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Well, I for one installed Linux on my old surface book 2 yesterday, and my steam library works great on Linux. Even got better FPS.
So I became a Linux gamer yesterday and am super happy
switched to arch 7 or so months ago because of the recall spyware breaking the camels back. havent looked back since, i shouldve switched sooner i actually like using my computer now!
Roughly the same for me. I couldn’t use Windows 11 on my old one and certainly wasn’t going to put it in my new one. Gaming has been a breeze too, much easier than I was led to believe.
I have over 300 games installed and fully functional at least one from every year from 1989 to 2025. They all work. Some work better on Arch some (older 32 bit games from original CD) run better on Mint or wont install on Arch. Newer ones like Doom Dark Ages simply run better on Arch. Good luck installing DCS on Wayland though. Just dual boot an X11 focused distro and a Wayland focused one for best of both worlds. Windows hijacked my 25+ year old Hotmail account with their OneDrive ransomware and took my Linux EFI boot partition with it when it was promptly uninstalled. Every single game that is exclusive to Windows is a virus just like the OS that they run on. All cartooned out and loaded with microtransactions and invasive anti cheats. Ew. I would rather compute on a Texas Instruments calculator than install the Windows virus ever again. Id rather draw numbers in the sand than use one of their nasty products or play one of their ugly mass marketed games for dummies. Just absolutely wretched. X670E Creator Wifi, 7950x, 4080 Super, 64GB RAM, 1200W PSU, 4tb Samsung 9100 Pro gen5 nvme, 2x 2tb 990 Pro game drives, Arch and Mint share game drives and run the same files through Steam, Lutris, etc.
At this point it is just easier to play 90% of my Steam library on Linux. Maybe it’s different for NVIDIA cards, but with AMD Microsoft is constantly trying to automatically installing old drivers and breaking things. No amount of registry edits seems to stop it. Hell, I had to open the command line just to install Windows with a local account only. Meanwhile, Linux is just click and play now.
@DelnitaCrane @mesamunefire The ONLY issues I’ve ever had with gaming on Linux was with x11 WM’s and that’s ONLY because my stupid Rog Strix is dual AMD/Nvidia and it doesn’t play nice with x11. Are there fixes for my issue? no. why? because I’m an idiot that decided to buy a laptop with dual AMD/Nvidia.
On Wayland it works fine.
Fuck windows, and copilot, and recall, and most especially OneDrive, and start menu ads, and unnecessary upgrades and … And … I gotta say I’m so much happier on Ubuntu, took me a little googling on some stuff and proton is still finicky sometimes, but man o man is it nice to have an OS which does what I tell it to.
Where?! I filled the hardware survey and as they asked what OS I was on was hoping to see a stat about OSes, but no.
Spoiler: we are talking about 0.32% rise in Linux gamers.
I think it’s important to point out that the percentages are not necessarily that meaningful. If more people are using steam deck and ditch their windows PCs for it, it’s not an OS choice. It’s a choice to move to consoles. Additionally, steam deck also competes with traditional console brands (PS, Xbox, switch) and might take some market share there as well, so that even if no one ditched their windows PCs, the total number of users using goes up and hence, the percentage.
I haven’t had a steam deck in my hands, but I guess that it doesn’t need the user to understand the underlying system at all. It can be used by the same unskilled people who use android or iPhone. So, one core requirement I think people need to have to install any other os is not met or even trained, which is actual knowledge about computers.
The reports about “increase in market share of Linux user’s” is from my point of view, which is “I think it would be great if people would ditch windows and office” just a market bit. Useful but ultimately little meaningful.
Mhm, fair point. Although… I would say the steam deck’s popularity and proof of viability as a gaming device is doing an immense amount of work on its own. I built a gaming PC ~2 years ago, and even as a long time developer and someone comfortable with a UNIX terminal I opted to get a copy of Windows for gaming, and had to awkwardly get to grips with it and find tools to get it playing the way I wanted.
It’s only ~1 month ago that the prevalence and maturity of the steam deck (combined with Windows recall re-emerging🤮) finally had me at ease enough to give Bazzite a shot, and since jumping myself and expressing how happy I am with it, 2 of my long term “on the fence” friends have asked me questions and are starting to try Linux themselves.
Larger Linux market share, regardless of how it gets there, gives broad confidence in Linux, and also pushes developers and Steam itself to maintain Linux support and tools like Proton, which reinforces the cycle, even if it doesn’t help us “kill Windows” for as long as users don’t understand how to install it.
Absolutely agree. My point is, that we people should consider these aspects because many comments I saw where a bit one sided as if this loop was already accelerating and 2025 would be the year of Linux.
Not every Linux user needs to ve comfy with terminal
That’s not what I meant or said. But depending on your setup, the user might need to deactivate bios settings which are named differently or can at least be found in different areas of the bios. So that’s a skill they need. Additionally they have to format a hard drive, which requires understanding that not all data is wiped if the data is for example stored in the cloud or a different drive. Additionally, they would have to decide for a distro and desktop, which can easily be overwhelming, as well as a fulesystem during installation… there are lot of skills most users don’t have because they are no longer required. And seeing these skill requirements for an unskilled person can be a huge barrier and deal killer.
As much as i think people should have these skills and more, and that it is important to growth: "here is your computer, the OS us called ‘mint’, heres where your stuff is, here’s your start menu yiu launch programs from, here’s desktop shortcuts to the things you do, check emails and spread sheets to your heart’s content.
Perhaps the steam deck is a gateway drug for desktop linux?
The gaming industry will never recover when valve gets picked clean by the capitalist vultures that continously circle it.
The PS3 also ran on Linux and allowed users to boot into full desktop Linux. Didn’t exactly lead to the Year of the Desktop Linux, did it?
If I remember correctly, that require manual Linux install as well, didn’t it? I think it was more complicated which was the reason I decided against a PS3. Never did it though.
If more people are using steam deck and ditch their windows PCs for it, it’s not an OS choice. It’s a choice to move to consoles.
They might have as well moved to Windows handheld or Nintendo Switch. They specifically chose the only Linux handheld on the market.
[Steam Deck] can be used by the same unskilled people who use android or iPhone. So, one core requirement I think people need to have to install any other os is not met or even trained, which is actual knowledge about computers.
Why is this a core requirement with Linux only? There are millions and millions of Windows users who have never installed an OS. Sounds gatekeeping to me.
I might be misinterpreting your response but you seem offended. Not sure why, as it wasn’t my intention.
Firstly, I am not aware of, as in “not well informed about” windows based hand helds. To my understanding, steam is quite dominant in the market, and advertising the steam deck through their platform. Why should someone bother with a windows handheld to install steam on the device, if steam comes with the steam deck? Why should someone with a large library move to another system? No, I think steam deck is the most comfo choice when you play games on steam and want a console or hand-held system without the drawbacks of other systems. I own a switch and deeply regrett buying it in 2019, now that the steam deck would allow me to play the same titles. It’d be a much better choice for me.
I don’t understand your comment on gate keeping though. Having easily installed upgrades (win 10->11 for example) makes live easy. Moving to a different os nowadays is a much larger barrier compared to, say, the year 2000, when you had to buy a cd and format your entire system just to realize that drivers are missing and you had to actually figure things out. At the time, moving to a new version was complicated but forced people to educate them selves. Now, it’s just a click to upgrade. The barrier is reduced, less gate keeping, great! But also less skilled people.
And it’s not meant with disrespect. Live got easier, keeping the system updated got easier, people weren’t forced to learn stuff and subseque vendor locked in. Now the skill barrier seems huge for many people and trying another os, even if it was apple, becomes unfathomable.
Again, it’s great that Through the steam deck Linux development is pushed forward as fast as it does. My day to day users won’t migrate unless they are very tech savvy or the enshitification progresses further and further. My employer just decided to move everything to SharePoint because co pilots helps us all doing our work so much faster… I’d have opted for something different and tried to reduce the vendor lock in… but that step would’ve been to large apparently.
They might have as well moved to Windows handheld or Nintendo Switch. They specifically chose the only Linux handheld on the market.
No, they chose a Steam console. A device with the same high convenience and low bar of entry as any other console, but with their (almost) whole Steam library on it.
Why is this a core requirement with Linux only? There are millions and millions of Windows users who have never installed an OS. Sounds gatekeeping to me.
Because conciously choosing and installing Linux is currently the requirement to run Linux on your PC.
If I go to the local electronics store I can pick up a Windows, MacOS or ChromeOS device that has everything pre-installed: OS, drivers, dependencies, all setup for instant usage.
And if I don’t even know what an OS is, I’ll get a Windows PC recommended by the sales people at said electronics store.
That kind of user experience is usually not available for prospective Linux users.
Unless they buy a Steam Deck, which is pretty much the only native Linux PC that’s popular enough that a non-tech person would know it.
(Technically stuff like Tuxedo and Framework exist, but they are pretty unknown.)
Because most pcs bought don’t have Linux preinstalled and usually only have the option of windows?
Glad to have made the jump! not even dual booting
Doesn’t really help that the AAA scene has gone straight in the shitter, while the quality games are all coming out of the Indie scene.
What Valve is doing is making it easier for indie Devs to better support Linux. They don’t have the funds for separate Linux builds. But with proton, it’s a pleasure to make it work. So… It’s great that quality games are coming out of Indie studios and they can be played on linux. Fuck the AAA
Are we going to make a big deal out of every 0.3% shift in steams stats towards Linux?
Wake me up when we’re dealing in whole percentages… That’s when I’ll be excited about it, until then this could just be a sampling bias. A rounding error.
Steam OS handhelds are pretty much the entirety of the growth.
The market share of Steam Decks has been declining among Steam Linux users for at least over a year. Steam Deck users were 42% of Steam Linux users in April '24, and this year’s July it’s only 28%.
Fuck microsoft. Fuck the Idea that everything needs to make a profit. Essential stuff should be publicly owned.
I want to nationalize seashores. It’s unfair rich people privatized entire coastline.
Same with natural resources. WTF are they owned by corpos? Anything mined and drilled should be owned by all citizens
In Oregon, at least, everything below the high water mark is public land.
We have the same “loop hole” around here.
People started doing protests by sun bathing in front of the rich folks gardens.
That’s crumbs. I want everything withng 500yards of high water line to be public lands.
I want to nationalize seashores. It’s unfair rich people privatized entire coastline.
Make them rentable. I want a private piece of seashore for vacation. But nobody should be able to own it for life.
Same with natural resources. WTF are they owned by corpos? Anything mined and drilled should be owned by all citizens
as sad as it is, that failed miserably in the soviet union. The soviets initially had way better computer but because all industry was publicly owned noone competed and noone bought computers which is why they fell behind the US.
There is a sensible middle ground that allows for the pressure-driven innovation of capitalism without its extreme and unfair exploitation. We just have to find it.
Make them rentable. I want a private piece of seashore for vacation. But nobody should be able to own it for life
Bro, that’s even worse.
how would that be worse?
everyone has the possibility to get to vacate on a private piece of seashore but noone gets to hog it and keep it from everyone else.
Commidification of nature is bad, mkay. I’d rather see beaches be labeled as public property, like in Oregon, Hawaii, or even Texas.
I disagree. Soviets were busy recovering from WW2 for decades while funding own allies. They were not in the position to splurge on non necessities.
But even with that - they supplied entire population with oil, gas, electric no problems. Utilities barely cost anything even in modern russia
In the USSR, private plots owned by collective farm families, averaging 0.25 hectares in area, provided 30% of meat, vegetables and milk, 33% of eggs, and 59% of potatoes in 1979.
Bet the land was taken better care of when its a family that owns it compared to some minimum wage workers hired by a mega farm.
Yes, although I was referring to the fact that every experiment in collectivized agriculture in the 20th century boils down to: A minuscule percentage of the plots were left to private initiative and those plots account for the majority of the total output.
If the survey hit for me 1 week from now I’d be on Linux, I’m literally setting my system up properly next Saturday
You can dual boot Linux to try it out.
That comes with its own risks because Windows has been known to destroy dual boot setups when doing updates. Not always, but it can happen and it’s burnt people.
Dual booting also makes it harder when you decide to get rid of windows fully, because you might yourself accidentally screw your bootloader as part of removing windows.
The option I would personally recommend if you are unsure is to disconnect your windows hard drive, keep it safe, and install Linux on a separate drive. Then you can always drive swap back if you need and you know everything is safe.
You can even put the windows drive back in after installing Linux, and then just use your BIOS boot drive selector to switch where you are booting from. Each drive has it’s own boot record in that case, so there’s less risk of any accidents.
My main gaming rig is my last system not running Linux right now, I’ve been migrating my stuff over on my other systems for a couple months now (I keep getting distracted lol)
But not that I’ve got alts for the software I normally use on my main rig it’s finally time, 2 months ahead of schedule.
People don’t have a choice. Microsoft made W11 incompatible with a lot of hardware and Microsoft said, “lol, buy new hardware”
Giving nary a single fuck about whats best for their users.
Windows still is way farther ahead
Not really. Proton has done wonders for Linux gaming. The only games that really don’t run have drm configured to block Linux specifically.
Windows has a 95% market share on Steam
100% of Steam Decks are not shipped with Windows.
That is a true statement
I think OP is referring to the percentage, not functionality. Windows, especially the office suites / GUIs are micht more refined. Someone somewhere pointed out at some point in time that backend development is often open source because developers are dedicated to the cause and the function. Designers, on the other hand, not so much (maybe they need payment because their main job pays less… I don’t know.
In the end, the user uses the front-end, not the backend. And unless money flows into front-end development, for example, by a growing market of companies who want to switch away from office 365 for functional and financial reasons, we won’t see front-ends which are attractive enough for people to switch to Linux for daily/ work related tasks.
I was referring to the percentage like you said
The Windows UI used to be solid back in the day but now days it is incredibly chaotic. Between the dark patterns and weird design choices it has become very cumbersome to navigate.
the switch to linux felt like getting out of an abusive relationship
Linux is not a perfect rose-colored relationship but it’s a mature one.
It does, like any good relationship, need some work. I have been using Mint as my main driver for the last couple of months, and even being a beginner friendly Linux it still needed some time to learn and google around. Now that it’s set up i haven’t run into anything for a long while.
I still run Windows on a rarely-used old laptop. Every time I use it, it reminds me how much that’s true.
- Forcing you to reboot to install updates, sometimes interrupting a download or something just because it knows best
- Ads creeping in all over the place
- More and more “features” you don’t want and never asked for
- AI being shoved in your face
- Surveillance everywhere
- Constantly trying to push you to use “Edge” instead of your chosen browser
It is sad to see Windows get torn apart by Microsoft.
You don’t have to like it but most people know how to use it
No, they don’t, never have, and never will.
I would be surprised if ‘most people’ nowadays even knew what the ‘Internet icon’ does, since it’s not a logo of Facebook/Instagram/TikTok…
Even before phones, people could open a browser and perhaps browse pictures.
The Office Suite is next level, attained by relatively very few.
