being hired to meet domestic demand increasing but I doubt that companies will actually pay more to their employees. And even if they do I can’t imagine that it will be a significant increase when taking into account the inflation that will be caused.
The tariffs don’t mean that there will be an increase in domestic production. It means manufacturers will seek out a different source for cheap materials. If those happen to be domestic, that’s good. Most likely they will be from some other nation like India.
Yeah I agree, I was just looking at it from the best case scenario that might lead to salary increases to show that even then it probably won’t happen.
The supply and demand should at least be in favor of blue collar. But there might be a lot of political repression and union busting. Still, there will for sure be some shift in economic power, that will favor unions and the value of labor in general. Exciting times ahead. Similarities with 1920s are overwhelming.
I mean I guess exciting is one way to put it if you find the great depressing exciting. Even if it did lead to FDR and a number of progressive policies it still took around a decade of horrible unemployment and poverty to get to that point.
Yep. Things will only get shittier in the US for as long as they/you don’t reverse the inequality trend. It’s impossible to have a functional democracy with the current gini coefficient. And it’s rapidly getting worse.
At some point, from an evolutionary perspective, it’s probably rational to crave chaos, system collapse or revolution, if you’re at the perceived socioeconomic bottom. Trump 2.0 might have been that point. Democrats didn’t present a credible solution, rather they just demonstrated that they don’t understand much. Just more neoliberal globalist crap, sprinkled with a touch of welfare and identity politics. Then it might be better to just opt for high risk and chaos, and hope you get lucky.
(I know there are good democrats as well, but they’re not in charge.)
Yeah I totally agree, I’m just still holding out hope there’s some way to get real reforms that help people cause that would be the best case scenario. But yeah it is starting to seem that chaos and system collapse might be the only way to get real change. I just worry we’re at a point where if the system collapses we’ll end up with Nazi Germany rather than New Deal America.
It’s a gamble for sure.
Yeah, but the happy times in the 50s to the 70s had one more factor, that the world was recovering from an insanely destructive world war that left the US unscathed, a unique thing at the time.
China was just coming out of a nation-deciding civil war, in addition to the genocide and war with Japan, Japan had Hiroshima and Nagasaki, Europe was in ruins and was gearing up to holding guns to each other’s heads for the next 40 years, and Russia was kinda like it is now.
I wasn’t even really talking about the boom after the war, I was talking more about the progressive reforms and things that happened that helped end the great depression which was mostly before the war. The war definitely helped continue that recovery and expand it into what we saw after the war but I think generally people agree the great depression was over in 1939 which was right as the war was starting.
Interesting, but wouldn’t higher salaries be cancelled out by the higher inflation?
Yes, but there might be a shift in power. It can have a progressive effect as long as there are enough jobs. Everyone will become more poor in absolute terms for sure. It could lead to more domestic productivity enhancing investments, which hopefully will lead to better education and work conditions.
But to be fair, nobody knows what will happen. We’re all just guessing and hoping. Usually the poor get fucked no matter what. It’s a gamble. But the current trade balance is for sure unsustainable and it relies on military domination (which also is unsustainable).
Holy fuck you believe that too, don’t you?
What do you believe?
Could you better explain this cause-effect relationship between higher tariffs coupled with reduced migration and increased blue-collar salaries?
“the scorpion won’t sting me, or he would surely drown as well. What healthy, rational animal would want to destroy itself?” - frog
“They’re eating the cats and dogs, fuck paying overtime, and white ethnostate nationalists are my friends” - brainrot scorpion
This is shit propaganda and most of you are eating it up. The union didn’t want this deal either. Harris and Biden also pledged to block it. Just yesterday, the union released a statement thanking Trump for reiterating his support:
Not exactly. Everything you said is true, but the post is also true. The union does support the blocking of this deal at the national level. But some local workers and officials support the deal.
Trump upsets local union leaders by opposing U.S. Steel-Nippon deal https://triblive.com/news/politics-election/gut-punch-trump-upsets-local-union-leaders-by-opposing-us-steel-nippon-deal/
Trump promised to block the sale of U.S. Steel. What does that mean for the Pittsburgh area? https://www.cbsnews.com/pittsburgh/news/trump-us-steel-sale-pittsburgh-impact/
Steelworkers Feel ‘Gut Punch’ as Trump Plans to Block Takeover https://www.newsweek.com/pennsylvania-steelworkers-donald-trump-plans-block-us-steel-nippon-merger-1995300
Trump vows to block U.S. Steel’s takeover by Japan’s Nippon Steel https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-to-block-us-steel-nippon-steel-acquisition/
Trump vows to block Nippon Steel’s purchase of U.S. Steel https://finance-commerce.com/2024/12/trump-vows-to-block-nippon-steels-purchase-of-u-s-steel/
Trump vows to block Japanese steelmaker from buying US Steel, pledges tax incentives and tariffs https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/trump-vows-block-japanese-steelmaker-buying-us-steel-116416311
No, this post isn’t true. It immediately claims “they fell for the con,” implying that these union members voted for Trump thinking he would back the deal and were betrayed. However, Trump, Biden, and Harris all have been consistently against this acquisition. Even four of your linked articles use the term “reiterated” when describing Trump’s stance. This is something he campaigned on. Nobody “fell for a con.” Sure, a few union members may have disagreed; however, if they thought any of the two-party candidates were going to allow this, they were delusional.
OK, I’ll admit “fell for the con” may be a bit strong bordering on false, I meant the fact that the general point of the post is true. These specific people were convinced Trump was going to do one thing and then got upset when he did the opposite. I think it’s equally too strong to call it outright propaganda. Your comment makes it sound as though the entire thing is fabricated.
Zugai said he attended Trump rallies in Westmoreland County and Pittsburgh in the run-up to the election, even meeting with the president-elect at one, and helped organize steelworkers to attend.
Trump did not mention any opposition to the U.S. Steel-Nippon deal at those rallies. Zugai said Trump told him then that he would take another look at the deal after he won the election.
Zugai said he was hopeful Trump would eventually support it after speaking with Mon Valley workers and members of Mon Valley communities.
So yes, you could argue they’re delusional and deluded themselves into believing he may change his mind on the policy, but they did vote for him on that basis and so felt betrayed and conned when reality happened.
Also we obviously don’t know whatever conversation he personally had with Trump, but it could have potentially been enough to convince him there was a real chance of Trump changing his mind, and Trump may have intentionally led him to believe that, but that’s obviously speculation. I do think that’s what he truly believed though. And it appears Trump didn’t actively try to make it clear at the time.
Man, that geriatric orange pervert sure does act like a healthcare CEO…
You don’t want Vance at the helm. Trump can be distracted by rattling keys, Vance is as sharp as a tack.
It’s not like US citizens lack ammo to do it twice
Not condoning violence though
It’s funny how I’ve seen this EXACT comment weeks ago.
Aside from Trump being an awful
liarhuman, he is also evidently Japanophobic. What good logical reason is there to oppose the deal? Japan isn’t a rival like China, it is the US’s most willing ally. This will hurt more than just union jobs.he is also evidently
JapanophobicWith this small correction, everything makes sense
Everyone knew this…
well, not EVERYONE, obviously.
Leopard meet face
The leopards are hungry for faces already?
I never thought they’d eat MY face
“They fell for the con” seems harsh and inaccurate.
Everyone knew Trump was lying with his promises. But Dems couldn’t even be bothered to offer empty promises. If your only options are someone who openly doesn’t give a shit about you, or someone who pretends to (even though they’re probably lying), you’re better off taking a chance on the lie.
If a con man offers me the world, and you offer me nothing, and I listen to the con man… I’ve still fallen for the con, my guy.
Not really. You just chose the least shitty option you were being forced into.
But I understand acknowledging that would interfere with your ability to feel smug.
How is a lie ‘the least shitty option?’
Because it’s a binary choice where the other option is someone not even willing to pretend they’ll help you.
Still a bad option.
The person who is upfront about it can be reasoned with. The liar is never going to be trustworthy.
If the guy at the train station lies and tells me that the train will be here in an hour I waste an hour. If he tells me the train has been cancelled I know to make another plan.
A better example would be a waiter who spits on your sandwich in the kitchen vs one who’ll spit on it after they drop it off at the table.
Your best choice is to burn down the diner.
Nothing says ‘privilege’ more than people who talk about burning the system down.
It’s like the guys who have never been in a fight are always ready to see other people go at it.
Even your own example doesn’t prove your point. I’d rather someone spit in my food where I can see it and ignore it.
What? How am I being smug by just pointing out that falling for a con is… Falling for a con? Trump is a well, well, well documented con man. Like… Maybe the most well documented con man ever. It’s really hard to feel bad for anyone who voted for him getting screwed over.
Love the ‘how am I being smug?!’ followed by the classic smug victim blaming.
Both Dem and GOP supporters are being conned. Neither of you are in a position to be pointing fingers at the other.
To be clear, I don’t blame people who fall for scams or cons. I did say it’s hard to feel bad for Trump voters specifically, but that’s a pretty special circumstance as I tried to describe.
All I said was that falling for a scam or con is falling for a scam or con.
Yeah. That’s called ‘being smug.’ Especially if you just voted for the other fascist.
Why do you presume to know who I voted for? Or that I’m even American?
I really don’t think we share the same definition of smug. Have a good day.
Except they had some coherent and sound policy? A lot if it is way too status quo or populist when that clearly isnt working.
Trump has some sound policy too (as much as Lemmy would hate to admit it), but its also filled with obvious leapord face eating proposals, even if you 100% believe him.
And its not like he hasn’t been president already, albeit much more restrained before.
Thats the most baffling thing about Trump support to me… There’s this hope, this fantasy he’s the change we need when we have no other choice, when that is absolutely not true if you look at his cabinet, history, and policy. He’s a grifter even if you look at hus history before politics. Why does he get the benefit of the doubt?
What was their coherent and sound policy?
Dems just still believe they’re entitled to the working class vote, and aren’t willing to offer anything to earn it. Still the failed Clinton strategy of skipping them over, but counting on their votes anyway.
Uh, how about not giving the rich massive tax breaks and rocketing the national debt even higher so quickly? Anti inflation measures, support for higher wages? Actual support for unions, as tepid as it may be? Attempts to relieve debt? Let’s start with that.
What exactly do you think Trump is even theoretically bringing that Dems aren’t?
The Dems were not offering anything like that. You’re pulling that out of your ass.
I didn’t say Trump was better. The Dems and GOP are two sides of the same fascist coin. We have to defeat them both.
Those were the basics of Harris’s platform. Tax the wealthy, support unions, tamper inflation.
No, it wasn’t. There were some vague and empty promises, but that kinda thing is a hard sell when you’re already in power and not doing those things.
Wait, so now they have “vague and empty promises”? I thought they couldn’t even be bothered to lie, and had nothing to offer, making a con-man preferable?
I kinda feel like you’re just more mad at Democrats than you are at Republicans who are actually doing bad things.
Yeah it was funny to me having kamala literally copy-paste biden’s 2nd term agenda and then talk about the things she’d do when she’s in charge.
I’m like, yo aren’t you VP? Maybe get bidens ear, get started now, put some skin in the game?
When it’s time to mend the social safety net, Dems have this ongoing act, like they’re always on the campaign and not in power.
Do executive orders count?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protecting_the_Right_to_Organize_Act
What about pro-union congressional bills that are being blocked by Republicans?
What exactly is the Republican coherent and sound policy? Because the one I’ve seen is largely union-busting and cutting regulations on businesses. Democrats have definitely failed to show the work they’re doing and show how Republicans have fought tooth and nail to block and roll back worker protections, but it is entirely disingenuous to claim Dems “openly don’t give a shit about you.”
When did I imply Republicans have anything better? Gonna blow your mind here: criticism of Dems is not support of Republicans.
No, I’m not satisfied with symbolic efforts from Dems. Clearly, most of the country isn’t either.
If your only options are someone who openly doesn’t give a shit about you, or someone who pretends to (even though they’re probably lying), you’re better off taking a chance on the lie.
There. Where you say republicans are probably lying but you’re better off taking a chance on a lie. If you hold both parties to a different standard to the detriment of one, you’re supporting one of those parties over the other.
You’re projecting your binary worldview onto me. Only way you could interpret it that way.
You’ve been projecting the insides of your asshole all over this fucking thread.
Shut up fuck off and stop pulling shit out if that gaping barn door of an ass while lying through your fucking teeth.
You’re right critical thinking is hard for people, but it’s still a con and they still fell for it.
If you know the political process is filled with liars and your only options is someone that doesn’t want to make overblown statements that are clearly lies and someone that does lie (you know this because of his past lies) then you should have picked the person that lies the least.
Not necessarily. They didn’t need to believe it in order to consider it the least bad option.
Dems are still riding with the Clinton “basket of deplorables” failed strategy. They openly and outwardly despise any voters that aren’t white collar liberals. And y’all have the gall to criticize these people for not jumping onboard with a party who proudly hates them. Unbelievably obtuse.
That’s not what “basket of deplorables” meant
K. Tell me what you think it means.
It’s referring to the subset of republicans that are openly evil, not just people who “aren’t white collar liberals”
The mental gymnastics here are insane
Not nearly as insane as expecting people you’ll do nothing for to help you get elected.
That’s not the same thing as saying that republicans are better because they’re lying to you while giving you worse policies lmao
No one said that.
“you’re better off taking a chance on the lie.”
I guess you didn’t technically say that republicans have worse policies, but… please don’t tell me you believe they’re even comparable
Oh they’re not comparable? Which party isn’t supporting genocide right now?
Unless you care about literally nothing else, that doesn’t make the two parties equal. Trump is more enthusiastic about that anyways and has actively sabotaged Biden’s ceasefire attempts and said he would destroy Palestine entirely. It’s pretty close though tbh considering Biden keeps sending weapons. I wish the dems would just man up and back out of there
Wile not “both sides” as one side is obviously worse, the democrats did actively work against unions during Biden’s presidency. And sure Biden made talk about passing PRO, which he failed to do, but he also forced terms on the rail unions, and made it illegal for them to strike, and thus making the rail union forever powerless to fight for its members, and dooming it to obsolescence
Which side is obviously worse?
I thought we established long ago that committing a genocide is the worst thing anyone can possibly do. And they both are doing that.
One promises to do it better.
They both do. They’re both lying.
I ain’t going to bother trying to defend democrats from how terrible they are, but it’s no contest as to which is worse objectively. It’s not even close.
Depends if you judge politicians by their promises or their actions.
I judge their actions, and the parties are nearly identical by that measure.
Good thing i get to judge the whole republican party by their actions then
Yep. The libs here just don’t have a clue. Probably because they only want idealism, when they should study materialism and evolutionary game theory. Or human nature in general.
honestly I have to agree with this. I don’t agree with a lot of things he wants to do, but directly outsourcing more industries out of the US isn’t helpful to the US. Costs stay up since it rarely leads to prices going down once they are up. it just moves out of country/makes us more dependant on others
This is one of the issues both parties agreed on. Trump, Biden, and Harris all pledged to block the deal and the union was against it too. OP should be ashamed of posting this.
Good, hope it knocked the wind right out of them.
Yeah about that …
4 more years of the dumbest sheep of all time complaining about the wolf they just worshipped like a god, while the entire time he told them he was going to fuck their lives up so hard the moment he got the chance.
