• CileTheSane@lemmy.ca
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    19
    ·
    1 month ago

    “Property is more valuable than human lives.”
    A statement from a person in a developed country apparently…

    • capital@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      3
      ·
      1 month ago

      “The strong should be allowed to do whatever they want to the weak” A statement from a person in a developed country apparently…

        • capital@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          2
          ·
          1 month ago

          And without one, the stronger will always prevail over the weak. I can’t believe I need to spell this out.

            • capital@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              2
              ·
              1 month ago

              Me.

              And my wife, and daughter. People that, without the use of arms, will always be the weaker given it’s usually men who commit these crimes.

              You’re missing the point - this tool takes physical strength out of the equation for self defense purposes and you’re acting like it’s a bad thing.

              • Flying Squid@lemmy.world
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                9
                ·
                1 month ago

                Ah, so what you mean is that it’s okay for the strong to take advantage of the weak when you’re the strong one.

                • capital@lemmy.world
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  arrow-up
                  3
                  ·
                  1 month ago

                  Please define “take advantage of” in your comment. The entirety of my comments here have been in a self defense context. I don’t see how my owning and carrying a gun means I’m “taking advantage of” anyone.

                  • Flying Squid@lemmy.world
                    link
                    fedilink
                    English
                    arrow-up
                    5
                    ·
                    1 month ago

                    Interesting how you want me to define terms but haven’t defined them yourself.

                    You haven’t defined “the strong” or “the weak” or what you mean by “self-defense.”

                    Maybe start defining your terms first before you demand it of others.

      • pooperNickel@lemm.ee
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        6
        ·
        1 month ago

        You’re talking about things like it’s obvious they are just important as lives. Fucking disgusting

        • capital@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          1
          ·
          edit-2
          1 month ago

          You’re expecting me to value people who steal shit.

          And before this goes in a disingenuous direction, no, I don’t mean stealing bread from a damn grocery store.

        • capital@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          2
          ·
          1 month ago

          Uh, no. There are quite a lot of laws governing when deadly force is allowed which vary by country and state. I’m quite sure none of them allow it when someone “bothers you”.

          • CileTheSane@lemmy.ca
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            3
            ·
            1 month ago

            There’s also laws governing what constitutes theft. Your entire argument about needing a gun is dependent on people not following the law.

            • capital@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              2
              ·
              1 month ago

              Yeah the people stealing shit are… different people and not me?

              What is your point?

                • capital@lemmy.world
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  arrow-up
                  2
                  ·
                  1 month ago

                  I mean, I don’t require your trust.

                  But consider the consequences if I misuse my gun. They’re quite a lot more serious than those caught stealing.

                  • CileTheSane@lemmy.ca
                    link
                    fedilink
                    English
                    arrow-up
                    3
                    ·
                    1 month ago

                    But consider the consequences if I misuse my gun. They’re quite a lot more serious than those caught stealing.

                    I agree with you completely.