Except they had some coherent and sound policy? A lot if it is way too status quo or populist when that clearly isnt working.
Trump has some sound policy too (as much as Lemmy would hate to admit it), but its also filled with obvious leapord face eating proposals, even if you 100% believe him.
And its not like he hasn’t been president already, albeit much more restrained before.
Thats the most baffling thing about Trump support to me… There’s this hope, this fantasy he’s the change we need when we have no other choice, when that is absolutely not true if you look at his cabinet, history, and policy. He’s a grifter even if you look at hus history before politics. Why does he get the benefit of the doubt?
Dems just still believe they’re entitled to the working class vote, and aren’t willing to offer anything to earn it. Still the failed Clinton strategy of skipping them over, but counting on their votes anyway.
Uh, how about not giving the rich massive tax breaks and rocketing the national debt even higher so quickly? Anti inflation measures, support for higher wages? Actual support for unions, as tepid as it may be? Attempts to relieve debt? Let’s start with that.
What exactly do you think Trump is even theoretically bringing that Dems aren’t?
Wait, so now they have “vague and empty promises”? I thought they couldn’t even be bothered to lie, and had nothing to offer, making a con-man preferable?
I kinda feel like you’re just more mad at Democrats than you are at Republicans who are actually doing bad things.
Yes, I am more mad at Democrats than Republicans. They’re both doing bad things, but the Dems are the ones trying to pretend they’re not and claiming they represent our interests. Doing what Dems have always done, and absorbing leftist energy to actively prevent change.
Because the party has become completely focused on high dollar salaries for the consultants running these campaigns. And they wonder why that doesn’t translate into victory.
What about pro-union congressional bills that are being blocked by Republicans?
What exactly is the Republican coherent and sound policy? Because the one I’ve seen is largely union-busting and cutting regulations on businesses. Democrats have definitely failed to show the work they’re doing and show how Republicans have fought tooth and nail to block and roll back worker protections, but it is entirely disingenuous to claim Dems “openly don’t give a shit about you.”
If your only options are someone who openly doesn’t give a shit about you, or someone who pretends to (even though they’re probably lying), you’re better off taking a chance on the lie.
There. Where you say republicans are probably lying but you’re better off taking a chance on a lie. If you hold both parties to a different standard to the detriment of one, you’re supporting one of those parties over the other.
I hope many libs are quietly finding a new place on the left as the DNC leaves em, as their louder counterparts follow right and fash up. It’s really scary if that’s not the case.
Except they had some coherent and sound policy? A lot if it is way too status quo or populist when that clearly isnt working.
Trump has some sound policy too (as much as Lemmy would hate to admit it), but its also filled with obvious leapord face eating proposals, even if you 100% believe him.
And its not like he hasn’t been president already, albeit much more restrained before.
Thats the most baffling thing about Trump support to me… There’s this hope, this fantasy he’s the change we need when we have no other choice, when that is absolutely not true if you look at his cabinet, history, and policy. He’s a grifter even if you look at hus history before politics. Why does he get the benefit of the doubt?
What was their coherent and sound policy?
Dems just still believe they’re entitled to the working class vote, and aren’t willing to offer anything to earn it. Still the failed Clinton strategy of skipping them over, but counting on their votes anyway.
Uh, how about not giving the rich massive tax breaks and rocketing the national debt even higher so quickly? Anti inflation measures, support for higher wages? Actual support for unions, as tepid as it may be? Attempts to relieve debt? Let’s start with that.
What exactly do you think Trump is even theoretically bringing that Dems aren’t?
The Dems were not offering anything like that. You’re pulling that out of your ass.
I didn’t say Trump was better. The Dems and GOP are two sides of the same fascist coin. We have to defeat them both.
Those were the basics of Harris’s platform. Tax the wealthy, support unions, tamper inflation.
No, it wasn’t. There were some vague and empty promises, but that kinda thing is a hard sell when you’re already in power and not doing those things.
Wait, so now they have “vague and empty promises”? I thought they couldn’t even be bothered to lie, and had nothing to offer, making a con-man preferable?
I kinda feel like you’re just more mad at Democrats than you are at Republicans who are actually doing bad things.
Yes, I am more mad at Democrats than Republicans. They’re both doing bad things, but the Dems are the ones trying to pretend they’re not and claiming they represent our interests. Doing what Dems have always done, and absorbing leftist energy to actively prevent change.
Yeah it was funny to me having kamala literally copy-paste biden’s 2nd term agenda and then talk about the things she’d do when she’s in charge.
I’m like, yo aren’t you VP? Maybe get bidens ear, get started now, put some skin in the game?
When it’s time to mend the social safety net, Dems have this ongoing act, like they’re always on the campaign and not in power.
Because the party has become completely focused on high dollar salaries for the consultants running these campaigns. And they wonder why that doesn’t translate into victory.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2021/04/26/executive-order-on-worker-organizing-and-empowerment/
Do executive orders count?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protecting_the_Right_to_Organize_Act
What about pro-union congressional bills that are being blocked by Republicans?
What exactly is the Republican coherent and sound policy? Because the one I’ve seen is largely union-busting and cutting regulations on businesses. Democrats have definitely failed to show the work they’re doing and show how Republicans have fought tooth and nail to block and roll back worker protections, but it is entirely disingenuous to claim Dems “openly don’t give a shit about you.”
When did I imply Republicans have anything better? Gonna blow your mind here: criticism of Dems is not support of Republicans.
No, I’m not satisfied with symbolic efforts from Dems. Clearly, most of the country isn’t either.
There. Where you say republicans are probably lying but you’re better off taking a chance on a lie. If you hold both parties to a different standard to the detriment of one, you’re supporting one of those parties over the other.
You’re projecting your binary worldview onto me. Only way you could interpret it that way.
You’ve been projecting the insides of your asshole all over this fucking thread.
Shut up fuck off and stop pulling shit out if that gaping barn door of an ass while lying through your fucking teeth.
Y’all get so offended by any criticism of the Blue MAGA cult. Wild you can so smugly laugh at the Red MAGA cult at the same time. No self-awareness.
Man the libs are not ok.
I hope many libs are quietly finding a new place on the left as the DNC leaves em, as their louder counterparts follow right and fash up. It’s really scary if that’s not the case.
Oops! Did a lib scratch themselves on the sharp end of their acumen?
lmaooo
Take your meds bro.