Why are millennials killing genocide?
Nobody wants to 'cide anymore
People are just so pc nowadays
said Trump … (Very opionated & weird comment)
Has the woke agenda gone too far?
Because of avocado toast
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Maybe export them instead, shits expensive in Europe
The machine must ruin everything.
Cancel culture!
The only thing I’m proud of when looking at gen Z is that they are completely unwilling to go to war for the military complex and giving their life fighting a battle where they have nothing to gain but everything to lose. That’s way smarter than my generation or the baby boomers ever were.
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That is the only justified killing. And waves, but I’m no surfer.
Centrists - making the world a friendlier place for fascism since forever.
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Center left can exist because left/right is relative. They’re ignorant to the fact that politicians to the left of them often achieve those center left wing policies in practice, while they often achieve pure centrism. Radical left wing change is harder than radical right wing change, so we need to push as left as possible
Guess I’m a leftist then (I’m literally pro monarchy)
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But I’m anti genocide
Centrist is picking and choosing from each side, not doing a little of everything.
the dogshit stupid takes i see in this community are just proving that nobody here has actually ever encountered a centrist
please do tell me about your mythical centrist
This comment does not inspire confidence in your willingness to actually read it.
Did their comment hurt your feels?
Bad faith bro strikes again
I’m excited you think of me enough to give me a nickname!
It’s so cute, I can picture our future together.
I haven’t encountered many unicorns either, just horses with ice cream cones on their head. Still looking though.
I haven’t encountered Rhino’s in person but have seen many online. I think that might be what you’re looking for.
ah yes, and i haven’t found any actually independent thinking liberals and conservatives. just people who are checking their favourite left/right wing political commentators twitter to regurgitate what they say.
I’m also picking and choosing from each side, which is why I’m a leftist. Does that make me a centrist?
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And always picking genocide from the political salad bar.
I can’t believe someone with an anime profile picture isn’t spouting bigoted nonsense.
I usually see anime profile pics submitting code to Linux open source projects.
anime pfps are one of the only valid demonstrations of horseshoe theory
Like they said, bigoted nonsense
That’s because it’s a Nichijou anime profile picture. That’s a green flag in my book.
all I hear is helvetica standard
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But nonsense nonetheless.
refreshing
so misrepresenting centrism is not bigotry? which dictionary are you using?
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A little genocide never killed anyone.
THANK YOU
Those crows were circling.
Interesting how everyone seems to think this tweet from 2018 seems to refer to th situation in Gaza in 2023.
Right?! When I posted it, I was making a statement about enlightened centrism and not even thinking about the Gaza situation. Instead of genocide you can insert any morally abhorrent thing that should not be tolerated. But I get why people think it’s related, it’s on everyone’s mind. Thank you for noticing though.
I mean, it’s not like we haven’t seen this kind of discussion in regards to Gaza.
The knee-jerk reactions in this threat are quite telling.
To be fair, the situation in Gaza isn’t new and was probably the same in 2018
Sure but by that logic anything anybody ever said during my entire lifetime could be a reference to Gaza.
Are you 'murican? I don’t think the rest of the world agrees on any of the US’s “definitions” of left, right and liberal. From a European POV, the US democrats are really, really far to the right. Sanders might be leaning toward the center. The republicans are a strange mixture of libertarian regarding economical matters and very very right-wing/intrusive on personal matters. Whenever someone even mentions/comments other people’s sexual orientation and identity I automitcally assume they are creep that wants to sniff other people’s bedsheets. How can you be partly libertarian and also creepily nazi-intrusive? US-republican invention I can’t wrap my head around, that is.
Europeans are like vegans and Arch users, but somehow even less funny
Do your bedsheets smell good?
Sniff sniff.
Edit: Please don’t kink shame.
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American politics amounts to geriatric seals barking at each other. There’s nothing complicated going on.
Sanders might be leaning towards the center
The guy is a self-avowed socialist, what do mean “Leaning toward the center”?
i hate to break it to you, but there are a lot of leftists that are very comfortable with genocide.
I don’t see tankies/red-browns are leftists. Ultimately they overwhelmingly support authoritarian dictatorships, and that just doesn’t feel very lefty for me
How often do you see these views in daily media? Cause I see right-wing rhetoric that’s pretty fucked up on TV and in newspaper and on the streets. but I only see tankies in the most forgotten corners of the internet.
They called themselves “France insoumise” here, and they are numerous!
Key word being “here.” They represent a small portion of a small internet community. How often do you hear tankie views presented seriously on mainstream news?
That’s what i am claiming here. France Insoumise is 3rd largest political force in France, they are pretty vocal in their “criticism of main establishment” which translates to “US/Israel bad, Russia and China good”
If social “media” falls under daily media, then I see it all the time. Go on X. Or Reddit. Or Instagram. or TikTok. It’s not hard to find some pretty radical leftist opinions in popular spaces nowadays, and like most spaces centered around radical ideology, you’ll get some genocide deniers in the mix.
I never really got the whole “leftists voices not being heard” schtick. There are tons of leftist flavored crazies online, and they tend to be very vocal, just like the right wing crazies.
Lets be honest with ourselves, half of the left is in support of the genocide happening is gaza. have seen this in both US left. and just as much in German, UK, Dutch left parties. only the French left has somewhat of a push back against that, France seems to be the only western country to still have genuine left factions among its left parties.
half of the left is in support of the genocide happening is gaza.
Liberals aren’t leftists, Clyde. They are literally the centrists (ie, confused right-wingers) the meme is referring to.
No true Scotsman fallacy.
No true Scotsman fallacy.
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Fallacy Fallacy. Simply naming a fallacy doesn’t mean the argument is wrong. Recognizing fallacies help you know where to attack an invalid argument, they don’t attack it for you.
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If someone said I wasn’t a true Scotsman simply because I have no Scottish heritage and have never been to Scotland they would be correct. It’s not a fallacy when the person in question doesn’t meet the definition of the group. The definition of Leftist is not “to the left of someone else in the room, even if if that person is a full Authoritarian.”
I DECLARE LEMMY FALLACY!
You said something on lemmy and I think it’s wrong so lemmy fallacy! You’re wrong! :P
Hey, I just wanted you to know that you can’t just say “fallacy” and expect it to mean something.
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That doesn’t apply here, liberals fundamentally aren’t leftists. Liberals are centrists.
While I totally agree that liberals are not leftists. Liberals in the US are on the left.
I don’t really expect you to learn this, as a self-identifying leftist, because your priors are everything to you, but it is true.
Being left of the far-right does not make one a leftist. Words have meanings.
I would never claim liberals are leftists. Leftists are liberals who failed math
Curious how you came to that conclusion. When I was in the math department in college, most of the smartest students were full-blown communists. Though I’m not sure how you think math factors into it in the first place
Liberals in the US are on the left.
So the original post was talking world wide. Limiting the scope to a very right wing portion of the world doesn’t magically change who’s on the Left.
If you have a room full of people saying “Let’s form a dictatorship and conquer the world!” and 1 person says “I don’t think that’s a good idea”, that person is not automatically “on the left” just because they are to the left of extremist right wing views.
No they are absolutely not.
It’s cute when you guys do Bernie Math to try to make yourselves seem correct.
Condescension: how centrists concede an argument.
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Liberalism is the ideology of capitalism.
Leftist politics reject capitalism.
Liberalism is only left compared to conservatism, but both are on the right wing.
It doesn’t get any simpler than this, Clyde - liberals aren’t leftists.
Never has been. Never will be.
A quick Google search failed to inform me what a “clyde-liberal” is. Would you please explain?
“Clyde” is you - “liberal” is also you.
Do the math.
Lmao what? Liberals vote in favor of right wing economic policies. Scotsman fallacy doesn’t even apply here
I once asked the hexbear community why they are pro-genocide against their “opponents” and got called Hitler when I didn’t think it was reasonable to commit genocide at all.
From my point of view it’s the extremists on both left and right that is the biggest problem.
The leftists looks at right extremists and think to themselves that the entire right-wing is like that. Same goes for people on the right. They look at what the leftist extremists do and then argue that it’s how people on the left think and act.
But just like all of life, politics is not black and white. Just because I agree with the left more than the right that does not mean I agree with the entire leftist politics.
The Spanish center-left is re-positioning itself denouncing Israel’s actions after years of ambivalence, and the Spanish left is calling for sanctions.
How terrible for Spain.
There’s no Left in the US. The “Left” is more of a Center Right
Jesus Christ this has been disproven so many times. No just because the people that push politics that are often to the left of most European democracy’s main left leaning party are old white farts too does not mean that they’re a secret center right pretending to call themselves a left leaning party.
Jesus Christ this has been disproven so many times.
Centrist Democrats have found their equivalent version of Bush Jr’s “terrorist sympathizer” accusation, and they’re going to use it as a cudgel against the left until it stops working.
They do not care that the claim is ridiculous.
But they considers themselves leftists, and their voters see them that way as well.
ALL the left parties in the back a ceasefire and The Green Party calls for an end to the occupation. Labour are more right wing than the Conservatives when David Cameron was elected. There are left MPs still in the Labour, many have been fired or have quit.
I can’t call Labour a left party in all good faith. it has been taken over by the blairites. Corbyn brought hope to the left movement, but he was run over by the fifth column of his own party. just like the US the UK is stuck in a two party system controlled by billionaires, hedge funds and the military-industrial complex
Which centrists actually support any amount of genocide?
Plenty of centrist liberals support Israel’s “war against Hamas”. US president Joe Biden and the Democratic party for example.
that has nothing to do with the ideology of centrism itself and would be ridiculous to even pretend so.
it has to do with the complexity of the situation, and more specifically for everyone supporting Israel, having to do with maintaining country relations moreso than the edit: humanist ideals unfortunately.
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If specifics are needed, Tim Pool (like most of these people) claims to be centrist… Yet always fails into line with the right on everything.
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You’re right on half of that, but on what issue does he meaningfully align with the left? Like I said, he seems to fall right into line with the right on everything - outside the shallowest veneer.
I’m a centrist - both sides are bad - exclusively lists things the Democrats are doing.
I don’t support the Republicans - but agrees with everything they’re doing.
It’s a great way to feel as though you’ve risen above partisanship and form your own opinions like a special smart boy - as you’re led straight to right-wing positions on every issue.
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He certainly shifted right over time, but I don’t think he could have ever fairly been called a centrist.
Disagreeing with the Democrats doesn’t make you right-wing (I disagree with them on most things because I’m pretty far left - condemning the Democrats exclusively (other than the vaguest possible 'I don’t agree with the republicans) while near-universally agreeing with the positions of the GOP makes you right-wing.
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Such stupidity - examples like state capitalist, single-party China is about as communist as the DPRK is democratic. Want to bite the bullet and link capitalist genocides?
Be less dumb - please.
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Mom: we have genocide at home
You’re grounded, mister! No genocide for an entire month.
Right: Let’s cut off our Dicks.
Left: Let’s not cut off our Dicks.
Center: Guys, your going to have to compromise, let’s just do some dick cutting.
Right: I guess I can live with that for now.
Left: No.
Center: See, this is why no one likes the left, you guys are the real extremists, smh
Extremists be like “You’re either with me or against me!”
I’m an extremist when the issue is “should we do a genocide”.
On the “no” side, to be clear. I will indeed not accept any answer other than that one.
Is that such a wrong position to have when the questions are as starkly “respect human rights or don’t respect human rights” as most issues are in today’s conversation? This isn’t a discussion on the minutia of how much money should be allocated to transit subsidy, this is “should the queers be allowed to exist?” and “should women have rights?” and “do parents have the right to ruin their child’s life just because they’re the parent?”
If you really think there’s a middle ground there, either you’re a fucking idiot, or you actually don’t and you’re just trying to pretend you do because you know your actual answer is morally indefensible unless you ascribe to a world view that has no business being respected in a democratic rights respecting society.
E: Every down vote without discussion just proves my point even more. You’re all in a cult.
Nah, both sides suck for different reasons.
Most situations have more choices than the two you are often presented with. For example, who is in the right, Hamas or Israel? Neither of them. They’re both trying to justify killing innocent people because the other side killed innocent people.
In the meme, a centrist would obviously agree with the Democrat. If it were flipped and the Democrat were saying some equally off the wall thing, they’d side with the Republican. They’ve both become extremist versions of what they once were and the other side points out the obvious insanity and gets to feel smug about their low hanging trophy. And dumbass people from both sides eat it up.
Why do you think people are clinging to the center despite all the weird hate against it? They don’t want to be associated with either side. Both sides get some things right and some things wrong. Yet, we’re expected to take them as a package deal, because politics have become cult like.
Now do healthcare as a right and abortion. Where’s the compromise?
You missed the point, there is no compromise and even people who identify as centrists will have different thoughts.
Me personally?
Healthcare as a right is already a thing. You can get it even if you’re unemployed right now. The real problem is in the insurance/medical/pharma industries with all of the insane price gouging. It needs to be more obtainable and more effective. Free? No, medical supplies and labor still have some cost even if we fix the issue of cost and that money needs to come from somewhere. Even if it were given out for “free”, you really think our taxes won’t go up to compensate?
Abortion? Let them do what they want.
Health care should be free for the simple reason that it’s inhumane to deprive a person of it just because they can’t afford it. It’s a basic human right. It works in many other countries. Maybe rich people and corporations should stop getting tax breaks and your government should reduce a bit the amount spent on the military.
Jupp, healthcare should be free for the individual in need. And at the same time it is not “free” because the costs get compensated by taxes. At least that’s how it works in Germany, where i am from. So the point of the person you answered to stands: yes, free for individual, covered by state/insurance which gets the money from someone else.
The person I replied to literally said it shouldn’t be free because it may increase their taxes. So it was implied that they meant it should not be free for the individual, meaning the individual should be expected to have to pay for their own medical treatment when needed.
That’s one of the reasons I don’t like the left, you guys expect everyone to be in lock step on every issue and you use a holier than thou approach to do it. However, I don’t want to live in a Christo-Fascist Theocracy, so even though I don’t love it… I will still vote D for now. I’m literally on your side, but it’s impossible to have a conversation with you guys. The right and left’s chances of that are near zero and it’s fucking sad. You call us centrists, but most of us never moved. You guys did. You move the line more and more every day.
That is very a very american-centrist pov, it’s your bi-party stuff that’s fucked up, not the left
I mean, I thought the right’s problems were pretty obvious. I don’t think there are many right wing people that need to hear it here anyways. Right wing people seem to absolutely love it when you tell them their party is flawed anyways.
To your other point, this thread is literally me saying the two parties are a problem and I’ve posted other comments in here saying people should vote third party.
Now you really gone and rilled the identity warriors with you mentioning “bi-parties”…
Not sure to understand what you mean
“Bi” as in “Bisexual” rather than standing for “two” as you probably meant it.
Bad joke, sorry ;)
Oh nice joke :D
I have been trying on Lemmy for months. They purposefully and willfully misunderstand all centrists / independents and for some reason feel they are all secretly right wing.
It’s the current state of US politics - the straw man they’ve built in their head that has all the wrong opinions has the same label that they’ve slapped on you, and labels are all that matters to them.
Most are not here to engage, think, and expand their worldview. They are here to push the “fuck you” button that gives them a dopamine hit by punishing you for having the wrong label.
But once in a while you’ll talk to someone who treats you like a real person, and it’s kind of wonderful.
I’ll take the downvotes happily everytime. I know it’s going to happen as I’m writing, but if it means it gives even one person something to think about it’s worth it.
The issue is that “centralist” has been co-opted by the American Right. The republican MAGA element has flopped so far to the extreme right that the old right now looks in the center. Because of this, and the idiotic behaviour of the MAGAs, a lot of republicans seem to use “centralist” to distance themselves. A lot of the original centralists have been forced into siding with the democrats.
From the outside, American politics is all right wing. The democrats are more in line with most countries right wing parties than their left. This has only gotten more extreme recent years. Right now, the democrats are far too close to the centralist joke in this meme. “A little bit of genocide is ok” at least when it’s not Americans. You act like it’s far fetched now, but we also joked about the MAGA idiots and Trump becoming president.
Not everyone is American. I’m German and it’s way less distinct here imo. Yes, I hate the right with a passion (as everyone should), but the left really isn’t any good either. It’s just all a big bag of trash.
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