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    half of the left is in support of the genocide happening is gaza.

    Liberals aren’t leftists, Clyde. They are literally the centrists (ie, confused right-wingers) the meme is referring to.

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        No true Scotsman fallacy.

        1. Fallacy Fallacy. Simply naming a fallacy doesn’t mean the argument is wrong. Recognizing fallacies help you know where to attack an invalid argument, they don’t attack it for you.

        2. If someone said I wasn’t a true Scotsman simply because I have no Scottish heritage and have never been to Scotland they would be correct. It’s not a fallacy when the person in question doesn’t meet the definition of the group. The definition of Leftist is not “to the left of someone else in the room, even if if that person is a full Authoritarian.”

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          While I totally agree that liberals are not leftists. Liberals in the US are on the left.

          I don’t really expect you to learn this, as a self-identifying leftist, because your priors are everything to you, but it is true.

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              I would never claim liberals are leftists. Leftists are liberals who failed math

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                Curious how you came to that conclusion. When I was in the math department in college, most of the smartest students were full-blown communists. Though I’m not sure how you think math factors into it in the first place

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                  Lots of undergrads believe lots of silly shit. My buddy was a conservative til he got his masters in Econ. People grow.

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                    You’re the one who implied leftism conflicts with mathematical understanding, which you still haven’t justified with any actual reasoning.

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            Liberals in the US are on the left.

            So the original post was talking world wide. Limiting the scope to a very right wing portion of the world doesn’t magically change who’s on the Left.

            If you have a room full of people saying “Let’s form a dictatorship and conquer the world!” and 1 person says “I don’t think that’s a good idea”, that person is not automatically “on the left” just because they are to the left of extremist right wing views.

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            Liberalism is the ideology of capitalism.

            Leftist politics reject capitalism.

            Liberalism is only left compared to conservatism, but both are on the right wing.

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        It doesn’t get any simpler than this, Clyde - liberals aren’t leftists.

        Never has been. Never will be.

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        Lmao what? Liberals vote in favor of right wing economic policies. Scotsman fallacy doesn’t even apply here