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Ooh yes good patent it so other manufacturers won’t do it. It’s a win-win since I already wouldn’t want a ford
Edit: what it uses cameras to look at other vehicles??? That is much worse
Yep, it snitches on other cars!
Let’s be real, close to a majority of Americans have no issue with their iPhone being used as part of a mesh tracking network, even if it helps abusers with airtags.
All they have to do is sell this to people as benefiting them, and they will gobble it up. Hell, chances are, insurance companies will start offering reduced rates if you drive one (and then they buy the data from Ford and increase rates with it).
The massive difference between AirTags and this is that AirTags (and the whole Find My network, it’s not only AirTags after all) actually provide a useful service to each participant, namely locating their things if they get lost somewhere. This does effectively nothing for you and will only ever fuck over other people (you could argue rightfully so, but still) and provides no value to anyone other than the police.
One wonders whether instance companies will incentivize these vehicles with lower rates.
For whatever the insurance companies deem a low rate driver, sure. But you can be sure that many drivers will be paying more once their insurance company sees how much time they stare at a TikTok videos what “driving”.
Actually. I do wish that phones would fucking tattle on people who can’t be bothered to watch where they’re going while operating 2 ton Hausfraupanzers.
Instead of paying 2000 dollars a month for your shitty lifted ford ranger you pay 1500 a month for your shitty lifted ford ranger, but the car will… SHUT THE FUCK UP, WHERE DO I SIGN?
Ooh that’s gonna get your car keyed.
You have a strange way of writing molotov cocktailled.
I was gonna say, they are getting keyed with bullets
The key that opens anything.
Ooh yes good patent it so other manufacturers won’t do it.
Patents don’t necessarily stop other OEMs from using it. It just means they’ll have to pay Ford a fee to license it, themselves.
Welcome to UPS trucks.
And Amazon, and FedEx, and UPS, and DHL…
I a totally meant FedEx. But I thought they were the only ones with police contracts?
They all have telematics in their trucks, and I know they all use the data in the case of accidents to prove fault. Amazon specifically monitors speed and will fire drivers if they do it too much. Wouldn’t surprise me in the slightest if they started sharing that info.
Oh yea, on the same page, it’s just that FedEx specifically have been proven to hold contracts with law enforcement, while the others have not.
Sooo how long before we find a way to jailbreak the thing and essentially have an on-board “give that car a ticket” button to report false speed data on any driver we happen to be pissed off at?
…yeah I’d 100% abuse the fuck out of that.
Not just a law enforcement thing, either.
Ford will absolutely, 100%, start selling this data to insurance companies, who will absolutely use it to increase rates.
us insurance sounds insane, you are forced do deal with corporations in a scammy as fuck way
Oh, it only sounds that way because our US insurance system is fucking insane and forces us to deal with them in a scammy way!
How does it work elsewhere? We require doctors get malpractice insurance, and there’s growing support for making the police get liability insurance too.
I live in Estonia.
For one, car insurance depends on your basic demographics (car registration location, owner’s years of driving/insuring experience), the car’s power rating and make/model - and finally, accident history. For any type of insurance that covers your own vehicle as well, it also takes into account the age and value of the vehicle (for the mandatory liability insurance, that’s irrelevant).
For medical insurance, your prior medical history doesn’t matter, there are no premiums. Your options are (simplified, there are some others too):
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Work and have social tax paid for you by the employer (they don’t get to weasel out of this with a regular work contract)
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Be an entrepreneur and pay yourself at least the minimum monthly salary with social tax, the rest you can take out as dividends or invest into growing the company
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Be a student, including university
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Be underage (this also gives you dental! I do wish everyone got dental)
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Be registered as unemployed and at least act like you’re trying to find a job
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Have some sort of permanent disability that’s severely impacting your ability to work
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Have a child under 3 years old
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If nothing else applies to you, you can pay a certain sum which was either monthly or quarterly, to have the same health insurance (this is mostly for those entrepreneurs who don’t want to pay themselves even a minimum salary because they’re already loaded and would rather avoid paying payroll taxes on themselves and only pay income tax if/when taking out dividends). I suppose you could also do it if your income is entirely illegal and therefore untaxed.
If you hit any of these, you pay €5 per doctor’s appointment, with some exceptions. Private care is more expensive. If you don’t in any way qualify for the national medical insurance, you’ll have to pay for your procedures and stuff, but the prices are reasonable usually.
As for liability insurance for medical malpractice and the police - I’m not 100% sure, but I do believe that victims get compensated by either the hospital, or the government in the case of the police. In any case, it’s very rare for anything like this to happen luckily.
I do believe life insurance that pays out if you die prematurely or get a major injury or disease, will still depend on your medical history - or at least whether you smoke and drink alcohol.
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You do realize insurance companies were recently proven to be purchasing data secretly created from our own vehicles so they could raise rates, right? Not sure it “works” here in the US…
How does it work elsewhere?
Are they trying to sell fewer vehicles?
“But if we market it as a subscription service, then surely customers will want it” - Some clueless executive
What they should do is give the car owners a cut if the ticket fees. They would have people patrolling the streets to catch speeders. There also be a big uptick in vandalism of Fords. I would love to watch this experiment with some popcorn.
Dude! Yes! We definitely need more companies treating 1984 like an instruction manual. /s
Pay to lose
it’ll be something the cops subscribe to, and car owners will have no say.
Ford could put all their R&D money into developing low-cost EVs, but they’d prefer to give the cops a handout.
Maybe a natural consequence but better than that would be low profile vehicles
Ford could put all their R&D money into developing low-cost EVs,
Thus making the EVs very expensive… just sayin’
Edit: I don’t know why you are downvoting. These are economic realities as they exist today. More R&D => greater costs => higher price. Fully Automated Luxury Communism is, unfortunately, not a likely reality in our lifetimes.
Then how do any low-cost vehicles ever get developed?
By minimizing costs, including R&D. Further, the lower the price the lower the profit and usually the lower the margin. Companies are not incentivitized to make less money.
This is pretty basic stuff…
Companies are not incentivitized to make less money.
If only it were physically possible to change that. Alas, the fifth law of thermodynamics says profit above all.
If only it were physically possible to change that. Alas, the fifth law of thermodynamics says profit above all.
It is possible to change it, of course, but every attempt thus far has ended in authoritarian political systems with even less opportunity for you to be housed, fed and well cared for, much less able to get things like affordable EVs.
I’m pretty convinced, sadly, that this is mainly because humans basically suck.
While I wish people would stop fucking speeding (you really aren’t getting there that much faster) and tailgaiting like fucking Talladega nights, I still think this is bullshit and fuck Ford for doing this.
The need:
Don’t drive over people, kids, pets or other items such as personal property or buildings.
The current status:
People don’t do those things because mostly they are good enough not to run you over. Bad people on the other hand have no internal limits to prevent tragedy.
The fix:
You can’t go faster than the speed limit. Bad people can still drive you over or hit your car or house.
You see how this works? The problem wasn’t even addressed. But additionally there’s the problem of “I’m at point A and would like to get to point B but not faster than the speed limit so the cop doesn’t shoot me 19 times in the back of the head.”
The fix: you can’t go faster than the speed limit. This allows you to get to point B. However the cop can still shoot you 19 times in the back of the head even when you didn’t do anything wrong.
Are they trying to make cars undesirable?
It’s an absolute win win.
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If they patent it, no one else can use the same system in the same way. So it’s contained to Ford.
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If they don’t end up using it. It’s simply a safeguard that no one else can either.
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If they do end up using it, people will shy away from Ford, making the roads safer for everyone.
As I said. Win win. This is fantastic news.
What if legislation says the feature needs to be added. And then everyone’s forced to buy a license from Ford to make it happen?
No one would be forced to buy a license from Ford. IF they decide it has to be on every car, and it’s that specific system, they would have to buy it out from Ford.
But legislation like that doesn’t happen over night. It’s planned several years in advance so everyone has time to implement it.
But if that’s what you’re worries about. I suggest you vote for whomever is opposed to it. And if no one is opposed. I suggest you protest.
- When the patent expires every manufacturer will be using it if they’re forced to by legislation
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Just theirs.
But you know, not a bad thought.
Ah classic boot licking just like ol’ henry ford
What do you mean by tha-
Only a single great man, Ford, to their fury still maintains full independence [from the control of Jewish masters]. -(Mein Kampf)
Oh. Well, shit.
How to spot a car company no longer innovating
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Fascist nazi fuck company. Class traitor ICE vehicles seem on point though.
That face when you allow your factories in Europe to become war machines, but not the ones in your own home.
Allegiances and all that.
This is likely for new models of Interceptors so that cops don’t have to hold those heavy radar guns to generate revenue. Instead they can automatically ticket speeders while driving to the donut shop or their next victim’s house.
The all new Ford Narc 2024, with optional stitches.
You won’t buy a Ford because it’ll rat you out to the cops
I won’t buy a Ford because they’re dog shit vehicles
We are not the same
I rented a Ford focus once and it really was a dog shit vehicle. Every other vehicle could easily interface with my iPod but this piece of shit would need to scan the iPod for 5-10 minutes (making the head unit completely unusable in the meantime) at which point it would start playing some random song from the iPod that it bizarrely determined was first. That was the most obvious shitty design flaw, but literally every thing about the car was piss poor. If I hadn’t been against Ford already because they knowingly killed people with those defective Firestones, I would’ve completely turned against them from that one rental experience. Fuck Ford.
Yup! Wanna change your battery?
“FUCK YOU, GO TO AND PAY A DEALER CAUSE WE BURIED THAT SHIT INSIDE THE FUCKING ENGINE COMPARTMENT!” -Ford
I can’t believe no one has sued them for this anti-consumer bullshit. I don’t know anything about cars, but even I have been able to change the battery in every vehicle I have ever owned.
Maybe they are patenting this just so that no one else can make it! Because they are generous kind hearted people, right? Right?.. Omg :(
Oddly enough Ford has done weirder crap in the past. They invented E-coat which is a rust prevention process and then didn’t widely use it in their plants until 25-30 years later. In the meantime they licensed it to most of their competitors while Ford themselves went on to develop a horrendous reputation for their cars rusting all through the 60’s and 70’s…
Nope it just takes one jurisdiction to mandate a reporting system is used and then they have a captive market.
If they program in an exception to not report other Fords it could become a competitive advantage.
They could make a system that doesn’t allow the vehicle to speed but I guess allowing it and then snitching is better
That sounds like a really bad idea. There are plenty of legitimate reasons to go over the limit situationally.
Especially when other drivers could potentially put you in harms way that you otherwise wouldn’t be able to evade.
Also what if you need to rush to the hospital and don’t have time for an ambulance? Not great but better than someone dying because they didn’t get attention in time.
I really think you are missing the point here. You say overspeeding may save you, which i think is a very theorical and not frequent occurence but ok, for the sake of argument let’s allow 20kmh above the maximum speed limit, in my country that would be 150kmh, enough to get out of dangerous situation, still way bellow what modern car can do. And you really dont want to go above this kind of speed in urban environments if you’re not a trained professional. Speed limit exist for a reason which extends beyond “when you agree with them” raming in another car and transforming a 1 people emergency into a multiple people one is not a risk we should consider acceptable.
I agree that there’s rarely a good reason to speed. However, most speed limits are fairly arbitrary. Some are too fast, some are too slow.
And the individual driver is not the arbiter of that. Just because someone feels the speed limits are wrong doesn’t justify speeding
The arbitrary speed limits are often because many city planners still use the 80th percentile rule. Basically, they do a traffic study, then set the limit at what 80% of people are comfortable driving at. So that means 20% will naturally feel like they can go faster. And as they reach the 99th percentile, they’ll feel like they can go much faster.
The issue with this 80th percentile thing is that it has very little grounding in traffic safety or reality; Many roads are needlessly wide and give drivers an unrealistic sense of safety. They’ll feel like they can go 40 or 50MPH, when it’s really a street that is cutting through a neighborhood and is frequented by children playing, bike riders, etc…
While i dont necessarily agree with you, it is not my point. I am not saying we should limit the speed according to local speed limit, just that there is no reason ever for an individual car to go above 150kmh (or whatever the highest allowed speed in a country+15% is)
Speed limits are set according to a number of factor from noise, local crash history, density of pedestrians, threshold of the safety equipments (such as rails) , willingness of the governing body to review it, etc While some are not good, I would definetly argue that not all the reasons can be assessed from the driver perspective.
Even ambulances aren’t supposed to speed. They get their time savings with light switching devices and having traffic get out of the way. 99 percent of survivable medical crises have an hour to reach modern medicine as long as proper first aid has been applied.
It’s also almost universally better to slow down than speed up to avoid an accident. Braking changes your speed far faster than speeding up. It also gives you better traction, (literally it loads the front turning wheels with extra weight), and makes a hit more survivable.
We all want to feel like we’re in a Hollywood movie, but we just aren’t.
You should probably read articles before commenting. The cars aren’t reporting themselves.
Great, investors have a target to short sell in the car industry based on Fords bad product development
This idea seems like what someone would come up with if they’re devoid from the reality of driving and have only been chauffeured around lol
Yeah, nobody would willingly buy this. I certainly wouldn’t. Never mind the obvious perpetual privacy violation baked right in to a hairbrained scheme like this, but could you ever fully trust it to work correctly and not ever randomly (or not-so-randomly) send people up for prosecution under false pretenses? I guarantee you the speed tattle system will be a black box, some dipshit legislator would pass a law making fucking with it or reverse engineering it a crime “because safety,” and then any time the state wants to harass anyone they can just ping somebody’s Ford to spit out a false speeding ticket (maybe even one that’s egregious enough to count as a felony like 130 in a 25, or whatever). And how are you going to be equipped to argue against it? It’s going to be your word against the computer and Ford’s army of lawyers and experts plus the police, in a system that’s already heavily stacked against the defendant.
This will probably only see any actual use being built into police cars and maybe commercial fleets, but not civilian vehicles.
