Donald Trump has been elected the 47th president of the United States, an extraordinary comeback for a former president who refused to accept defeat four years ago, sparked a violent insurrection at the U.S. Capitol, was convicted of felony charges and survived two assassination attempts.

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      Well I guess the good news is that it no longer matters if they learn anything? These election results make it clear that going forward they’ll have about as much effect on lawmaking as a dead hamster. It’s even possible that, except for serving as a convenient cardboard bogeyman, they’ll otherwise cease to exist at all.

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    I feel like people are just rolling over and taking it? He shouldn’t even be eligible because of the 14th Amendment “no insurrection” thing.

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    On the plus side maybe we will start hearing about the horrors at the US Border that magically stopped in november 2020.

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      Eh, at this point a majority of the voting block voted for fascism. I’m about ready to just call it, go home and not participate anymore.

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        I understand your feelings but would urge you tor reconsider. All it takes for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing.

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      Only if you’re white. If not, do as your told or you may be assaulted, imprisoned, or shot dead. Sometimes you’ll do what your told and those things will still happen.

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    Despair is typical of those who do not understand the causes of evil, see no way out, and are incapable of struggle.

    -Vladimir Lenin

    There is hope! It isn’t easy, it isn’t fun, but if we can know our circumstances, we can know our way out of them, and if we know our way out, we can get out.

    1. Get organized. Join a Leftist org, find solidarity with fellow comrades, and protect each other. The Dems will not save you, it is up to the Workers to protect themselves. The Party for Socialism and Liberation and Freedom Road Socialist Organization both organize year round, every year, because the battle for progress is a constant struggle, not a single election. See if there is a chapter near you, or start one! Or, see if there’s an org you like more near you and join it, the point is that organizing is the best thing any leftist can do.

    2. Read theory. A good primer is Blackshirts and Reds. It will help contextualize what fascism is, what causes it, and how to stop it. I can offer a good introductory reading list regarding Marxism if you’d like, but this is a good starting point.

    3. Aggressively combat white supremacy, misogyny, queerphobia, and other attacks on marginalized communities. Cede no ground.

    4. Be more industrious, and self-sufficient. Take up gardening, home repair, tinkering. It is through practice that you elevate your problem-solving capabilities. Not only will you improve your skill at one subject, but your general problem-solving muscles get strengthened as well. Theory guides practice, which sharpens theory to be reapplied to better practice.

    5. Learn self-defense. Get armed, if practical. Be ready to protect yourself and others. The Democrats will not save us, we must save each other.

    6. Be persistent. If you feel like a single water driplet against a mountain, think of the Grand Canyon. Oh, how our efforts pile up! With consistency, every rock, boulder, even mountain, can be drilled through with nothing but steady and persistent water droplets.

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      I just hope that he will follow through with quickly finishing the war in Ukraine.

      Yeah, that’s a monkey paw wish. His “ending the war in Ukraine” almost certainly means giving Putin whatever he wants.

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        Yeah, that’s a monkey paw wish. His “ending the war in Ukraine” almost certainly means giving Putin whatever he wants.

        Even if you are right (I don’t think so), so what?

        How is this worse then what is hapenning now (to Ukrainians)?

        Inb4 probably some delusiomal fantasies about how Putin is gonna invade the whole world, etc. :/

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          I recall they said the same about Hilter. It was called appeasement. Don’t accept bullies demands. Period.

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            I recall they said the same about Hilter. It was called appeasement. Don’t accept bullies demands. Period.

            Then go sign up for foreign legion and go make sure Putin loses. Don’t make Ukrainians die instead of you for your wild fantasies.

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              Make them die? They can surrender themselves right? As long as they want to fight I see no reason not to supply them with the means to usurp the oppressers.

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                Make them die?

                Yes, exactly.

                They can surrender themselves right?

                How? Surrendering in modern warfare is super hard, you will either be droned by enemy because they mistake your surrendering for attacking, or by your side for surrendering.

                As long as they want to fight I see no reason not to supply them with the means to usurp the oppressers.

                Sure, supply those who want to fight. You do know though, that people in Ukraine are given no choice? Zelensky forbade people to leave the country (and he is way more successful at keeping the western border safe than eastern one (that is, from people wanting to escape this hell) - weak against strong ones, and strong against weak ones). Zelensky’s regime kidnaps people from the streets and sends them to the meatgrinder. If you care about “helping people fight against oppressive regimes” you should support those people, not the ones terrorizing them.

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                  No, I meant Ukraine as a country could surrender.

                  I believe kidnapping citizens to fight is basically an express draft. Countries do it In times of war.

                  Not that this conversation matters. Neither of our opinions matter. Trump will stop support and they will becomes west Russia and I’m sure they will be kidnapped off the streets and drafted to go fight another war somewhere but this time not for thier country. USSR was soo nice before. I’m sure they didn’t treat Ukranians poorly before and certainly will not now that they put up a fight for years embarrassing russia.

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        I’m sure he will, by giving Ukraine to Russia

        Wouldn’t happen, but even this is way better than giving it to Zelensky.

        and letting them murder Zelensky.

        No way. I mean that would be awesome of course, bringing justice to that murderer who killed hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians, terrorizing the rest for three years and not letting people escape. But that would never happen, USA almost certainly gave Zelensky some guarantees that he will be able to escape to USA after this war ends.

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            So Putin is better for Ukraine?

            For Ukraine - I don’t know what “Putin for Ukraine” means… If Ukraine would be Putin’s then it probably wouldn’t be Ukraine but Russia (unless Putin would be a president of both countries or something…)? I don’t think it would be good or bad, Ukraine existing or not doesn’t change much IMHO, but I’m open to hearing your arguments here.

            For Ukrainians - of course! The shit that Zelensky does to Ukrainians is exactly (and even worse than) what the west scares public Putin would do. Ukrainians on liberated territories(controlled by Putin) have way more freedoms than those on territories controlled by Zelensky’s regime, including one of the most basic freedoms - freedom of movement and not being kidnapped on a street and be sent to die…

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      Perhaps if you’re some combination of white, or straight, or cisgender, or neurotypical, or rich, then this is good news. For anyone else its dire.

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        Perhaps if you’re some combination of white, or straight, or cisgender, or neurotypical, or rich, then this is good news. For anyone else its dire.

        I am Ukrainian. I have no idea whether Slavic people are considered white or not, but I am quite sure I’d benefit from a literal war in my country ending.

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            What makes you think that ending Russia’s horrifying invasion is more likely under a trump-ruled USA?

            Because dems have been funding this war since the beginning, and would certainly continue to do so? I think Harris explicitly said that she will continue the war (or something along those lines).

            Trump said that he is going to finish it by forcing both sides to negotiate. (Yes yes I know, every politician’s main job is lying. But when one person says that they will definitely kill everybody I know continuing the job of their predecessor, and the second one at least promises that they will not, whatever credibility that promise has in your opinion - I’m choosing the second one)

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                You mean funding the arms that Ukraine is using to defend itself?

                Yes, sending weapons and money to Zelensky’s regime, which lets him to continue staying in power and terorrize Ukrainians by forbidding people to leave the country and kidnapping them from the streets to send them to the meatgrinder.

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      He will. By fucking capitulating completely, and letting Putler walk all over Europe.