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    It requires them to restrict certain categories of video, so that users cannot share content on cyberbullying, promoting eating disorders, promotion of self harm or incitement to hatred on a number of grounds.

    Wow, what a horrible, restraining overreach.

    I am shedding tears for the 1.2% engagement loss this would cost Reddit next quarter. Imagine what they have to pay devs for filtering abusive videos!

    (I hate to sound so salty, but its mind boggling that they would fight this so vehemently, instead of just… filtering abusive content? Which they already do for anything that actually costs them any profit).

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      Well…the problem is reddit’s size.

      I’m not part of reddit anymore because they filtered me out for abusive content.

      The content that was so abusive? I told a story on /r/Cleveland about the time 35 years ago I got my bike stolen.

      I wasn’t accusing any current reddit user of being the theif. But reddit bots flagged me of being abusive to other users.

      We don’t even know if that guy who stole my bike 35 years ago is even still alive, much less an active redditor on /r/Cleveland. So who am I being abusive to, when I say it’s a bad idea to let strangers ride your bike without some kind of assurance you’ll get it back?

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          This is a common tactic. I’ve seen people describe the same process many times before.

          1. Nazi says literal Nazi shit.
          2. Person gets baited into responding.
          3. Person gets ban hammer. Nazi does not.
          4. Nazi moves on to next target. Repeat from step 1.

          They usually trot this out when they see a comment or account they want to silence. That’s how the fascists do censorship on reddit.

          It’s happened to me too. Since then I’ve seen people saying the same general thing has happened to them. They must know that reddits content moderators, the “Anti-evil Operations” or whatever bullshit, is on their side. It’s the only explanation. Probably the nazis went and got jobs there. Or maybe it’s just that spez is a nazi himself. Reddit beneath the thin veneer of default subreddits has always been a very right leaning platform.

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        Fair. +1

        But also, that just sounds like they’re cheaping out on content filtering. And, you know, kinda broke the enthusiastic community moderation that made it great in the first place.

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          Yes, that’s true. This all happened like 3 weeks after they went public IPO. I didn’t buy it, because I thought reddit had a decent chance of falling on it’s ass on the free market. It’s a 10+ year old company that’s never made a profit. It’s reasonable to assume it might fail.

          3 weeks after I declined, and they went public, I suddenly get 3 temporary bans in a week, and the 3rd one was a permanent ban. All by autobots.

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            Yeah same here, the last post I made was to argue for more disabled access to European historical sites n the r/europe subreddit.

            After everything I’ve posted, THAT is what got me banned.

            After loosing my appeal, I changed all my prior posts to AI generated gibberish.

            Fuck Reddit, salt your posts so they can’t use your content to make money on search or train AI.

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              I wish I could, but I have hundreds of thousands if not millions of comments.

              Look at my time here, and now look at how many comments I have here, and know that I am running at MAYBE 5% of my posting capacity.

              Lemmy just is barren of content if you don’t care about politics, linux, or star trek.

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        Well…the problem is reddit’s size.

        They’ve never been shy about targeting certain subs and communities for shutdown when it suits their commercial interests. This has nothing to do with size and everything to do with the nature of the content itself.

        These videos are pure clickbait. They feed engagement. They build up lots of enthusiasm both among content providers and active users. And, as a consequence, they make the company money.

        But reddit bots flagged me of being abusive to other users.

        Bots will flag any post purely based on keyword searches and AI parsing of sentiment. Its got nothing to do with your actual statement. But it also depends heavily on who you are, where you post, and how often other users flag you. Very possibly you simply got “Report” flagged a bunch of times by other users for some reason and that - plus a naive parsing - was all the AI bot needed to know.

        But I’ll also bet the post wasn’t getting thousands of unique interactions and external visits. If you’d been a power-poster who was posting a face-cam rant rather than a text blob, I suspect you’d have been fine.

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        same with me and /r/Toronto got banned for stating a long dead prime minister was horrible to indigenous people. they used the excuse that I was submitting too many articles about crimes in the city as that subreddit’s mods automatically remove any content about crime or pro Palestinian content.

        Post god knows how many photos of the CN tower, the fucking sun setting or snow…hey that’s great! anything that’s news worthy and potentially paints the city in a bad light? nope, censored. It’s so bad that i’m convinced the mods there are being paid under the table by the City.

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          In 3 different unrelated subs, and all said to be performed as an automated action?

          Also of note, I got permabanned on May 7th.

          May 4th I joined Mastadon. Using the same email as my reddit email.

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        I’m gonna have to ask you to stop abusing whatever random reddit mod flagged you back then in case they might be here. Or else.

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      They would have to hire a shitload of people to police it all along with the rest of the questionable shit on there, like jailbait or whatever other shit they turned a blind eye to until it showed up on the news

      Not saying it’s right but from a business standpoint it makes sense

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        Don’t they flag stuff automatically?

        Not sure what they’re using on the backend, but open source LLMs that take image inputs are good now. Like, they can read garbled text from a meme and interpret it with context, easily. And this is apparently a field thats been refined over years due to the legal need for CSAM detection anyway.

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          They do, but they’d still need someone to go through the flagging and check. Reddit gets away with it as it is like Facebook groups do, by offloading the moderation to users, with the admins only being roped in for ostensibly big things like ban evasion/site wide bans, or lately, if the moderators don’t toe the company line exactly.

          I doubt that they would use an LLM for that. That’s very expensive and slow, especially for the volume of images that they would need to process. Existing CSAM detectors aren’t as expensive, and are faster. They basically compute a hash for the image, and compare it to known hashes for CSAM.

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            Small LLMs are quite fast these days, even the multimodal ones. Same with small models explicitly used to filter diffusion output.

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      I hate to sound so salty, but its mind boggling that they would fight this so vehemently, instead of just… filtering abusive content?

      I guess it’s just enshittification. Profits are their first priority.

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    Why does anyone still use reddit? Why does anyone still use Twitter? Why does anyone still use Instagram?

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      Reddit has an absolutely massive wealth of community knowledge. If you want to find a community for $thing or gain obscure knowledge on $thing, that’s where you go (assuming there isn’t an old forum post from before Reddit killed forums).

      Twitter is where a lot of people still are. If you’re the kind of person to care what a particular person says, that’s where you probably want to be.

      Instagram is used by young people who have friends on Instagram.

      It isn’t a great system, but it is the system that we have today. This is why legislation compelling Meta/Twitter/whothefuckever to act in an ethical manner is important. Social media is to some extent a natural oligopoly, and unless we get extremely, extremely lucky, the fediverse will always be a niche community.

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      Find me easier to access niche communities and I’ll be gone from reddit. I hoped Lemmy would blow up. Instead, reddit just shrank.

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        Find me easier to access niche communities

        Have fun trying to discuss anything that isn’t about linux, american politics or reddit/amazon/elon bad!!. Lemmy is just a decentralized circle jerk.

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          Well i guess we should have seen it coming right. The people pissed enough with Reddit to leave were most likely to be technology proficient users and bourgeois hating leftists

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              I do not hate the concept of lemmy and the fediverse, But I’m also not going to pretend that lemmy at its current state isn’t a circle jerk. Lemmy needs more diverse groups of people. Like GrammerPolice said above, most people who migrated from reddit were people with very strong stance on their opinions. And there’s intense hostility to anything that is even slightly against what they believe in.

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                Lemmy has in many ways been a successful copy of reddit; lemmy has many of the same faults as reddit.

                I do feel like part of questioning process is what can possibly be adjusted to reduce some of the problems? Otherwise it just feels like generic poopooing like one might see on reddit.

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                This is true, but at the same time, your posts on let me don’t get buried as easily. And the karma hear truly doesn’t matter.

                It’s mildly frustrating that you can’t post anything that’s even remotely close to positive about any use of AI, or any positive information whatsoever about Tesla over SpaceX without being said that you’re sucking musks cock. But in those respects the only thing different between Lemmy and Reddit is the number of people that will come to your defense, and of course in Reddit if no one comes to your defense your post is basically buried.

                You’re all so far less likely to have a reasonable post here removed. Yes it still happens, yes a few of the communities are still moderated by biased enough individuals to delete your content but it’s much less prevalent than it was at reddit.

                That said, yeah if you are mostly conservative you are going to have a very bad time trying to soapbox here

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                  ‘karma’ has the same use here just as in reddit imo. it buries your post/comment but it is not as amplified as on reddit only because of the rate of new content made in lemmy. And when the mods get tired of modding in the future they would just bot it based on … votes.

                  iirc someone already made a moderation bot for that.

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        Yeah I really wish people in niche communities would just migrate over. I honestly don’t understand why they haven’t yet.

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          Because Reddit unites everyone with the same interest in a single or at worst few subreddits. Lemmy has over 9000 instances with a bunch of communities each, half of which are defederating the other half without their users even knowing. If we thought reddit search was bad, lemmy search is non-existent. I really wanted lemmy to work, but even for someone with decent knowledge about tech it was a nightmare to figure this out. The main advantage of fediverse which is the decentralization turned out to be its main disadvantage with so much fragmentation and censorship in the form of defederation…

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              stealt

              Yes, people were hating on shadow banning, but this is ever worse as it will happen to you even if you did nothing wrong. All you had to do is choose the wrong instance, which everyone said it didn’t matter what you picked at the beginning.

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      This is basically asking why anyone would live in or near a city like Los Angeles or New York City when Minot exists and has everything you could possibly need.

      If you had to look up where Minot even is, you’ve proven my point.

      Say what you will about whether living near the proverbial big city is worth it or not. But it cannot be denied, there is a world of experiences on offer at larger platforms that a smaller platform simply cannot provide. Network effect can be a cruel mistress.

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      A lot of stuff ONLY has viable Q&A discussion there…

      As much as I love the idea of Lemmy, try finding active communities here for: MAME or any other videogame emulation… Plex… The breed of your family dog/cat… Most any sort of non-Fedi-focused brand/podcast/personality…

      Yes, I can create a new community. Then I just sit in it by myself, and occasionally deal with spam.

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        Discoverability is poor on Lemmy and isn’t helped by the low user count.

        Would be nice to revisit an old idea from Newsgroups, where you could sub to gaming and see everything, or gaming.playstation.ps5 or gaming.emulation.mame or whatever for sub-communities.

        But then the decentralised nature works against it there as well.

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      You don’t know why someone would use a social link aggregator… and you’re lamenting about this on a social link aggregator.

      Why are you here?

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        Exactly. Really incomprehensible why are some people amazed at some things. We’re all different, with different motives, different needs, different levels of coziness and different views on privacy etc.

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        Like we had a secret (or not so secret) desire for it to crumble so we can crack a beer and say good riddance. 😁

        But in the end, business mostly as usual.

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        It’s still active – save the communities that got kneecapped by mods during the revolt (and sadly, most of those are now Discord-based rather than having any appreciable activity here).

        The activity there now is a lot… dumber. Like much of the internet, the ratio of real people to braindead bots on Reddit is a lot different than a few years ago.

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      For Twitter it really doesn’t make sense because it has become undebatably a “Nazi bar”, metaphorically since they aren’t an actual bar, but they still support and tolerate Nazis (and other manners of horrible people). Some people insist that it isn’t and there are “normal level headed people there” but that doesn’t matter, it’s still a Nazi bar, because it accepts and tolerates Nazis. How can someone expect to not be judged for going to and hanging out in a place like that?

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      As someone who only recently joined Lemmy (as a result of getting booted from Reddit) it ultimately comes down to it being bigger.

      You can talk regularly about series have been over for a decade. Just about any niche interest has a vibrant community. The reality is the average person doesn’t care about it selling our data, putting a fingerprint on our gear one step above spyware, it being overrun with bots, every level of administration being dominated by megalomaniacs. If you just want to look through some stuff you’re interested in while you’re bored, it serves a purpose that lemmy unfortunately can’t at it’s size.

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      Most people don’t care. I’m sick of hearing about Reddit, I left because I do care but I don’t want to keep hearing about my ex, you know!

      We are not important, we are the minority that maybe cares about these things and that’s ok, we should live our lives the way we want to and allow others to do the same.

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        Agreed. Yes, it’s important to know what’s going on in the “big” world - but I wish all of us more interested in Lemmy, the small web, and so on spent more time and energy on creating, maintaining, and enjoying what we can build/use and less lamenting, bashing, or wishing for what we want to leave behind.

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          Exactly! It reeks of superiority; I prefer to just live my life and if people are curious about the decisions I make then I’ll try and enlighten people, but if they don’t care still then that’s ok. We can’t force people to be like us and wouldn’t want too either, because I wouldn’t want people to try and force me to go back to Reddit for instance.

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            𝕴𝖙 𝖎𝖘 𝖙𝖎𝖒𝖊 𝖋𝖔𝖗 𝖞𝖔𝖚 𝖙𝖔 𝖗𝖊𝖙𝖚𝖗𝖓 𝖙𝖔 𝖗𝖊𝖉𝖉𝖎𝖙!

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      Why does anyone still use Reddit?

      Some niche communities and content to repost on Lemmy

      Why does anyone still use Instagram?

      Friends and memes to repost on Lemmy

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      Because people dream of making it big, being viral, being an influencer with a ton of followers and money. That one second of fame is still tantalising to a lot of people.

      Also a lot of these apps (not reddit, but the others like Facebook) are installed on phones by default. To many, they are just what the internet is.

      Nana and grandad used to do email. Now it’s just racist rainbowflag-phobic reposting on Facebook and wondering why their grandkids that haven’t looked at FB in a decade don’t contact them.

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        first Tumblr banned porn, then Reddit requires sign-in for 18+ content (I know old UI bypasses that), and now Twitter has become a walled garden as well. Bad times for gooners

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      Why does anyone still use chrome!

      I get twitter and reddit because of the uniqueness of the platforms but chrome is just a web browser! Any other program can be used in its stead to view the same exact websites yet people continue to use it even being stubborn about it!

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        Centralized and owned by meta. Harvesting your data constantly. Ads upon ads that track you. Proprietary.

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      i seen a few people still use it my friend,some random people in a server,etc

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    The moved their jurisdiction to the Netherlands? In the EU? Wow. Now the GDPR can be used to really kick their butts.

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      GDPR applies regardless of where headquarters are located

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      Aren’t there tax benefits to incorporating in Ireland? Conventional thought would suggest that the tax/regulatory environment in the Netherlands would be less attractive? Maybe that’s wrong… I wonder what their reasons for moving were. Is that where Steve Huffman wants to build his new doomsday bunker? Gotta spread out just in case. Maybe connect it to the one in CA with a massive underwater tunnel lol clown

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    Dear Netherlands,

    The pigboy is your problem now. Sorry not sorry.

    Sincerely,

    Everyone else

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      You can almost hear the EU lawyers cracking their knuckles and quietly saying: “about that user data protection.”

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        Yeah, moving to the EU to escape regulation doesn’t seem like a smart move.

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          Nobody except himself has ever accused Steve Huffman of being smart.

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    Idea: Governments maintain a list of entities that are evading the law like that, and then doesn’t prosecute people who are accused of crimes against such entities. The idea being that if you place yourself outside of the law’s reach, you also place yourself outside of the law’s protection.

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    I‘m confused. Reddit claims it doesn’t host videos, just links to them but it absolutely does host videos.

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      All their media is hosted under the redditstatic domain, and as far as I can tell, that’s hosted on AWS. (There’s actually also a redditmedia domain, which they may also use, but that’s also on AWS).

      That probably means that Reddit can get away with saying they don’t host any of it. They merely point their web addresses at the third party host.

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        But they provide the methods of uploading, deleting and viewing the contents of that storage to their end users.
        So, it’s Reddits storage.

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        They are responsible for that AWS account. No court in its right mind would think otherwise.

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    the utility of the nation/state has been broken by 21st century meta-national billionaires

    unions are useful but they no longer cover the distance between labor and capital

    we need a new group of collective shit to aspire to because humans gonna human

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    Sounds like another case of US tech companies fucking with the web of EU regulations to nobody’s benefit but their own.

    It’s no wonder they moved to another tax haven. Sorry, sorry. The EU doesn’t have tax havens according to their own rules. Low tax threshold geographic jurisdictions.

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    Of course it has. It says everything you need to know

    Maybe they should be investigated for all the child porn they used to host and the TD contributions to the riots

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      To this day, I still can’t believe how long Reddit defended underage porn subreddits. Literally do nothing and say “free speech” . Then suddenly a news article happens and then they finally take action.

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        It’s almost like spez cares more about money than any kind of moral grandstanding, which of course is super weird for a capitalist

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    Sounds like it’ll need blocked in Ireland then

    Play stupid games, win stupid prizes

    Fuck Spez

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      What’s the joke about? Does Ireland block everything that comes from the Netherlands?

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        It’s more a “If a company doesn’t comply with a coutry’s regulations then it can’t operate in that country” thing and not a joke.

        For example Twitter when it was blocked in Brazil for a little while because they didn’t want to pay a fine for not complying with some of their regulations.

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          For example Twitter when it was blocked in Brazil for a little while because they didn’t want to pay a fine for not complying with some of their regulations.

          Though the bigger part of that was that their representative quit, and by Brazilian law, companies that operate in Brazil must have a representative in the country.

          Twitter tried to sidestep that by not paying the fine, and also not having a representative, so the fine couldn’t be applied that way. In response, the judge presiding over the cause required Twitter be blocked.