Ring footage shows an agent pulling his gun on her, after which he shoves her down multiple times, pushes her back into house & slams the door.

All because she was asking for proof of a warrant. They refused to even give their names & badge numbers.

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    I’m not understanding how somebody in a mask who isn’t presenting a badge can brandish a gun and shove somebody on their property without themselves being shot.

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        This is why the left needs to get armed. You disarmed yourself while the right wing continued to buy arms and now your “surprise Pikachu face” that the right is not stopping this…what logic are you trying to lay here?

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          The last time the left got armed the police bombed the building in Philadelphia, in 1985. The police and ICE are way more violent now, so I’d wager it would happen again. With ICE’s new budget I assume we’ll see armored carriers and tanks rolling around sometime next year.

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          The left is armed. Lots of us own firearms; we’re just quiet about it because we don’t make guns our whole identity because we’re not fragile man children.

          Trust me, right now there is not an appetite for violence. If things keep getting worse sooner or later we will hear more about ICE getting killed. Probably in a year or less since they’re expanding the American Gestapo.

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            The left owns a tiny fraction of the firearms in civ hands. This isn’t some dig at the left. It should be a wakeup call. I’m sure plenty have me tagged here as 2A nut job because I bring it up when shit like this shows up in the news. I’m strongly on the left and I know a lot of other left leaning people, almost all of them are anti-2a/anti-gun.

            https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/07/24/key-facts-about-americans-and-guns/

            The left… isn’t armed. It’s completely outgunned.

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              Your last point is of critical importance. The populace as a whole is outgunned. Psuedo-militarized police forces and “law enforcement” organizations have us outgunned. Nobody’s going out shooing unless they have nothing to lose. And right now, just about everyone still has something to lose. The goal is to keep the population comfortable enough not to riot on the streets.

              There’s a reason they’re targeting the peaceful working class brown people who have families and still have hope that somehow the system will work and they’ll be returned to their family. Notice how they’re not rolling into the ghettos and trying to clean up the latino gangs where immigrants are definitely hiding. These ICE agents are cowards and bullies who pick on the weak to make themselves feel better.

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                You just contradicted your first paragraph with your second…they don’t go there because those groups are armed.

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          It’s not that people relied on the right to fight anything - it’s more the fact that none of these manlyman hero “good guys with a gun” ever step up.
          The whole point of the criticism of 2A is that every single argument for it is bullshit with no basis in the real world.

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            The whole point of the criticism of 2A is that every single argument for it is bullshit with no basis in the real world.

            You…you mean other than right now? When the gestapo are growing rapidly and straight up kidnapping people? Right now is the entire argument for it.

            This comment is the shit I’m literally talking about. I’m assuming you’re on the left and you see shit like this daily, and probably say fascist are running the show and you still stick your head in the sand.

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              Notice how no civil war is breaking out.
              Notice how nobody wants to start a shootout with armed forces?
              Notice how the only real world impact of civvies arming themselves is more civvies die?

              I’m from a country with sensible gun laws and no gestapo snatching people off the streets. yet we still take to the streets in protest of a far right party blasting past constitutional lines - they’re currently under investigation and potentially to be banned in the future.

              All without posturing as armed defenders of democracy watching it’s downfall from the sidelines.

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                Notice how no civil war is breaking out.

                The fuck are you on about? Civil wars happen regardless of the population being armed or not. See Myanmar.

                Notice how nobody wants to start a shootout with armed forces?

                Who is nobody? Cause in the states it’s getting that way soon.

                Notice how the only real world impact of civvies arming themselves is more civvies die?

                That’s not how that works at all.

                I’m from a country with sensible gun laws and no gestapo snatching people off the streets.

                Uhh ok? So why the fuck do you give a shit about what happens here in the states? You don’t know the dynamics here at all, and just see what you are fed by your local news.

                yet we still take to the streets in protest of a far right party blasting past constitutional lines

                Cool, we’re trying to do that as well…

                they’re currently under investigation and potentially to be banned in the future.

                Ok let me know how that goes… assuming you actually post where you’re from

                All without posturing as armed defenders of democracy watching it’s downfall from the sidelines.

                Again…the left isn’t armed like the right is. The right wing wants the crap that’s happening here. You’re not making any sense at all.

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                  I think (and this person can correct me if I’m wrong, it’s really how I understood it) the idea was: despite all the 2A theory of “we need guns to defend from tyrannical government, and yes, if it were to happen I’d take up arms” the US is (not so slowly anymore) sliding toward the tyrannical government and we saw no usage of 2A to fight against it.

                  Your point could be right: it’s because people with the gun generally agree with the government, so no reason to use 2A.

                  Next question is: even if all leftist were armed, would we start to see ICE agent being shot? No idea.

                  Oh and, on another note, to compare the US and Myanmar is NOT a good comparison from any point of view.

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                  The fuck are you on about? Civil wars happen regardless of the population being armed or not. See Myanmar.

                  Off topic, but Myanmar has had local militias for decades and they were in varying states of rebellion until the democratic reforms in the 2010-2020 period. Yes, the civil war has spread further now, but this was in no way a disarmed country.

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                  The fuck are you on about? Civil wars happen regardless of the population being armed or not. See Myanmar.

                  is this a strawman or just intentionally obtuse?

                  Cause in the states it’s getting that way soon.

                  sure, maybe. probably not, but maybe.

                  That’s not how that works at all.

                  and just see what you are fed by your local news.

                  aaahh there we go, conspiratorial anti “the media” shit that i usually expect from the good ol 2A crowd.

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      If possession of an unlicensed suppressor can be legally considered attempted murder, I didn’t see how showing up armed, concealing one’s identity, brandishing firearms, and physically assaulting people (with the threat of said firearms) is not. States need to start trying all of these nazis.

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    Show up at their house and kidnap them and their families.

    No warrant, no ID, no law required.

    (Yeah, Pam, I said it. Fuck you and your goofy, Nazi, child stealing, kiddie fucking pals at ICE and the entire regime. Justice will find you one day.)

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    I want this clear. I.C.E has no jurisdiction when it comes to citizens. One shows up at your house tell em to fuck off and call a lawyer.

    DO NOT COMPLY

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    He refused to identify himself and then assaulted the resident. Why is the news calling him an “agent?” These guys don’t have badges, don’t wear uniforms, drive in unmarked vans and wear masks. They don’t know WTF they are.

    Looks to me like a group of kidnappers.

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      Good point. Could literally be vigilante militias. It at least merits an “alleged” or “purported” before “agent.”

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    If we allowed 50 million immigrants to enter the US the number of criminals per capita would be reduced.

    If we deported Donald Trump the number of criminals per capita would also be reduced.

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      I also think it’s pent up rage because a black man was president. These racists will literally never let that go or accept it.

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        I’ve heard it so many times from racists I am related to and work with. ‘‘We had a black president NOTHING IS RACIST ANYMORE! I can say whatever I want now’’ they REALLY can’t figure out what ‘racism’ means on any dictionary level.

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        Its wild considering that they are aliens, not native americans. They are literally guests of this country

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      There is no greater flake than a butt-hurt, racist conservative. That’s why political correctness exists: to protect their feelings.

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      We have reached a point in reality where I believe Tolkien’s “Evil will defeat itself” when even Trump supporters are swept up by the consequences of their voting choices.

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    SC has stand your ground. Wouldn’t brandishing a weapon basically green light you for using proportional force to stop an illegal act?

    Even better, id be interested to see what happens in a state with castle doctrine.

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        The 2A crowd are the ICE agents

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          That’s what happens when the left goes full divestment from and demonization of guns for multiple decades. Even Marx knew it was a dumb idea, but saying “hell yes we are coming for your AR-15s and AK-47s” was just too tempting. The far right gun nuts are going authoritarian and the centrists are still hoping this doesn’t end in a shooting (civil) war.

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      What would happen? Your house and at least five other houses around it would be riddled with so much lead that it would be declared a hazmat site. They would then “find” 40 bags of cocaine on property. Each bag would be found by a different officer and oddly not one of them will have been hit by a bullet. 112 random weapons will be found on your property, often in the exact same place that the cocaine was found, but by completely different officers at different times.

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        Well they can have all the fun they want doing that after they step over the four corpses on my doorstep, one of which will be mine.

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      Even better, id be interested to see what happens in a state with castle doctrine.

      I’ll bet dollars to donuts that they know who and who doesn’t have registered firearms. They are cherry-picking easy targets right now, and are going to avoid a gunfight if they can help it.

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        Dude everyone should be armed. You dont know who these people are. Im not letting human traffickers get at my kids or wife just because ICE doesnt want to ID themselves. Fuck them and that.

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      And yet we dont. This has always been the gun fetishists fantasy situation, but now that its here, they dont use their guns. Seems like they wasted their money.

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      More guns than people, but in the hands of a few. And anyone at risk of being deported is even less likely to risk it.

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    God I hope more people will end up shooting or beating up ICE agents. What happened to your guys second amendment?

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      They people who most vocally claim it is for use against a tyrannical government are happy that their government is abusing their black and brown neighbors.

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    So felony kidnapping and aggravated menace. If they refuse to identify I dont see why we have to assume they are officers.

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    How much longer before one of these becomes an outright gun battle? Or some dude screaming “show me a warrant!!” while holding an AR15. I want someone to make these ICE fuckers scared to do this.

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    I am failing to find either a list of ICE abduction / detention victims or a list of ICE officer-involved homicide.

    In 2015 police officer-involved homicide (that’s a euphemism for when a law-enforcement officer kills someone) averaged four victims a day, and those are the ones uncovered by activist groups who tracked incidents through news and obituaries.

    So I cannot imagine a quota of 3000 abductions a day is going to proceed cleanly. Technically, they’re succeeding at about 1100 abductions a day on average. We’ve seen their violence discipline and deescalation skills are wanting.

    The only news I can find about ICE killing someone is from the Biden era, and only a few are reported.

    So if anyone knows how often ICE pulls the trigger and kills (or seriously hospitalizes) members of the public, and can find me sources, please let me know. We should be tracking them, and we should be saying their names.