‘For those of us with nothing to fear, the truth can’t come soon enough,’ the actor shared on X
Crazy how Spacey’s career abruptly ended, even though he was acquitted and/or found not guilty. Yet Trump, who has lost his civil sexual assault cases, is the fucking president of the United States and no one will do anything about it.
You forgot about being a 34x convicted but not sentenced criminal.
He was sentenced, it’s just that his sentence was … nothing. Which of course is a totally appropriate penalty for a fucking felony.
*34 fucking felonies
Spacey would still be making movies now if he’d just preyed on vulnerable women instead.
Dustin Hoffman, Ben Affleck, Morgan Freeman, Ryan Seacrest all have multiple SA allegations that they were able to play down and keep working, but those were all from women.
Most homophobia stems from the fear of male rape, so the usual meninist/MRA crowd who scrambled to defend “innocent until proven guilty” for Russell Brand (3 upcoming producer credits) are nowhere to be seen when it’s Spacey.
(for clarity, this is not a defense of Spacey, it’s an attack on hypocrisy)
The only way I can lose is if I’m caught in bed with either a dead girl or a live boy.
– Edwin Edwards
Jesus Christ is that a real quote? It’s accurate AF. Like, uncomfortably accurate.
Yup.
Shane Gillis jokes about the only thing worse than Vikings are, gay Vikings.
That dude can suck the shit directly from my asshole.
😎
Hahahahahahahaha gay Vikings he said!
It’s a joke about the hypocrisy of it. Not hating on someone being gay.
Much like how society gives celebrity abusers of women a free pass. How spacey has been cancelled (rightfully so), but Trump is president.
The joke points that out. But sure, take it literally.
yes, it is revealing how flexible the conservative soul is when it comes to corruption and perversion, while simultaneously being inflexible about things like compassion, charity and kindness.
The only true thing Trump has ever uttered was that he could shoot someone on 5th Ave and not lose support.
That is so not true. He also said “I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait.”
Fair enough! Two true things.
You know what though? I bet he was lying. I bet he doesn’t just start kissing them. I bet he does wait. That’s totally what TACO would do.
Worth noting Spacey is currently on Epstein flight logs that have been released
That’s really fucking funny, if true. (black humor, dead baby funny)
You got a sauce on this?
here’s the flight logs, see for yourself.
ctrl+f and type spacey, he rode the lolita express in september 02, all month long, alongside chris tucker, bill clinton, and a conspicuous absence of secret service (compared to other flights with clinton on board).
probably the severity, and the amount of people he targeted, plus anthony rapps “confession” about him being targeted by spacey. Also movies/shows dont want to be associated with a known pedophile too, so they wouldnt cast him anything anyways.
Why though? Why is it assumed that people will boycott a show/movie if it has a known paedophile in it, while brands/political parties with a mass-sex-offender at the helm are just peachy?
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He didn’t do it? Oh good, I liked him in K-PAX
Not guilty isn’t the same thing as “didnt do it”
From Wikipedia:
Fifteen others then came forward alleging similar abuse,[10] including Boston anchorwoman Heather Unruh, who alleged that Spacey sexually assaulted her son;[11][12] filmmaker Tony Montana; actor Roberto Cavazos;[13] Richard Dreyfuss’ son Harry;[14] and eight people who worked on House of Cards.[15] The Guardian was contacted by “a number of people” who alleged that Spacey “groped and behaved in an inappropriate way with young men” as artistic director of The Old Vic theatre.
A judge in Los Angeles this summer approved an arbitrator’s decision to order Spacey to pay $30.9 million to the makers of “House of Cards” for violating his contract by sexually harassing crew members.
Yeah he’s still a creep/sex pest, just not a child abuser. As far as we know.
fucking president of the United States
My pet theory here is that the RNC likes having a populist for election purposes and someone who is culpable that can be ejected if needed. In this case, culpability has to fall outside range of a self-pardon or any presidential immunity. I think the civil cases qualify for that, but I’m not sure.
Welcome to paid politics
We don’t need your help here…
Right? Like we get it, you’re not in the files, and you want to remind everyone you were acquitted and found not civilly liable of your own sexual misconduct. But “not guilty” is not the same as “innocent,” and dodging legal responsibility is not vindication.
But “not guilty” is not the same as “innocent,” and dodging legal responsibility is not vindication.
Basically the courts don’t matter and all that matters is public opinion? And this is where you launch into a “the courts are corrupt” and “the rich never get punished” or some similar BS?
I mean are they wrong that the rich never really get punished? Trump and those 34 convictions that resulted in nothing already forgotten? Diddy getting a not guilty for the severe charges also forgotten?
I mean are they wrong that the rich never really get punished?
Ekhm… Bill Cosby and Harvey Weinstein are suddenly no longer considered rich?
So far Cosby’s was overturned and he’s not in jail, and Weinstein’s was overturned and he is awaiting a retrial (granted, he is doing so in prison).
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You did something super weird, mate. I think you wanted to reply to my comment in Political Memes?
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Legal doesn’t always mean morally right. He’s a free man, but that doesn’t mean he still needs to take up one of the rare vip spots, I’m sure there are unheard voices and talented actors who deserve it more.
What matters is what’s true, and the courts ARE getting more compromised every day. The rich get punished less, that’s the way it’s always worked.
I guess this is where you took the most extreme possible opposing view and argued against that.
I guess this is where you took the most extreme possible opposing view and argued against that.
I wasn’t wrong though. You just agreed with that exact position. 🤣
Point is there’s a spectrum of corruption and unfairness, and it’s getting worse. Guess you think the courts are perfectly fair and there’s no benefit to being rich? And I never said public opinion matters lol but fuck voting I guess, hooray for gerrymandering?
Mate, are you saying that Spacey has more pull, or access to better lawyers, than Harvey Weinstein…?
Lawyers? Maybe not. Blackmail on dangerous people? Maybe.
Remember that weirdly threatening video he put out on Christmas?
Remember when three of his accusers died and the rest dropped their charges?
The courts do matter, for legal decisions. They don’t have the final say beyond that. Sure, you can use them as a data point, but the requirement for finding someone guilty for a criminal charge is “beyond a reasonable doubt” (aka, there’s only a slim chance it isn’t true).
Socially, that isn’t required. Usually we only care if it’s more likely than not. Sometimes, depending on the severity of the accusation, a lot of people have an even lower barrier for taking it into account to effect their opinion of the person. For example, if there’s some evidence that someone is a murderer, but not “beyond a reasonable doubt,” I’m probably not going to hang out with them, especially alone.
When it comes to matters of judgement, I use my own. The courts don’t have to be corrupt for them to fail sexual assault victims, but yes there is plenty of corruption, too.
Are you suggesting economics don’t affect putcomes in the courts? Are you suggesting that there is no corruption within the judicial system? Are you saying that sexual predators always go to jail for their crimes?
I find this especially hilarious considering his cases were on around the same time as Cosby’s and Weinstein’s.
It seems people honestly believe that Kevin Spacey has more pull/better lawyers than Harvey fucking Weinstein…
Different jurors.
Different circumstances and different crimes, and especially different victims.
Also, Weinstein and Cosby were openly assaulting women for decades. They victimized hundreds of women, and Cosby isn’t even in jail anymore.
Kevin Spacey aside, you seem to be saying you don’t support the concept of “innocent until proven guilty.”
Not when your remaining accusers dropped their charges against you after a few of them died in mysterious accidents after you put out a weirdly threatening video on Christmas.
Just say “no.”
Principles that only apply when it’s easy aren’t principles.
You’re applying a moral code to me that I haven’t agreed to. You don’t know what my principles are.
Is highly suspicious.
If my only choice in this matter is to either see his movies or not, I will not. On matter of Hollywood, it’s best to assume that they’re all guilty of something if their success outweighs their talent. Why does Jared Leto keep getting work despite being terrible to work with? Could it be his private sex cult island?
I’m literally asking you what moral code you adhere to. Is “innocent until proven guilty in a court of law” something you agree with, or not?
This isn’t the court of law and my judgement does not have the same weight as a juror.
Also, what is and is not legal is not the same as what is and is not moral.
Innocent until proven guilty is not a moral code, it’s a legal one. Courts do not dictate reality or morality, they are obviously imperfect social constructs and to pretend otherwise is foolish.
Is Redditor a slur here 😝😝😝
and one that “moved past your assault on him”- aka RAPP
You seem to be saying you don’t understand the concept or “innocent until proven guilty.” That applies to legal repercussions. It doesn’t mean that a man with many accusations of sexual assault deserves the benefit of the doubt. I find the numerous accusations against him credible, and I found his denials uncredible. Especially when you consider several of his accusers have died under questionable circumstances.
I find any accusations aggainst any celebrity have zero value unless proven in court beyond all reasonable doubt.
People who live off of lawsuits do exist.Except the accusation came from another celebrity, and started a very long time before the lawsuit. Going public hurt the accusers career, and after Rapp lost his court case, 14 other victims came forward. They all described, independently, the same pattern of behavior.
Also, it wasn’t only about the allegations with him. The dude made some bad PR choices as a result of the allegations that made him look like a shitty person whether or not he was guilty.
Right, like if I were on a jury, I don’t know how I would vote given the evidence against him. But his reputation as a sleaze preceded the accusations. I wouldn’t leave my kids alone with the guy.
I find this especially hilarious considering his cases were on around the same time as Cosby’s and Weinstein’s.
It seems people honestly believe that Kevin Spacey has more pull/better lawyers than Harvey fucking Weinstein…
Plus he’s probably just not in the files because Epstein had young girls.
probably becauses hes into male minors. and not female like most of the pedophiles/ephebophiles out there.
Not googling that word
It’s just a synonym for libertarian.
That’s so funny
Let Gianmarco Soresi explain it!
Dammit, we all think alike nowadays… XD
It’s a distinction some make, where pedophiles go for the kid kids, like prepubescent, where ephebophiles want the ones who have at least started puberty but are still kids.
Hold my beer, it’s even more complicated
- Infantophiles go for 0-5 (up until developed consciousness)
- Pedophiles ~6-beginning of puberty
- Hebephiles - going through puberty
- Ephebophiles - after puberty but before adulthood
- Teleiophiles - 18-late 30s
- Mesophiles - 40s-60s
- Gerontophiles - 70+
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronophilia
Don’t ask me why I know, I just like getting to the grit of things.
Okay, but then why did you laminate the legal statute so you could carry it in your wallet?
some
Never seen such a loaded some.
Actually it’s sort of scientific consensus. Not that it matters much for casual conversation (do not fuck minors, what’s so hard about that), but the distinction is real.
obligatory nerdy note that all those -philias refer to attraction, and not action; pedophile might not abuse children but still be pedophile; child abuser is not necessarily pedophile
Its easy if you have nothing to fear because you are already convicted
Its easy if you have nothing to fear because you are already convicted
He wasn’t though, except in the court of public opinion. He’s been acquitted or found not liable in all of the cases which have gone to trial.
Oh, I didn’t follow it closely but I was convinced he was convicted of sexual abuse. I guess it just speaks about the power of public opinion even if you don’t get formally convicted. For better or worse.
he was convicted of sexual abuse
Only by the people who were nowhere near the court cases. E.g. at least half of the Internet.
And all the suspiciously dead accusers.
Unless there’s evidence connecting him to the deaths then yes just a coincidence
You mean one dead accuser?
The second one never did anything other than press runs.
The third one was a convicted stalker.
I didn’t know it either
He’s not worried because Epstein didn’t traffic little boys.
We actually don’t know that. We just know for sure that he and Maxwell trafficked little girls for a whole bunch of famous and powerful people who killed him before he could talk.
I’m sure there’s a different operation that caters for men that like little boys run by someone else we don’t know about.
We need to ask lindsey graham if there is one. Even if he didn’t use the services, I bet he knows what it is.
Of course you can be convicted more than once for the same crime. If it happened to different victims in different occasions, you can.
“My computer recently crashed and I’ve lost all my friends’ email addresses.”
I think it’s more like Epstein specialized in girls
I mean, it’s the one time he’s guaranteed to not be named in a sexual assault case, so why not?
I know and agree with everyone’s anger toward Spacey. But, and hear me out here, if it means releasing the Epstein files, then so be it. Let the man speak. Once that’s done, he can go fuck right off again.
Somehow I don’t think he’ll be the make-or-break that determines whether the files get released.
It’s a team effort.
He should know his place is on the bench then
hes probably just trying to downplay his pedophelia by saying “look at these other pedophiles that havnt be outed” he tried this many many times in the pandemic, trying to downplay his pedophelia.
I’m sure his statement will be the thing that tips the scales.
Game recognizes game.
😭😭😭 he’s just salty
he’s mad wasn’t invited to those parties and had to get his own victims
Perverts can sniff out other perverts I guess is the point of this story?
By this logic, we all are perverts since we all know who is on that list.
Don’t know about you but I am a pervert and a goober but ya know what I have standards. Consent being one of them, the other is that I will never stick my dick into a Mormon or Seventh Day Adventist.
He proudly proclaims that he didnt need any help to prey upon his victims
because all his victims died, dropped charges, or dint bother accusing him anymore.
Because they were all male. Female SA victims report at a low percentage. Males are even lower because of a perceived lack of “manliness” from being a victim.
Anything to ratchet up the pressure on that orange toddler is welcomed.
I’m wondering what kind of international incident this will cause. Who else is in there, it can’t be just Americans?
Rich people are not an America-only issue.
That’s my point.
The rest of the world is marginally better at hiding things and ‘censoring’ people
my personal objection.
releasing the Epstein’s files will include people he wanted to target but never got anywhere.
however, it would be very clear that those people are innocent, and they’re will be people in the files that were clearly diddling children.
Either the files should be released in full and the only consequence for people who casually met Epstein and never interacted with him will be some conspiracy nuts harassing them. or at worse censor the list for those names.
Also, just because there isn’t a file named “Epstein’s client list.docx” doesn’t mean there isn’t info about his clients.
“just because there isn’t a file named “Epstein’s client list.docx” doesn’t mean there isn’t info about his clients.”
Exactly, this focus on a “list” drives me crazy. If detectives investigating a murder don’t find a piece of paper with the victim’s name on it in the killer’s possession, they don’t throw their hands up and say, damn he got away with it.
Epstein’s entire business model revolved around having receipts on his clients, that’s how he stayed out of prison for decades, and it’s why they are covering it up now. This isn’t a conspiracy theory, it’s a supressed criminal investigation.
the conspiracy is about who (we know who) and why (we know why) the criminal investigation is being suppressed.
people he wanted to target but never got anywhere.
All it’ll do is make a list of probabilities.
If you were caught having sex with an intern, AND you were in Epstein’s book, it just has a higher chance. However, he’s more likely to go after someone who has been publicly caught.
The black book isn’t as interesting as the redacted information in the court papers. Sealed details about the official testimony are going to be far more damning than his little black book.
Also, there may be stuff like flight logs of personal accounts putting people in bad places.
Soup be thickening.
