Uriel238 [all pronouns]

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  • I suggest we also collectively recall CIA can be both, given it’s a pretty big institution. It’s also been an evil fucker, presuming commercial interests based in the US count as US interests, even when those companies have become large multi-national corporations who actively avoid paying taxes.

    I agree that it’s gauche that surveillance companies will pass sufficiently saucy private pictures to their colleagues for a gander (a tradition since WWII that is still carried on in NSA deep-packet scans of internet communications. (That includes sext exchanges between teenage lovers.) Playing around with LSD (on each other, as a practical joke) sounds like it falls more into this category, which, I’ll concede, is unprofessional especially for a department that has to sometimes engage in unethical action for sake of US national security, but that’s different than incompetent

    If I was going to be critical of them, it would be their propensity for assassinations (botched ones on occasion) when there were alternatives, abandoning liberation forces they had sworn to support and supply and putting down developing democratic regimes in favor of US-allied dictators. Or even that they fueled their budget by supporting and participating in major drug trafficking syndicates, but these things are not incompetent, they’re immoral.

    CIA’s strength (in the 20th century, at least, was SIGINT, including codebreaking, and analysis (that is, developing accurate dossiers based on limited or scattered data), and CIA did a whole lot more of that than they did killing VIPs and supporting revolutionary force.

    As a young adult, I realized being a field operative was dangerous, and besides I was better at research and analysis, which I wasn’t imagining at all as a kid. Then by the time I understood the more gruesome parts of CIA history, George W. Bush was in office and they were torturing folks.


  • My dad, once a brilliant rocket scientist is now a full-on MAGA disciple, and in the past few years (when I was still arguing politics with him) he started submitting FOX News talking points as if they were his own.

    I’m on suicide watch this year.

    Okay, I should clarify, so as not to scare:

    spoiler

    Some really bad life-altering shit happened in November 2024, and I wasn’t prepared for it. This includes the 2024 General Election, in which 77 million people voted for the let’s-do-a-holocaust guy, who campaigned on nothing less than a coup d’etat and a massive purge of undesirables. So far, he’s following through.

    Human beings are expendable, according to the people that are held up by society as inspirational. The mere existence of CECOT tells me that I was just plumb born to the wrong species.

    The chart below (courtesy of the CDC) shows where I am. It’s not actually that uncommon right now for people in the United States to gravely consider whether it’s worth suffering existence, and wondering if they’re needed enough to justify their resource footprint.

    My suicidal ideation is continuous (at least once every hour, which is off the charts for most suicide treatment programs) but they’re passive. It’d be better if I never existed; It’d be convenient if I slipped down the stairs, or if one of the countless motorists in Sacramento could do me the service of running a red at freeway speeds. I have a number scale regarding my suicidality. Since 2015, it’s averaged 3 or 4, and this year it’s at 6-7. On medications / coming down from medications, it has gotten up to 9.5

    There are still some persons (including my cat and my dog) who need me, but at the point I can no longer care for them (say, if they get killed by ICE before a SWAT raid, or if my benefits are cut) then it’s high time to look for the emergency exits and escape the burning building.

    I’m still open for other causes to chase or reasons to live, but ten months later, I’m still mad enough for tea 🐰🎩🫖☕🎀, managing with a post-COVID-19-lockdown psych-sector. That is, overrun with patients and burned out. I can’t tell if my treatment providers are just too busy or they don’t care. Maybe they can’t afford to care.

    In the meantime I’m watching the institutions of my society, a nation and community I believed in, get smashed to rubble or worse, subverted by a kleptocracy that steals for profit and uses force to hunt political enemies and bogey-men

    It’s not a great time to be trying to unfuck my head, and not a bad time to be a raving lunatic. 🐺🌕

    To be fair, I knew he was a bastard in 2003 when evidence of the CIA extrajudicial detention and torture enhanced interrogation program was published and came to a head. Staunch Republicans were party-signaling by announcing that torture of terrorists was right and proper, and waterboarding wasn’t really torture. My dad made such assertions, and went on to say all CIA captives were organized terrorists and guilty of violence (entirely untrue, but we wouldn’t know that for a couple of years). At the time I didn’t know about the Scharff interrogation techniques that informed US methods since WWII (Named after Luftwaffe Master Interrogator Hanns Scharff). We haven’t yet seen the full U.S. Senate report on CIA torture, incidentally, and I’m still sore about it.

    My father really does deserve a corpse of a son, and I’m still striving to choose other than giving him one.

    I’m too old (and gentle, actually) to become Hugo Stiglitz once the civil war comes, but if my fury, resentment and disappointment were given material form, it’d look something like that.


  • I believed MAGA is actually a small select movement that is loudly amplified by billionaires and their huge propaganda machine. Although FOX News is leading in viewership and Matt Walsh, Ben Shapiro and Joe Rogan are all usually in the top ten podcasts.

    It’s not Americans really want to lose all their benefits and give all their money to rich people. It’s just that a big machine (that might as well have wah-wah-wah sound effects and brain beams) has convinced a lot of people to disregard their eyes and ears and faculties and vote for the blonde orange god-king dude.

    77 million voters voted for Trump. I lost my mind to that revelation. Rich people literally made a zombie machine, and they’re already zombieing at victims and killing them, and putting captives in internment.

    I think if we can counter this, we can actually move towards community-based societies and reach for the stars. I also think if we can’t do it in a timely manner, we’ll choke ourselves out as greenhouse emissions light more and more of the world on fire.



  • As I note above, there are success stories with NGOs. The Zapatistas are still active and going strong. Also the Black Panthers in the US before they were massacred in an FBI operation.

    When a society is annexed or wiped out, it can’t really be said to be fault of the governing system that it failed.


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    < nerd-moment rant >

    CIA is a big institution, and gathered a lot of very useful data, which it shares in the World Factbook. (At least those things that can be attained by open research, which is a lot) CIA also engages in espionage not only to gain hidden and secret information but to serve state interests, typically how the state department (under the executive) defines interests of the state.

    And as with most espionage organizations, CIA is not above engaging in cruel, sometimes violent shenanigans. During the cold war, CIA secured the Americas from influence of the Soviet Union (containment) but also arranged exploitation rights to US centered companies, and were often messy about it. To be fair KGB was also about trying to influence countries to sell to USSR, so there was incentive to act aggressively and escalate towards brutality.

    ( Incidentally, all those American interest companies are now multi-national corporations, which means they have no real allegiance to the US, and evade paying taxes anyway. )

    Also during the cold war, CIA was big on SIGINT (intercepting communications and listening in) where KGB was big on HUMINT (infiltrating offices and coercing officials to report to KGB). This is not to say these are the only methods they respectively used (CIA liked finding officials in need and bribing them, often arranging for goods and services they’d otherwise not have access to), so when KGB captured (and brutally killed) a spy, it was usually the informant, not the CIA employed handler that turned them.

    Also of note, the Most Brutal Spy Agency award (probably a dagger-shaped trophy) would go to… Deuxième Bureau of the French Republic, who liked exotic James-Bond-style cinematic deaths, like throwing people out of a helicopter over a body of water. KGB did feed Oleg Penkovsky into a blast furnace, but he was a mole in KGB feeding information to the US. Moles are embarrassing when uncovered and no one likes them.

    Anyhow, CIA = incompetent is a mostly 21st century trope, when George W. Bush and his administration replaced all the top management with cronies at a time post-USSR Russia (and the entire Baltic region) was undergoing a lot of political upheaval. The US needed a robust intelligence sector managing foreign affairs at the time. But that was just not meant to be.

    The whole Valerie Plame incident (in which the administration burned a CIA employee for political revenge – she escaped and made it home) demonstrated the meager level of respect Bush and crew had for the intelligence sector. After that, CIA, now a subdivision of DHS became reputed for torture and drone strike campaigns (which massacred fifty civilians for every killed POI), and worked with NSA to spy on Americans, under the color of looking for Terrorists.

    Shit only gets worse from there. CIA would use the NSA mass surveillance program intel to create dossiers on Americans. Despite its conflicts with fourth-amendment protections, these files are used by secret courts – FISA – for secret trials, violating fifth- and sixth-amendment protections. These trials putting convicts on the Disposition Matrix (id est, Obama’s kill list ) for abduction and rendition or straight execution.

    And all these resources were available for Trump when he came into office. Fortunately he got in a spat with the CIA directorate in 2017, so they weren’t as chummy with the White House early on as they were during the Obama administration. But now he has all those resources (though the upper echelons are MAGA loyalists and consequently double-plus-inept)

    In the 1980s I wanted to be a spy… CIA researcher at Langley, actually, but I couldn’t handle the language requirements. Also being a field operative is really, really hard on the soul, and it’s no wonder James Bond drinks like Ian Flemming.

    < /nmr >


  • By then, Stalin had seized power. Again, as with democracy, there’s a difference between the model of government and the

    And it’s not like containment was passive. In fact, the US notoriously put down democratic states to erect autocratic regimes that were aligned with US based companies American interests, sparking the development of NGOs who resort to terrorism to fight oppression by NATO-aligned interests. Again, if we’re going to compare actual nation states, let’s compare actual nation states. Wilson supported the White Army (the monarchists) so there were ill feelings between the Bolsheviks and the US, but Wilson didn’t even try to negotiate with the nascent Soviet Union. He just decided (in line with his corporate buddies) that the notion of Marxist communism was evil, and USSR was by fiat.

    When we get to strategic nexus regions like Poland or Korea, yes, all the major powers that surround them end up fighting over control of the territory, which sucks when you’re indigenous to that borderland. We’ve yet to establish and enforce the right of sovereignty of weaker nations.

    If you want to compare command economics, you contrast it to capitalism. If you want to compare USSR, you do so to USA. The point isn’t that they suck, the point is that we need to work out how to get them to suck less

    In Das Kapital Marx gets into the weaknesses of capitalism, in which those with power will exploit it to consolidate more power, which is what we’ve seen.

    If you want a capitalist system, figure out how to preserve a public-serving (not commerce-serving) government, that regulates products so that they are safe to use, are offered in good faith (counter-example: AAA games that are really just micro-transaction market fronts), are made without abuse of labor, resources, or environment, and are priced based on their value rather than their scarcity.

    If you want a capitalist system, figure out how to get upper management to regard its laborers as human beings rather than props or parts of a machine. (Not just because it’s moral, but because well-treated workers are productive beyond the additional cost).

    If you want a capitalist system, figure out how to assure a minimum standard of living for everyone in the state, whether they allegedly work or don’t work. (The US relies on a lot of labor that is not compensated for, and fails to recognize skills and services that are essential, as we discovered at the beginning of the COVID-19 lockdown and after it was lifted.

    If you want a capitalist system, solve the problems that are consistently endemic to markets. Likewise, if you want a communist or socialist system, you have to solve the problems that come with those models.

    Or we can wait until the fascist autocrats of the US purge everyone else (likely into mass graves or ash dumps) and starts cutting into itself. Or until they go to war, and ultimately Chinese bombers blot out the sun over Washington.

    If a system ultimately leads to negative outcomes, either you fix it, or you turn to other systems. But saying that we’ve tried something in the past and it didn’t work is not a cause to rule it out.


  • It’s not baseless speculation, and it’s not a little bit of pressure. I’m saying it was a lot of pressure. And I’m saying we don’t know what could have happened if the early Soviet Union was left alone to flourish or fail on its own merits.

    I’m not sure if we can leave an experimental state to do its own thing, since it is really popular among commercial interests and aristocrats to meddle with establishment systems in order to procure more power, lather, rinse, repeat. All for freedom and for pleasure; nothing ever lasts forever

    Regardless, it appears that we’re just too tempted when creating our state constitutions to lend favor, at least, to the petite bourgeoisie, who take advantage of that power to secure more power until the state collapses into an autocratic regime or factions into warlord states.



  • I am failing to find either a list of ICE abduction / detention victims or a list of ICE officer-involved homicide.

    In 2015 police officer-involved homicide (that’s a euphemism for when a law-enforcement officer kills someone) averaged four victims a day, and those are the ones uncovered by activist groups who tracked incidents through news and obituaries.

    So I cannot imagine a quota of 3000 abductions a day is going to proceed cleanly. Technically, they’re succeeding at about 1100 abductions a day on average. We’ve seen their violence discipline and deescalation skills are wanting.

    The only news I can find about ICE killing someone is from the Biden era, and only a few are reported.

    So if anyone knows how often ICE pulls the trigger and kills (or seriously hospitalizes) members of the public, and can find me sources, please let me know. We should be tracking them, and we should be saying their names.


  • I should clarify, we haven’t seen public-participatory communism in state governments, but we have seen it in NGOs, such as the Black Panthers and Zapitista Army, the former of which was massacred by FBI hits, and the latter which is still active in the Chiapas territory of Mexico. And they’ve been around since 1994. < does a websearch, > It appears the ZA controls a not-insignificant amount of territory.

    But then we’ve so far seen all forms of government are unstable, with the current standard being a 1000 year peace. (Maybe the ancient Egyptian empire, but I don’t know its history). Many regimes have risen and shown hubris that their rule should last so long, and have fallen to corruption or annexation by other states. Capitalism and authoritarianism facilitate the return of autocracy which, when it exists for long enough, becomes monarchy. The Kim family ruling DPRK (North Korea) serves as a modern example, and Kim Il Sung, the grandfather of Jong Un, has been deified to continue the culture of personality.

    The US began destabilizing almost immediately. Remember the Constitution of the United States was the second draft, after the Articles of Confederation led to violent disagreement between the colonies. And still, after that the plantation barons introduced backdoors into the Constitution that figure specifically into the current crisis of tyranny, today.

    Capitalism gets introduced because the rest of the world uses capitalism. We’ve seen plenty of communal efforts who provide socialized services within the commune, but will export product to trade with the outside. Middle Ages historians believe villages and hamlets shared openly without concern for parity, and would take their surplus (and cash crops) to towns to be traded or sold at market. But we didn’t call this communism we called it subsistence agriculture They’d also reserve a portion for tribute to their liege lord, who kept order, protected against foreign enemies and maintained stores of goods for crisis (specifically, runs of bad winters and short crops).

    It’d be nice if Kings governed fairly and compassionately, and corporation upper management could run their companies truly to facilitate long term company growth, but eventually you get a Joffrey Baratheon or IRL, a John of England, a Nero Caesar, or a Vlad Țepeș that brings ruin to the legacy their ancestors have built.

    If you’re going to denounce government models because they’ve never worked before, you have to apply the same standard to all other models you contrast it to.

    We don’t know what works, on account that none of them we’ve tried so far have succeeded for very long. This is why we need to see them as skeletal models and not as immutable ideologies nor as devices by which to manipulate the public into tolerating autocracy.


  • The Constitution of the United States has baked-in ownership class superiority coming right out of the gate, thanks to pressure from slave-owning interests.

    Capitalism can be done so that it’s way more fair than Obama era capitalism¹ but it requires a bulwark of oversight and uncaptured regulatory agencies to preserve a narrow wealth distribution.

    Even in Europe wealth disparity is corrosive to the institutions.

    I’m not interested in a specific model of not-capitalism. I’m interested in systems that support the public. And capitalism is demonstrably antithetic neoliberal capitalism is antithetical to that.

    What we’ve seen in China and USSR is party-centric communism (soviet — lower case — communism). We haven’t seen public-participatory communism.

    1 Im not looking at Trump ere because we’re already mired deep into an autocratic takeover and policies that work to dismantle institutions and engage in humanitarian wrongdoing.


  • It really depends. China is winning the race on sustainable energy because it’s treating it the way the US treated the Space Race after Sputnik.

    And we are seeing how market economies go, the the outcome is dire.

    I don’t know what works, but obviously neither do you. Neither do our elected representatives who are captured by interests to return to monarchy (which can command the economy).

    So that’s, just, like, your opinion, man.





  • So when the communist party came into power after the Bolshevik revolution, Wilson went to the League of Nations to negotiate a common embargo of the Soviet project, essentially sanctioning Russia the way we might sanction a nation for humanitarian wrongdoing.

    This is to say Wilson was afraid of it actually working, which would jeopardize the industrial moguls who were already running the US.

    This is also to say, the Soviet Union was doing a communism in hostile circumstances, much the way European monarchs pressured France to raise a new king after the revolution (leading to Napoleon’s rise to power, the Levée en masse (general conscription) and the War of the First Coalition (or as is modernly known, Napoleon Kicks European Butt For A While ).

    Historians can’t really say, but the fact the red scare started with Wilson (and not after WWII) might have influenced events, including the corruption of the party and the rise of Stalin as an autocrat.

    Also according to Prof. Larry Lessig, Boss Tweed in the 1850s worked to make sure the ownership class called all the shots in the United States, eventually driving us to Hoover and the Great Depression. FDR’s New Deal (very much resented by the industrialists) was a last chance for Capitalism, which then got a boost because WWII commanded high levels of production and distracted us with a foreign enemy. Then the cold war.

    So communism was really unlucky and didn’t get a fair shake in the Soviet Union, and US free market capitalism got especially lucky in the 20th century, and we don’t really know if either one can be held together for more than a century or two. EU capitalism is wavering, thanks to pressure from the far right, and neoliberalism failing to serve the public.

    In the meantime, check out what’s going on in Cuba, which isn’t perfect, but is interesting.