• Todd Bonzalez@lemm.ee
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      12 hours ago

      Would you rather be reading a story about how this woman was arrested for murder? Just because these men were being pigs doesn’t mean you get to kill them…

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        16 hours ago

        That was in response to being robbed.

        I think the phrase you’re looking for is “defending yourself”.

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          I don’t live in a 3rd world country, so I guess I just don’t understand the concept of needing to arm myself before leaving my house because I’m likely to need a deadly weapon while I go about my business.

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            I don’t live in a 3rd world country

            lol the US has the highest death rate from gun violence - it’s literally the #1 killer of children.

            which is not to assert that adding more firearms will help the situation, but it’s got fuckall to do with living in a first world country or third world country.

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              In these kinds of discussions you can assume the third world country jab was a reference to the US.

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              As an aside: part of the definition of a First World Country includes being a “stable democracy”.

              If a poll was done of American citizens asking them “do you think fraud will play a part in the upcoming election?” I would be shocked if less than 80% said yes. That doesn’t sound like a stable democracy to me.

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            What country do you live in? I’m curious which one has no theft or violent crime.

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              Not OP check out my username for an idea of where I live. Besides a bit of gang on gang action in our capital, violent crimes are extremely rare. It’s maybe once a year that police have to shoot at a person, and even then police officers will assess the situation and if possible not go for center mass.

              Note how I left out theft. That’s because you can’t directly use violence to protect property.

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                14 hours ago

                Note how I left out theft. That’s because you can’t directly use violence to protect property.

                I remember hearing this when I lived in the UK for a few years and I was blown away. What are you expected to do if being robbed? Let it happen?

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                  You do what the police do, and provide a proportionate response.

                  A gun is only to be used if you are in imminent danger of your life. A robbery is arguably not that, unless they’re trying to steal your organs or prostheses.

                  There’s a reason your average supermarket security guard doesn’t immediately whip out the Mini-Nuke the moment they see a shoplifter.

                  There’s also something to be said about the place you’re living in, where you’re to be terrified of stabbists and robberers the moment you step out-of-doors. Do you live in a hive of scum and villainy?

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                    14 hours ago

                    Yeah, not here.

                    I’ve had shit stolen. The police “handled it” to an extent but we will never get back priceless family heirlooms given to us from my wife’s side of the family. Fuck thieves.

                • CileTheSane@lemmy.ca
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                  14 hours ago

                  Call the police. Are you in physical danger? If not why are you putting yourself in physical danger?

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                    14 hours ago

                    I don’t think I understand your question.

                    What scenario are you imagining with these questions?

            • CileTheSane@lemmy.ca
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              There’s a difference between “violent crime exists” and “violent crime is so prevalent that regular citizens need to carry around an implement designed to kill people quickly while they go about their daily lives.”

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                  13 hours ago

                  “Wearing a seatbelt is the same as walking around with a device that can near instantly kill people.” Is something said by someone living in a dystopia.

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                    13 hours ago

                    It was a preparedness analogy which seems to have gone over your head.

                    Is something said by someone living in a dystopia.

                    You’ve had a variation on this in just about every response. It’s getting very old. We get it, US bad.

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          In civilized countries “self defense” means you might have to punch someone. “You should have an easy way to kill someone on you at all times, and keep it hidden so they don’t know” is not self defense, but clear signs of a dystopia.

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            Especially when it causes law enforcement to become so paranoid of the citizens they’re ostensibly meant to protect, that a mere hailstone landing on the car roof immediately causes them to believe they’re being fired upon.

            That just sounds like a terrible time for everyone involved.

            At that point, you’re basically turning the constabulary into soldiers.

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            In civilized countries “self defense” means you might have to punch someone.

            My back is fucked and have an 80% rating from the VA. I’m not getting into fist fights anymore.

            If someone gets blown away stealing shit, the world has become a better place, frankly.

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              13 hours ago

              “Property is more valuable than human lives.”
              A statement from a person in a developed country apparently…

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                “The strong should be allowed to do whatever they want to the weak” A statement from a person in a developed country apparently…

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                  You’re talking about things like it’s obvious they are just important as lives. Fucking disgusting

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                    You’re expecting me to value people who steal shit.

                    And before this goes in a disingenuous direction, no, I don’t mean stealing bread from a damn grocery store.

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                    12 hours ago

                    And without one, the stronger will always prevail over the weak. I can’t believe I need to spell this out.

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                    Uh, no. There are quite a lot of laws governing when deadly force is allowed which vary by country and state. I’m quite sure none of them allow it when someone “bothers you”.