This is why driverless cars are a bad idea, they assume that everything will work as intended and everyone will play by the rules.
You need a human to make a snap decision in cases like these.
I hope these men are arrested for sexual solicitation via coercion (could be tried as attempted rape in the right state), disrupting traffic, sexual harassment, public disturbance. Fuck em, or better yet, don’t fuck em, they’re unfuck worthy.
What were these morons thinking? I’m sex positive as hell, I’m all for bringing back the free love of the 70’s and the LSD of the 60’s, but not like this, never anything like this… Hypothetically bro say you do get her number this way?
The fuck happens next?
“Hey remember me, I’m the dipshit who pressured you into giving me this number by trapping you in your car via exploitation of its safety features? So I’ll pick you up at 7 for a romantic candlelit dinner and afterwards we could go see a movi…” click “Hello? Damn, friendzoned again.”
There’s enough footage etc I guess for them to be identified and arrested, wonder if that’s happening
Depending on where this happened this could be tried as sexual assault.
Not something you want on your criminal record.
And they probably got upset when women chose the bear.
I don’t know why you’re getting downtown, I had the same thought
Let’s not call them “men” please, they lost their right to be counted amongst men with this behavior.
JFC, they don’t cease to be men because they’re assholes. Stop pretending that ‘men’ can’t do anything wrong. There is no man card and men are a diverse group of people.
I never said men can’t do anything wrong.
What I meant was “boys” will treat women like this. “men” won’t. It’s just a term. Not to be interpreted literally. And also, this isn’t to assume men are exempt from making mistakes, we’re all human and we’re all flawed, but it doesn’t take a rocket surgeon to know that treating ANYONE like this isn’t something that is defined as “a mistake.”
No, these are men, and the men are not alright…
Nope they’re boys with pubes. Pubes don’t make you a man, strength of character does.
I think you missed the point
I can see criminals easily exploiting this default behavior to stop the car and steal from those inside.
Where’s a Johnny cab when you need it, it knows how to deal with criminals.
Thank God for cars. Imagine riding public transport and getting felt up/robbed/harassed. Glad we can all agree on this Lemmy 👍
Obviously this is the worst of both worlds, but it’s a weird flex to support cars.
Where’s a Johnny cab when you need it
Or a Delamain.
Or MagnaVolt.
I doubt choosing to stick up a vehicle covered in cameras with someone who likely isn’t even carrying cash is anyone’s idea of a good payoff.
idk i think plenty of people carry expensive stuff on them
what a thief could actually get for them is another matter but clearly that doesnt stop them from trying
The doors aren’t going to open from the outside, and authorities would be alerted immediately. Breaking the glass on a car window or holding people up at gun point… Yeah. Easier in the parking lot of any gas station, grocery store, neighborhood, Walmart, Mall, Jewelry store, movie theater. Wherever really. The people can get out of the car in an emergency just like any other car. Running someone down with a car is not the answer to many situations.
Did the lady have 5 kids to feed?
She did have 3 boobs.
Pretty simple problem to solve, get a conceal carry permit.
Would you rather be reading a story about how this woman was arrested for murder? Just because these men were being pigs doesn’t mean you get to kill them…
When the solution is “Vigilantism” you know the situation is fucked.
That was in response to being robbed.
I think the phrase you’re looking for is “defending yourself”.
I don’t live in a 3rd world country, so I guess I just don’t understand the concept of needing to arm myself before leaving my house because I’m likely to need a deadly weapon while I go about my business.
What country do you live in? I’m curious which one has no theft or violent crime.
Not OP check out my username for an idea of where I live. Besides a bit of gang on gang action in our capital, violent crimes are extremely rare. It’s maybe once a year that police have to shoot at a person, and even then police officers will assess the situation and if possible not go for center mass.
Note how I left out theft. That’s because you can’t directly use violence to protect property.
Note how I left out theft. That’s because you can’t directly use violence to protect property.
I remember hearing this when I lived in the UK for a few years and I was blown away. What are you expected to do if being robbed? Let it happen?
There’s a difference between “violent crime exists” and “violent crime is so prevalent that regular citizens need to carry around an implement designed to kill people quickly while they go about their daily lives.”
I’ve never been in a serious vehicle accident.
Still wear my seat belt though.
I don’t live in a 3rd world country
lol the US has the highest death rate from gun violence - it’s literally the #1 killer of children.
which is not to assert that adding more firearms will help the situation, but it’s got fuckall to do with living in a first world country or third world country.
In these kinds of discussions you can assume the third world country jab was a reference to the US.
As an aside: part of the definition of a First World Country includes being a “stable democracy”.
If a poll was done of American citizens asking them “do you think fraud will play a part in the upcoming election?” I would be shocked if less than 80% said yes. That doesn’t sound like a stable democracy to me.
No, its self defense.
In civilized countries “self defense” means you might have to punch someone. “You should have an easy way to kill someone on you at all times, and keep it hidden so they don’t know” is not self defense, but clear signs of a dystopia.
Especially when it causes law enforcement to become so paranoid of the citizens they’re ostensibly meant to protect, that a mere hailstone landing on the car roof immediately causes them to believe they’re being fired upon.
That just sounds like a terrible time for everyone involved.
At that point, you’re basically turning the constabulary into soldiers.
In civilized countries “self defense” means you might have to punch someone.
My back is fucked and have an 80% rating from the VA. I’m not getting into fist fights anymore.
If someone gets blown away stealing shit, the world has become a better place, frankly.
“Property is more valuable than human lives.”
A statement from a person in a developed country apparently…“The strong should be allowed to do whatever they want to the weak” A statement from a person in a developed country apparently…
ah, the American solution
in a country that has more firearms than people, certainly adding MORE firearms will resolve these issues!
lemmy is full of sissy pacifists but i upvoted you.
And this is why we have a term called “toxic masculinity”.
I once had someone get in my face and say, “Are you man enough to fight me?” I responded with “I’m man enough to find non-violent solutions to my problems.” Why should someone be proud of the problem-resolution method of choice for 3-year-olds?
there aren’t always non-violent solutions. i accept that reality. it’s nothing to be proud of, but i would be ashamed if i couldn’t deal with that truth.
You’re correct, there aren’t always non-violent solutions, but those are often due to people who insist on engaging in violence, whether it be invading another country or taking offense at someone pulling into their driveway.
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How many people have you shot?
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The whole article is just a description of these tweets: https://nitter.privacydev.net/Amina_io/status/1840759345354809414
I love how 404 Media call out other bad practices on the web, but at the end of the day they still want you to sign up and give them your metadata.
How are they getting my metadata?
The fedora tipping is too funny, seeing it from outside the situation, but she certainly was very scared because it’s such a bizarre event.
Fedora tipping doesn’t seem particularly aggressive.
Okay, this really seems more like a case of sexual harassment, rather than harassment of Waymo customers, which was my first suspicion. Had it been the latter as part of a politically motivated action against the company I might have had a lot more sympathy, but this is disgusting…
You saw the fedora and thought it was anything but sexual harassment? LMAO
I saw “driverless waymo” in the title.
Also: Prejudice against people wearing fedoras is still prejudice and thus not really a great thing to have. One of my best friends also likes to wear a hat at times (not sure if it counts as a fedora, I know very little about heads) and is one of the sweetest people I know.
I hate the reputation fedoras have because I happen to look damn good in a fedora.
Wear one then. Fuck all the haters.
You’re right. These days, I dress too sloppily for one, but back when I didn’t, I was self-conscious about it. I probably wouldn’t be now, but that’s also the reason I don’t really care that I wear T-shirts all the time.
I still hate it that it has that reputation.
Some guys were annoying/sexist to her while she participated in a public menace and I guess this is supposed to mean something to me beyond “stay away from California”
Riding in a self-driving car isn’t illegal in California.
Street Harassment is: https://stopstreetharassment.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/SSH-KYR-California.pdf
Says a lot about you that you think riding in a Waymo means you’re fair game for sexual harasment. You’re just looking for excuses for it, huh?
California is awesome.
The victim’s statement here ends with an oddly volunteered tangent and specific praise of driverless vehicles, before it finally takes an eerie turn in the last sentence…
"…With that said, I think the Human Factor in this issue is going to be a lot harder to solve than anything else.” …FREEZE CITIZEN!
I do hope she’s okay, and those two folks seem to be clowns, but this thing also all reads as likely guerilla marketing for Waymo - who the article informs me, in a very capitalism-friendly turn of events, that they now have their service open to the public in 3 cities, cars have a safety feature that checked in with her multiple times and they “rewarded” her with an extra ride. It’s a light enough “crime”, with a very engineered feeling and enough to feel “real” while providing ready fodder for morning radio talk shows, Jimmy Fallon and good morning America talking heads to drone on about this morning across America as time filler that quietly advertises waymo “saving” a person from the scary outside world.
Note: Also, was very funny that throughout drafting my comment here “waymo” was constantly being autocorrected to “say no” :)
Just last week I had to run over some mother fuckers
It do be like that sometimes
In the past, autonomous vehicle development dwelled on the ethical hypothetical situations like “do you hit an old lady crossing the road in order to avoid crashing into a schoolbus full of children?”, but what about safety hypotheticals? Like, if you were actually driving your vehicle, there are moments when it’s in your best interest to not be at a stop, such as when people are physically surrounding your car and potentially mean to cause you harm, which is extremely common in America. When does the driverless car get you out of a tight spot and run over some carjackers if need be?
Edit: To respond to everyone saying I’m full of shit, and that carjackings aren’t common, there were more than 500 carjackings in NYC alone in 2021. New Orleans had 281 in 2021. 800 carjackings in Philly in 2021. 1800 carjackings in Chicago in 2021. Tell me, is that not enough carjackings to warrant asking my question?
How the fuck do you figure that’s “extremely common”? You need to spend less time on the Internet my dude …
I’ve provided data for you in my original comment.
It’s definitely not extremely common.
You guys are talking past one another. It’s extremely common at a population level insofar as its happening literally many times per day at the population level. It is not extremely likely at the individual level because the vehicle miles driven per carjacking is massive with most people never getting car jacked.
I’ve provided data for you in my original comment.
Extremely common? Really?
Yes. I’ve provided data for you in my original comment.
500 carjackings in NYC in a year? Oh the humanity.
There’s literally a million cars on the road on any given day just in lower Manhattan.
Get a sense of scale.
10k pedestrians get hit by cars and trucks in NYC every year and you’re worried about the health and safety of 500 carjackers (probably fewer, given potential for repeat offenders). What in the actual fuck?
I suppose they’re extremely common in comparison to other countries. I’ve never heard of them happening in mine since the 90s when we actually had violent crime.
We still have car theft, it’s just that they get stolen while parked.
Extremely common in absolute terms? Hell nah, there are a lot of unpleasant things more likely to happen to you in the US than carjackings.
The only thing I’d be curious about with these numbers is car jackings vs the amount of cars/drivers on the road. That would give a percentage and let us know how common it is.
And how many of the carjackings were high-value targets like delivery vans, or in sketchy high-crime parts of the city.
If an AI car ever has to make a decision on who dies, the answer should always be “whoever agreed to the terms and conditions before they got in the vehicle”.
And there it is
Surely you can just take over? You can’t expect the car to run people over for you lol
The Waymo car wouldn’t let the woman take over.
Yeah I misread before I commented, I didn’t know robot taxis were a thing, Jesus…
Give it a couple of years they’ll legalise running down pedestrians for self drive cars. Can’t have these jackalopes affecting the bottom line
This made me wonder though…the car obviously has cameras on the outside, and there’s also a way to communicate with the support team from inside…so is it a stretch to think that these cars could be auto-recording everything that’s happening inside the car?
Should we - as riders - have any expectation of privacy in a car with no driver?
You should never expect privacy in someone else’s car.
No, but then the same is true of taxis and Ubers. They all have some kind of recording equipment in them for ensuring safety and cover in case someone claims something.
we need more men willing to stand up for women.
