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I hate this timeline
THIS is the bad place!
Looks like Trump is going to touch us all in the bad place.
Hopefully Chidi and Eleanor will save us all soon.
Even Jason figured this one out.
Forking orange shirtball
I thought we escaped the worst timeline where Trump won in 2020, but it seems we never left it. This is even worse… packed SC from the start, granted complete immunity right from the get-go…
My only solace is that people endure far worse and manage to find some level of happiness. So just gotta endure and take care of each other and our own and keep searching for daylight
If there’s any silver lining a meteor might hit us and put us out of our misery before we have to worry about wet bulb temperatures
There’s a good chance for another major pandemic, and we’re passing the global warming point of no return.
For better or worse, the US was the biggest player on the planet; now that we’ve fumbled, I think the world is done for. Maybe China could have risen to take the US’s place, but they’re stumbling toward an economic catastrophe, India has their own problems, and Russia is exposed as a bit player. The EU could have been a shining beacon, but they’re struggling with their own rise in fascism. Who else is there? A South American country? They’re barely holding on to their own economies. Canada? Too small - I mean, big country, but not very big population (1/10th of the US). And the US is big enough that when we go down, we’re going to drag a lot of the planet with us. Shit, thanks to Russia and Israel, we’ve been edging into WWIII. Trump’s senile enough to press the button, I have no doubt, and he’ll be completely surrounded by moronic Yes-men this time, with no one to try to talk sense into him. Maybe a relatively quick, fiery end would be better than a painful spiral.
We’re done as a planet. Some creatures will survive, but humans have used up all the readily available low-tech surface resources - oils, coals, metals - so anything that evolves intelligence after us won’t make it past the stone age. And then, the sun will die.
At least we have more solid evidence to the answer to Fermi’s paradox. It’d be a bigger question if we weren’t rushing toward our own extinction.
I’d thought the Great Filter would be a more formidable event than a reality TV host
Oh, man. That’d be a book. Or maybe a chapter in an alternate version of Hitchhiker’s.
It always turns out to be the equivalent of a reality show host.
Count us out. Canada has our own Trump wannabe lined up. He’s been like 20-30 points ahead and we’re no where close to election time.
Ontario the biggest province stayed home and didn’t bother to vote out the conservative premiere who has been fucking shit up. They all stayed home and handed him another majority. In a year or so we will elect our analog of Trump. Make no mistake he’s stocked the party full of MAGA and Proud Boys. I’m not being dramatic. It’s literally what it is. Within 4 years Canada will be openly aligned with Trump.
Yeah, I kinda figured when the truck convoy started out there you guys had your own problems.
And it hates us ❤️
America is a country full of stupid people.
To be fair, isn’t everywhere? Yeah I get it we have some real morons but the uneducated fucks that voted for Trump don’t define us
Sorry, we live in a democracy and the majority rules.
What point do you think you’re making?
That we are defined by them because we are a democracy, and pretending America is somehow good doesn’t change that.
I didn’t pretend America is good. It’s quite clearly a piece of shit. I won’t humor anymore snide bullshit because my point was very self evident
Yes, and I disagree with it. The uneducated fucks who voted for Trump most certainly define us.
51% of voters at least.
Whatever helps you cope.
So, I always thought it was just a mean bully thing to say, but, as a group, Americans really are dumber than a bag of rocks.
It’s not just Americans buddy. Open your eyes.
Lots of countries are stupid, but not that many have >50% of their population be that incredibly stupid. Usually it’s closer to 20-30%. America takes the gold though.
Must be nice to live in a world where you think USA is the only country to elect a moron. I’m Canadian as well. Just wait.
Yep. This cluster fuck all but guaranteed our political dick-pendulum will swing right very shortly.
It’s been swinging right since about 2012, worldwide. This is a symptom of that disease. The world has been falling more and more to right wing authoritarian fear mongering and xenophobia. Across Europe, the South Pacific, South America, Africa. Literally every continent has been swinging to the right and flirting with that doomsday trend of falling to fascist takeovers every, like, 80 years or so. And it’s back. Like some fucking cancer you just can’t beat.
It’s going to swing right all across the world. This win solidifies the U.S. as a fascist nation. All the money and resources that have gone into achieving that won’t disappear, if anything there’ll be more money available now.
This is the opening bell on a very dark age.
Look at Italy, Hungary, Slovakia, UK and Germany’s AFD. Hate is potent political fuel that’s burning hotter and hotter.
The Philippines elected the son of the most brutal dictator in their history. So im really not sure about that.
50% of voters isn’t 50% of the population. It’s closer to 20-25%
I used to be the guy who said things like: you can’t just call a whole country stupid. Bush was bad, but mistakes happen. Okay, bush was bad, what makes you think his son is better? Got it, so you learned that he’s not better. You voted a second time? Okay that’s kinda stupid if you ask me. And now? What are you even supposed to say anymore? A bag of rocks can at least be hucked at some american
“Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.”
Apparently 51% of us or more are far dumber than a bag of rocks.
We deserve to die. We really do. I wish my race was dead I wish my gender was dead. It’s over
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Because stupid people don’t listen to logic or reasoning.
Good point. The stupids aligned with the evils on this one.
They are also american. The lead brain doesn’t stop at the colour of their team
We are so fucked. The repercussions of this election are going to effect everything from SCOTUS to county courts. This is so utterly disgusting. People looked at the shit spewing from his mouth and said, “Yes, represent me.”
Fuck this country.
Fuckimg depressing that probably 1/3rd of people didn’t vote. And of the 2/3 of those that did - most of them voted Trump.
So basically a minimum of 1/3 but more likely more than 1/2 of Americans wanted Trump and the Republican Party to represent them. They voted for:
- Russian dominion over Ukraine and further aggression on its neighbours
- Chinese genocides and aggression on its neighbours
- mass deportation of vulnerable and productive members of society (he calls them immigrants)
- men controlling women’s health and avoidable deaths
- oppression of LGBTQ+
- racism
- fraud
- corruption
Why? Because they believe that Trump is going to make them richer.
Nice people.
Putting all that aside, because most people don’t delve into details, he is a damn idiot! People used to laugh and ostracize people like Trump not so long ago. Why is this suddenly okay to [long list of non-political things he said and did]?
This SCOTUS is the real issue. By the end of this term, Trump will have appointed 7 of 9 justices if Thomas and alito take the opportunity to retire.
Now watch the effects ripple through the world. Now that a guy like him can be elected, politicians around the world will take note and use the same playbook. And it will probably work.
We already felt it in France with the 2016 US election, I can’t imagine what the next decade will be like…
As a Canadian who has watched our politics slowly try to mimic America’s, I’m terrfieid. As it is our conservative provincial premier is ripping out bike lanes on city streets that have apartments being built right now that offers significantly more bike parking than car parking. Its backwards progress, a signifcant amount of the lanes were just built and now we gotta spend more money ripping them out because some fat conservative feels offended he is too unfit to cycle.
I’m fearful for my trans family and friends. Poilievre and Trump is a terrible combination. We are going to need real grassroots political organizing to protect each other and civil disobedience in large numbers to slow the fascists in their persecution and environmental damage. Of course this will be harder than ever but we need to stop waiting for electoral politics to fix things and take action together.
First it was ontario is open for business, under pierre all of Canada will be “open for business”. They would sell every ounce of Canadian fresh water to just to watch a dozen people get rich.
We are going to need real grassroots political organizing to protect each other and civil disobedience in large numbers to slow the fascists in their persecution and environmental damage. Of course this will be harder than ever but we need to stop waiting for electoral politics to fix things and take action together.
The fact that I am not the only one thinking this is encouraging. The fact that I had to scroll this far to see such a correct comment is very discouraging and worrisome.
We’re getting it in Canada soon. Or in what’s left of Canada once fascist USA has finished with us. We have the most extreme, reactionary, hateful Conservative leader ever, who openly panders to fascists, and he’s some 20 points ahead of anyone else in the polls. My worst fear was him coming to power with Trump over the border, but that looks like what’s going to happen. I do not understand people.
Germany will follow suit and we will get a conservative hardliner (and sexist boomer) with CDU’s Merz who once voted to keep rape in a marriage legal. He will pave the way for the real fascists from the AfD, who will feel a lot more emboldened now.
I see everyone pointing the finger at the wrong place. We have two corrupt privately run parties. First past the Post literally puts us here. Places like Sweden won’t have this problem because they allow their politics to represent nuance rather than two corporate parties. Meanwhile, the UK which DOES have FPTP, is watching NHS get eroded by the same brand of neoliberalism that strip-mined the entire American economy.
I fear we’ve lost the chance to move to something better than FPTP and WTA.
So as someone from Hungary, we’ve been speedrunning this shit, and the way out seems to be that you need to absolutely publicly destroy the current Democratic party, and get something, anything, that promises positive change as an alternative to fascism. I’m not saying necessarily third party, but at least an internal revolution in the DNC with the new people publicly disclaiming the current people and the status quo.
Trust me, you don’t want 15 years of Trump like we had.
Watch as Australia votes in a corrupt copper next year for prime minister. Making the same bullshit promises.
Qld just shit the bed with the state election, that was bad enough, federal will be a shitshow :(
Canada has one lined up too.
I swear to god if bolsonaro is elected again here I’m gonna blackout drink for the first time in a decade
The Supreme Court will be changed for a generation. I’ll never see a moderate court again in my lifetime. Alito and Thomas will step down and Trump will appoint 40 year old partisans to the bench. The damage he is about to inflict on our institutions the next 2 years will be irreparable.
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Honestly, we were done after Gore.
2000 was the last time period we could have done something that wouldn’t result in unimaginable pain to deal with climate change.
Too many tipping points have already been crossed.
It should be noted here for younger people that the election was illegally stolen by the Republicans in Bush versus Gore. If that one thing hadn’t happened I believe we would be looking at a very different world today.
You reap what you sow, America.
It’s going to be wild seeing the mass round-up of all the Latinos who voted for him.
you likely won’t see it, as freedom of the press will likely be one of the first things to go out the window
Oh no. You will see it. I deliver to quite a few businesses that have Latino employees on Visas waiting the required time for citizenship.
Couple of them were flabbergasted that I was voting for Harris, lol.
oh i know it’ll happen, and some people will see it. but it won’t be on any news feed, and if it is, they’ll just be labeled as “subversives” or something similar
everyone needs to take everything they thought they knew about this country and flush it down the toilet. because it’s gone.
Look how tight the labor market got when COVID took a million people out of the workforce. Trump’s talking about deporting 10 million workers and customers. You will absolutely see it, although it may be hard to connect the dots.
I know several. They think they’ll be spared for their green cards and citizenships. They don’t realize they are not Americans in the new sense of the word, and the rule of law has been suspended by the Supreme Court. They’re just further down the line. A fascist government needs “an enemy within”. They’ll keep churning through groups, redefining the enemy to hold on to power.
¿Qué esperabas? ¡Habla más alto! ¡No puedo oírte mientras te golpean en el autobús y te deportan!
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Lmao. You’re cute if you think fascists care about who is legal or not.
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You missed out the bit where your joke is funny.
All the immigrants in Springfield were legal, the response from Trump and others were “I don’t care”.
Look up the windrush scandal in the UK. They can just change the rules and if you can’t provide the required proof you’ll get deported.
They have plenty of tools to kick out legal citizens.
Check out Operation Wetback and Wetback 2. The US has already sent US citizens to Mexico for “looking too Mexican” with military operations, and towns have done it in the past 10 years all on their own.
You dumb fucks.
Personally, it kinda feels like a weight’s been lifted. Now I can let go of the last shred of pretense of this country being anything other than a fat fucking joke.
I’m with you there. I mean don’t get me wrong, I sure do feel depressed and also morbidly curious/looking forward to the upcoming schadenfreude, but yeah just accepting that America is really a racist country and it’s not going to change.
Just going to bide my time here since I’m too old to move even with a tech job and encourage my kid to go to college abroad.
I’m now aware that the US contains 71 million fascists, racists, sexist, bigots, or a combination of all 4.
I was really hoping this sentiment would take hold the first time Trump won and it would awaken people to the boiling pot mass charade we are in.
It did not.
I do not have much hope for this time around.
Every time something terrible happens, we expect that at least we got to learn from the experience.
And then…
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I’m in shock… Good luck to you, American Democracy. It was nice knowing ya.
This time there’s no saying you didn’t know. This time there’s no saying “well more voters wanted different”. You get what you get, apparently enough people fall for “look over there” types of distractions in politics.
The clock to progress has been set back at least 10 years. I know digital-age low-information fascism is on its way to Canada and I am definitely not ready.
The clock to progress has been set back at least 10 years.
And all social progress has been set back 75 years.
90 years and in Germany.
This would be a very opportune time for the fediverse to be flourishing, because i dont see any single private company being able to provide a factual flow of information without getting blocked in the US.
Any folks on reddit wondering about this?
Kind of an unsatisfying but still well deserved “TOLD YOU SO” moment… I knew those fuckers would be moronic enough to vote for this shit faced fascist again, while everyone told me to expect a Harris landslide… The fact that everyone talked about fucking grocery prices, tech research, housing prices, kids, abortions, and other (in the grand scheme of things) irrelevant bullshit that won’t matter anymore, while we’re literally about to seal the deal on our fate as a species, tells you clearly that no one wants to understand where we’re headed and what’s at stake.
But since nothing matters anymore, here’s some more predictions from yours truly:
- The US will turn into a fascist state (Tankies: AcKcHyUaLlY… ☝🏻🤡)
- Ukraine is going to get fucked by Russia, genociding them for good. The only chance here would be if NATO went in to liberate Ukraine before Trump is inaugurated, but neither Biden nor the rest of the West is going to have the balls for that.
- Moldova will follow right after.
- Taiwan will get fucked by China.
- The world will fall into an economic crisis due to the fall of TSMC.
- The rise of far right extremism & politics will continue within Europe.
- NATO Alliance will be practically gone.
- Far right countries in Europe will join Russia.
- Russia & Friends will invade and annex the Baltic States.
- The world globally failing to do anything to curb emissions will fall into a climate collapse. Causing food and water shortages, severe natural disasters, millions upon millions of climate refugees - which will get shot at the borders due to the now far right policies. All other issues above will amplify with the world state worsening and becoming more and more unstable.
TLDR: Nothing fucking matters anymore, we’re done. Thanks, you dumb fucks.
It’s going to be a world war. They wrote my whole family’s fucking epitaph with this election.
Who’s going to war with whom? To me it seems more likely that all the countries are going to embrace totality peacefully.
A liberal making measurable predictions? That’s new.
Ukraine is going to get fucked by Russia, genociding them for good.
- Genocide in Ukraine. “get fucked” isn’t very easy to measure.
Moldova will follow right after.
- Invasion of/genocide in Moldova are measurable
Taiwan will get fucked by China.
- Invasion of Taiwan. China invading China isn’t that farfetched.
The world will fall into an economic crisis due to the fall of TSMC.
- TSMC will fall or stop exporting chips.
The rise of far right extremism & politics will continue within Europe.
Come on, that’s like predicting the sun will rise.
NATO Alliance will be practically gone.
- How do we measure this? Reduction in military spending? Countries leaving NATO?
Russia & Friends will invade and annex the Baltic States.
- Invasion and annexation of the baltic states
The world globally failing to do anything to curb emissions will fall into a climate collapse. Causing food and water shortages, severe natural disasters, millions upon millions of climate refugees - which will get shot at the borders due to the now far right policies. All other issues above will amplify with the world state worsening and becoming more and more unstable.
Predicting a train that’s going off a cliff will continue to go off that cliff.
OK, we have 5, maybe 6 testable predictions. Do you want to give a timeframe so if they don’t happen, you can go back an analyze what caused you to believe these things at the time?
A liberal making measurable predictions? That’s new.
I don’t care about free markets.
How do we measure this? Reduction in military spending? Countries leaving NATO?
The US potentially leaves, and / or NATO members won’t actually uphold their promise to defend something like the Baltics, or only through token measures, moving the red line from Russia’s side further and further.
Predicting a train that’s going off a cliff will continue to go off that cliff.
Oh please. Even now you’re unsure on whether you want to call me a doomer or agree with my points. A bit earlier and it would’ve been the former.
Oh please. Even now you’re unsure on whether you want to call me a doomer or agree with my points.
The US continuing to do nothing about climate change, continuing to take a fascist approach to refugees, and Europe maintaining the conditions for the far right to continue to rise isn’t agreeable or doomer, it’s just obvious.
You’ve got a bunch of things that are so absurdly off base I can only hope you go back and critically examine how you were lead to believe them, two things that might happen if the US forces it, and then “and the sky will remain blue”.
You’ve got a bunch of things that are so absurdly off base I can only hope you go back and critically examine how you were lead to believe them
That’s absolutely hysterical to hear from a Ruscist / Tankie.
OK, so do we have any timeframes where you’ll go back and say “Huh, so Russia didn’t genocide Ukraine and then invade the baltics and Moldova, and NATO still exists, what did I misunderstand before and what can I do so I don’t get fooled again?”
Ruscist
The fall of the USSR was one of the greatest non-war-related humanitarian disasters of the 20th century by life-expectancy, infant mortality, alcoholism, really any metric except oil exports, do you really think I have any positive feelings towards the guys who orchestrated it and are wearing its corpse?
Tankie
Learning history and dialectical materialism is like having a crystal ball compared to an idealist understanding of history.
Thanks for proving my point oh so wonderfully.
(Tankies: AcKcHyUaLlY… ☝🏻🤡)
This is you.
I was born just before Reagan was elected. Growing up, I got the mostly mistaken impression that America had some of its shit sorted from Vietnam, WWII, and all that 20th century turmoil. A period of stability. Upward trending society. Reagan undid a lot of that progress.
I’ve been watching this country die, slowly, for 45 years. This has been such a weird time to be alive. Fighting over scraps we volunteered to subsist on instead of overthrowing corrupt and cruel systems. We had periods we thought we were recovering. We had hope. I feel today like there isn’t any left. Another four years of this, and it will be worse.
He struck a fatal blow. He used the tools of fear and rhetoric to do it. The weakness was there, the vulnerability. And here is the next evolution of American fear. We’re a country voluntarily destroying itself out of fear of our imminent destruction. We had everything, and we gave it away.
We heard the call of the void, and we’ve answered.
We didnt give it away, we actively cast it into an active volcano
This will open up doors for his sons to run for president. I don’t know when but Eric trump will run and so will the other snot nose brat baron. Who knows when but it’ll happen
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That’s IF there’s another election. I’m wagering with full GOP control that he might just abolish the electoral college and appoint his successor.
It would be easier to hold the veneer of democracy and make the Democratic Party a fake party with the outcome of elections predetermined, ala Russia.
I hardly know much of anything about politics other than surface level/ current event knowledge.
Do you mind explaining how that’s possible?
Well, GOP controls all branches of gov and can rubber stamp any legislation if it means they hold power. Add in the SCOTUS ruling that says the Pres is immune to basically all criminal charges.
Dying with thunderous “patriotism”. If there was a nuke that could paint the affected area in an American flag, it would be used.
I voted for Harris but I can’t help but feel democrats did this to themselves. We’ve held a decent amount of power over the last 20 years but have done shockingly little. Just slowly letting our country dry and shrivel, leaving people increasingly desperate. Times like these make people seek change, ANY CHANGE, including voting for a dictator. Status-quo politics will fail every time during times like these. Who wants to die slowly?
All authoritarian countries are born from desperation. Chinese communist party, Nazi Germany, the USSR, Iran, North Korea and soon America.
They absolutely did. Harris couldn’t even commit to keeping Lina Khan on board.
Democrats are allergic to success.
Yeah, I think a lot of dem voters have grown really apathetic. Democrat leaders hardly do anything so there’s a sense of pointlessness. It feels like their pitch is “we’re gonna fix everything by doing nothing! Trust us guys it’s gonna work this time!”. Trump says a bunch of bat shit crazy stuff that at least makes seem hes committed. I think that’s the key here.
Because Democrats wanted to not look partisan instead of actually doing something with their majority
Exactly this. And if you point it out, you’ll get all these reasons why it was impossible for Dems because of X, Y and Z, but deathly silence when it comes to “well but why were the Rs able to accomplish so much”? They’re managing to get people into office and do things while the Dems constantly flounder - which leads to even worse election results as constituents lose more faith in their ability to lead.
It’s a self fulfilling prophecy at this point. Dems are ineffectual, so they struggle to win elections, so they struggle to have the power to do anything, thus looking like continued failures and ensuring more losses down the line.
The whole party needs to be severely gutted and reborn. Or a third party needs to rise up and start speaking for the average progressive voice that’s not being heard anymore.
It leads to apathetic voters too, democrats who dont bother voting because they figure it won’t change anything.
The dems have an identity crisis, they are so aggravatingly centrist in an attempt to swing votes, that they’ve become incredibly passive in their approach. Republicans are determined to completely restructure America according to their ideology. Dems are so politically inclusive in their approach, trying to cater to “far left”, left, centrist AND slight right conservative that they are paralyzed concerning policy. The very best thing they can do is a 5% tax cut for the working class? Seriously?
I think if they went further left with candidates like Bernie, existing dems would be much more compelled to go out and vote. Right now they have zero commitment, almost none of Biden’s policies came to fruition.
Watching the count last night, I remarked to my friend that Democrats lost people in the middle—the undecided voters whose existence I struggled to understand a few months ago—because they don’t actually have any principles and convictions; if they did, they’d eventually have to address issues that neoliberal capitalists want people to ignore, so they remain ineffectual and uninspiring.
Thus, white middle-class centrists who don’t actually comprehend the threat to minority groups drifted back into their nostalgic dreams of ‘smaller government’ and ‘lower taxes’, regardless of being presented no evidence those things will be delivered. In their minds, those theoretical ideals are more exciting than another establishment Democrat with no values who does nothing to speak to their woes.
Ah yes voting for a dictator is indeed innocent and blameless.
Literally nobody said that.
Moving to the right is a failed strategy. You will never be able to accept that.
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I have never attempted to get anyone to vote third party. Not once.
Where I was wrong was with how narrow the result would he. It wasn’t even Gore v Bush levels of close unlike when Lichtman’s 13 keys prediction previously failed. Kamala lost the popular vote to a convicted felon that tried to usurp democracy and is the reason why abortion is no longer a federal right. The Republicans spent the last few weeks crapping on Haitians and Puerto Ricans, yet won some districts with large Latino populations.
This is what happens when Democrats ignore their voter base and choose a cabal of unpopular and uncharismatic candidates to carry the torch. The bar is now so low that we need James Cameron to venture out into the Mariana Trench and lift it back up again…
Harris was popular when she first announced. She then proceeded to run to the cold dead embrace of the Biden campaign.
Progressive policy is more popular than any candidate, if they focused on rent control, free healthcare, free childcare, free college and other immediate, material improvements to people’s conditions, they’d have won in a landslide. Instead they abandoned the rest of the country to pursue the <10% of republicans who weren’t in the bag for Trump.
Harris was popular when she first announced.
I don’t think she was popular when first announced, rather the fact that not-Biden was popular.
Absolutely.
Instead they abandoned the rest of the country to pursue the <10% of republicans who weren’t in the bag for Trump.
YES! I held my nose and voted for her, she turned her back on everything that looked like hope and change during her campaign. Her reaction to R looking weak was to jump to the right, somehow.
Having said that, anyone who needed to be wooed to not vote for Trump was a lost cause, but she literally turned away from every sort of policy decision that excites Democrats.
No she didn’t
California Proposition 33. Repeals ban on local rent controls.
61.6% No · 52% reporting
That’s bizarre, were people confused by the wording? Was there a media blitz by local landlords? More people are renters than landlords so obviously the majority doesn’t want rent to be higher.
There was a massive media campaign against it. Every other political ad on tv was against it .
Progressive policies are popular until billionaires spend millions of dollars convincing people that the world will end if we help poor people a bit.
That’s true, we need a strategy to deal with the media.
The same thing could be observed when even the most right-wing democrats in 2020 were saying we need police reform, and in 2022, they were all talking about a made-up crime wave, or how every election until now, reliable dem voters understood immigration is a net positive for society, but suddenly they’re talking about how Kamala is going to secure the border
I think inflation is the biggest part of why Trump won. People wrongly blamed Biden for it. I guess we’ll just have to learn some lessons again.
People learned a lesson the first time?!
Is there any chance that shit was rigged this time around? As an outsider it’s honestly just crazy to me that the difference can be so huge, almost unimaginable.
Or it goes to show how much of a bubble we have here and how skewed the reporting in other countries is. So far there is absolutely no indication that it would be rigged and frankly the disconnect of the liberal online bubbles es emblematic for the disconnect of the Dem party from the people.
This definitely
Even if it were - what are we gonna do about it? After shitting all over the place with their BS for the past four years, claiming an election is stolen has risen to “jet fuel can’t melt steel beams” levels.
There would need to be a 4k video of Trump and cronies detailing exactly how they were going to do it, and every detail would need to be easily verified, and even then I’m not sure it would get enough traction to matter.
I don’t really think so, I think the Trump campaign is as surprised as the rest of us. Their plan to steal the election hinged on them calling the results into question and contesting the whole thing through the Trump-friendly Supreme Court.
I wonder if any of them are disappointed. They were planning for a coup, but they were given power freely.
Is there any chance that shit was rigged this time around?
There’s always a chance of almost anything, but it is very slim (conspiracy theory) with no evidence to support it:
“Importantly, we have no evidence of any malicious activity that had a material impact on the security or integrity of our election infrastructure,” per the U.S. Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency (CISA) Director Jen Easterly.
Source: https://www.cisa.gov/news-events/news/statement-cisa-director-easterly-security-2024-elections
We still don’t know what their “little secret” is.
Congratu-fucking-lations
And all of the accounts that I’ve been tagging here for the past several months doing everything they fucking could to get Trump elected? Nowhere to be seen. What a shock.
Lemmy’s universe is fairly small potatoes for an election this big
Pretty sure you can just reuse your Reddit bot to spam here. If you’re already running one it’s not much effort to expand.
There’s no bots posing as real users. If there were any unlabeled bots, the developers and admins of literally every instance would love to know.
Centrists will never admit that Netanyahu played them. It can never be the fault of the center. Ever. So any dissent cannot be from people of conscience that actually dislike what the party was doing. That’s absurd! Such people cannot actually exist, as centrists’ positions are self-evidently good in all cases! It makes perfect sense that an international conspiracy tanked the election by pretending to have a problem with genocide on a fledgling platform full of angry centrists who have only one policy they’ll never abandon. That really can be the only possible conclusion.
I’m one of the people you tagged in a self-righteous snit. Just had a ban end.
Genocide is still wrong. Democrats never had any business supporting it. And I’m not leaving just because of your veiled accusations that people who don’t like genocide are Russian bots.
