ICE walked into that courthouse without a judicial warrant - no judge authorized the attempted arrest of the defendant, who I might add voluntarily appeared for his court hearing.
This is the real threat, folks. This is one of many vicious cycles they want to start. Arrest immigrants at their own hearings, when they are already complying with the will of the state. Convince others not to show up to court, make them fear any and all interactions with the state, then accuse them of being fugitives and label all of them criminals by default.
An administrative warrant doesn’t mean shit to a judge. She had every right to tell them to go talk to her boss, and in the meantime? She opened the back door.
That’s it. That’s the crime worthy of arresting a judge. A middle aged Milwaukee woman doing her goddamn job.
She opened a door and let the defendants - who had entered her courtroom legally and voluntarily - depart safely.
These are thugs, these are kidnappers, these are criminals. Obstructing ICE is NOT obstructing justice, because ICE is the one breaking laws and stripping away the rights of every American. They act without legal authority, they act without judicial approval, and they act without any regard for freedom, or rights, or basic human dignity.
It is the goddamn right and responsibility of every American to obstruct ICE at every opportunity, because there is no justice when Judges are forced to bow to them.
And thus, the Night of Long Knives begins.*
Edit: The AP, as of 15 min ago has posted an update: “Dugan was taken into custody by the FBI on Friday morning on the courthouse grounds, according to U.S. Marshals Service spokesperson Brady McCarron. She appeared briefly in federal court in Milwaukee later Friday before being released from custody. Her next court appearance is May 15.”
Thank goodness, she has been released- even if she is still going on trial for a trumped-up charge.
The problem with the MAGA/Nazi comparison is not that MAGA isn’t as evil, it’s that they’re less competent.
And why is that a problem? It sounds like a hindrance to them, which is a definite good thing.
Stupid is not the same as harmless. They routinely harm themselves gleefully. They can’t comprehend the full consequences of their own actions. That makes them dangerous.
I didn’t say they were harmless. I said their incompetence only helps their opposition.
The Nazis were more competent and still lost. How would being less competent than that help them in any way?
They are causing generational damage to the country. Just because their incompetence doesn’t help them doesn’t mean it isn’t still hurting us. That’s the opposite of helping.
Again, I never said they weren’t causing harm. You’re conflating the concepts of aid and beneficence.
Trump and his ilk being in power is not beneficial to the country, but their sheer stupidity in attempting to achieve their goals aids their opposition in stopping them.
And you’re not understanding the type of harm idiots do as opposed to smart evil people. Take immigration. A smart evil person might revoke visas and deport illegal aliens for small things not previously done. They could do this while shielding themselves legally by working within the constraints of the law. The opposition would be powerless because they stay within the law. These ass clowns are deporting legal aliens to countries they have been explicitly protected from being sent to, detaining US born citizens, threatening to deport people to countries they have no connection to, and myriad other completely illegal and unconstitutional things. In a perfect world the opposition could hold them accountable in court. But the opposition is still trying to fight “fair” and twiddling their fucking thumbs.
So this abso-fucking-lutely is not a good scenario because they are stupid. Way more harm is being done and the opposition isn’t doing a fucking thing.
it’s that they’re less competent
Not sure if that’s true actually, the Nazis were supremely incompetent as well. It just doesn’t take that much competence to smash a delicate balance like the separation of powers. You basically need control of one the three branches of government and you are good to try, Trump controls two and this news is about him smashing the third.
Loading my firearms as we speak
Mine stay loaded. 6 mags for the rifle. It seems like overdoing it to my wife but I will not go to a camp. The shit RFK has proposed puts people like me in danger, even though I’m a cis straight white male. Even if I wasn’t on the list so to speak, I would be armed and ready because the people they have targeted are my countrymen. Citizen or not.
Fucking idiot racists can’t get it through their heads that they’re not going to stop with brown and trans people.
It’s like a program and it concerns me.
Do you mean pogrom?
Nah, this is more akin to the Gleichschaltung. The Night of the Long Knives was the Nazis purging their own.
I disagree- I think Gleichschaltung has been underway since day one. This is a much more heinous overstep of the executive branch, imo
Gleichschaltung took a bit of time for the nazis.
The Night of the Long Knives is only applicable if the judge herself were a nazi who is seen as a potential threat due to being slightly differently aligned than the main faction.
Please remember: the ICE “arrests” are KIDNAPPINGS BY NON-UNIFORMED CIVILIANS. UNTIL PROVEN OTHERWISE.
If you see a gang of 4 dudes with beards and guns and jeans and polo shirts … treat it like the kidnapping it is.
I get your sentiment and feel the same way, but that’s just adding death to the equation. I honestly think that is exactly what they want. If they detain you, you still have access to lawyers and others who are working to protect these people. If you’re dead, you can’t to any of that. You can’t defend yourself. The action alone will make you a ‘terrorist’ and therefore justify their actions.
It fucking sucks.
If they detain you, you still have access to lawyers and others who are working to protect these people.
Have you been skipping the news for weeks?
No. There are plenty of lawyers and groups (ACLU) working to get these people to a judge. Hell, even the Supreme Court ruled that the deportations must stop to give them due process.
Are they following those orders? I don’t think so.
But to say that there aren’t people fighting for these people is just flat out, blatantly and categorically wrong.
How does Muhmud Khalil have a lawyer if what I said was wrong?
Have you been skipping the news for weeks?
You seem to be choosing the few people who were able to get a lawyer in time… In your hypothetical, that is not guaranteed or even something I’d bet on. And you are also pointing out that they won’t obey judges orders anyways so… I’m very confused as to what argument you think you are making.
Anyone who sees anyone being kidnapped should do their civic duty to stop it. Just because it suddenly seems to be government representatives that are doing the kidnapping now does not change that. You don’t know which it is.
I do wonder how many people have already been disappeared with no cameras around and they are just “missing” according to their families who can’t/don’t want to go to the cops in case it was the cops all along.
You wont get a chance to defend yourself when they bag you up and send you to El Salvador. You can die in the streets protecting yourself or you can die in a gulag 5000 miles away. Your choice
access to lawyers
I don’t believe it would work out that way if you are detained and don’t already have numbers lined up. They are already skipping due process anyway…
I don’t want violence. I just want to remind people that these are illegal government kidnappings.
It. Fucking. Sucks. Indeed.
El Salvador is a death sentence, with a load of abuse on top. Better to break some ICE and be ended, than to live out your final days in a concentration camp.
You have access to lawyers???
Not a single person that I’m aware of that got shipped off to El Salvador had a fair trial. This isn’t the US you know anymore. You don’t get a trial if they don’t want you to have one.
If an ICE agent dies they can’t harm anyone else
An absurd suggestion. ICE agents looking to disappear you are merely volunteers for America’s new Necronaut Program. Necronauts are needed for the upcoming assassination of God, and invasion of heaven.
It would be great to see people stand up to these kidnappings. Maybe even some good guys with guns
Senators, governors, and mayors of “sanctuaries” are going to be close behind.
Once the non-loyal judges are imprisoned, everyone else who isn’t white and Republican will also be on the chopping block.
I wonder if militias need to grow because I believe Trump will use everything in his power to destroy the liberals and any opposing force. Military could soon fraction and people will take sides, as one party wants to protect the constitution while the others oppose. Remeber our country was born based on the constitution…We are on the right side of history cause it reflects core American values. You decide to errode that then your not a true American. They will always be traitors considering they are freely defying the constitution now…fuck them and I cant wait til their day comes.
I don’t see any mention of a warrant.
Not that I’m surprised by that, but to say this is an “escalation” is an understatement.
This is a declaration of absolute power.
Edit: she was released on bond. Meaning a magistrate validated a warrant. Who signed the warrant?
Editl 2: Magistrate Dries did, yesterday. FBI Agent Lindsay Schloemer filed the complaint. Interestinginly Dugar wasn’t the only judge who told the ICE officers to fuck off (in legal terms). She just told them then defendant and his attorney they could leave because ICE didn’t have the correct warrant.
This is how civil war starts. If the judiciary starts issuing arrest warrants over this unlawful kidnapping, they may need to deputize officers that are not under the control of the trump admin which could pit our armed forces against each other. Best case scenario is the judiciary finds the arrest unlawful and the FBI backs down because they’re being threatened with contempt.
I fear the majority of trigger-pullers are pro-trump and pro-deportation, no matter where they live. I fear that “revolution” will entail the United States’ progressives getting absolutely brutalized until the regime seizes total control.
Valhalla before El Salvador.
you might be surprised. there are those who are very open about owning weapons, but there are just as many who do not flaunt what they’re equipped with. there are still lots of reasons left-leaning people might own guns, like hunting, self defense, pure hobby shooting, etc. i think progressive people have been stereotyped as anti-gun because they tend to be anti-kids-getting-shot-in-school, but they’re not quite the same thing.
it’s possible progressive might be out-gunned, but it’s by no means a guarantee.
Anarchist gun owner here. Yep. Granted mine are mostly WW1 era pieces of history and others are nerdy but yeah… there are lefties out there who are properly legally licensed.
I’ve always wondered if there is a measurable difference in shooting proficiency between the left and right politically. The majority of lefties I know who shoot are pretty well trained, took classes, take safety very seriously etc… A not small chunk of the right I see at the range literally scare me with how they shoot. And those are the righties that actually practice.
The armed lefties might be outnumbered, but they might be better trained.
I’m no expert, but I feel like anybody who hasn’t faced actual, real combat involving guns is just going to shit themselves and fire wildly the first time they do face it - that’s if they don’t just take off running or faint instead. And most people on both sides of the political fence haven’t ever faced real combat.
I have read a lot of war memoirs, and the one common thread running through all of them is that a soldier/pilot/gunner/whatever is utterly useless their first few times in battle, regardless of their training.
I’m talking about the police, the federal agents, national guardsmen and regular army. The people who are ostensibly trained to shoot people. I don’t know if there is enough sympathy in the establishment to mount a meaningful resistance. I don’t like our odds if they mount a united front against a disparate population of scared but armed civilians, banal arguments about drone strikes and such aside.
good point and not something to be trivialized. it would be devastating and the toll to life and limb would be high. but i take solice in the fact that even then, they’d be greatly outnumbered by non-establishment citizenry. im just saying it wouldnt be a landslide victory and theyd face a (probably) reasonably well equipped guerilla resistance force that wouldnt just fade away.
side note, i also find the drone arguments to be kind of irritating. technically yes they could carpet bomb the US and drone strike every apartment building where some resistance leader is living, but then they’d just be the king of a wasteland.
Learn how to use the tools at your disposal y’all.
They may be able to defend the farmland but they won’t be able to hang when it gets to urban combat.
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You’re not wrong, but this has nothing to do with the armed forces. I went down a rabbit hole at one point regarding what a “duly sworn” officer is. My conclusion was that if a judge needed to have someone arrested, they can reach out to any public police officer who has sworn an oath to the Constitution. Each state has its own groups of duly sworn law enforcement officers, and if a Federal judge doesn’t trust the US Marshals (who are part of the DoJ) they can likely reach our to State or local police to enforce their orders.
That’s the problem. If a deputized officer that is part of a local police force or national guard ends up having to arrest members of the DoJ, it could result in a standoff and give an excuse to our Cheeto in chief to declare martial law. I really fucking hope that doesn’t happen or that our generals force him to back down but I very much see that as a possibility.
I mean, you do understand that the Judiciary being the ones to push back is the only legal & constitutional route we can get out of this, right?
I hate to say it, but while Trump himself is pretty weak and just in it to save himself & for money, many of the people around him want nothing but power. And they are using Trump for that since he somehow continues to enthrall the populous.
Besides hoping the administration willingly decides to stop & undo the things it’s doing, I personally think the judiciary pushing back is the only thing you should hope for. In my eyes, it is the only path left with any chance of nonviolence, besides again, a willing change.
Do you have an alternative for me?
At what point did I say we need to capitulate to these motherfuckers? The only way we’re going to end this is fighting back. I mean EVERYONE including the judiciary.
You’re not wrong there.
Qualified immunity applies to the executive branch, not to the judiciary. Cops aren’t getting arrested for this.
America, this is your five alarm fire. If everything else wasn’t enough to get you moving, dear God please let this be it.
Get out and protest. Get talking to the other people at those protests. Build your network. You’re going to need it for what is coming.
So they have arrested two judges. ICE and FBI are traitors.
Hey guys, it’s a really good sign when judges are getting arrested, right? Very normal and functioning country? 😬
First they came for the immigrants, But I said nothing, Because I’m not a filthy immigrant.
Then they came for the protestors, But I said nothing, Because protesters are libtards.
Then they came for the judges and politicians, But I said nothing, Because they are all corrupt and evil.
Then they came for the minorities, But I said nothing, Because they deserve it!
And then they came for me, Because I was a gullible tool.
- A future MAGAT survivor.
They would never admit it. They would say “and then they came for me, and I have no idea why”
They wouldn’t say “no idea why.” They would blame the immigrants.
I said this before…when the fuck do we rise up? Or are we going to sit in the pot and boil?
I blame the “fuck you got mine” mentality that’s become ingrained in Americans. A revolution requires selflessness but Americans aren’t equipped for that.
Agreed, things haven’t been good for years. But since Covid this country went from “we the people” to “me, me, me.”
I feel it started before and it was like that before covid. I’m gen Z and I remember around 2017 the rise of popularity of songs about “me me me being the #1 gang banger the gangster, them bitches love me, them ni**as hating” among the people in my age group, and it sorta just grew from there.
What I noticed during covid and once TikTok style videos became mainstream was sort of a “normalization” or acceptance of the phenomena mentioned above.
Remember Wall-E were everyone in the future is a fat individualistic human being, connected to a bed on wheels with a screen and everyone seems to be doing their own thing with no resemblance of families, couples, friends, goals?
Agreed I’m 42 and personally growing up in the late 80s and 90s I feel like Regan and Rush Limbaugh were both a big influence on the situation the country is in now. And honestly, you can go back to Nixon and JFK getting assassinated as the main focal point from when America stopped being America and became more conservative and for the money and for the wealthy.
I think you guys are going to sit and boil.
If you ask me, things should have started burning a few months ago.
Unfortunately, this is a exactly what Trump wants. He wants riots and chaos so he can declare martial law and gain even more power and possibly delay or even cancel elections. All of this is calculated.
He wants riots and chaos so he can declare martial law and gain even more power and possibly delay or even cancel elections.
And the alternative is sit and let ICE blackbag innocents?
The US has the 2nd amendment, which they love so much. ICE should be getting gunned down in the street by this point.
I dunno about that. This was more or less Chuck Schumers approach to passing his agenda. If you fight him it’s going to get worse, so don’t fight? I feel foreign nationals shouldn’t be leading the charge because of their vulnerability, but for full-fledged us born citizens following the law with their rebuke, surely many would martyr themselves for a historical rally against fascism knowing the ACLU would defend them.
Oh we should absolutely be fighting but not with guns. We should be fighting with the law and protests. We should be confronting these fuckers at every junction. But the moment we pick up a gun or a rock or some other violent means we just give them the excuse to escalate the fascism.
If I’m not mistaken, a full national declaration of martial law would require not only approval of individual state legislatures, but also the loyalty of the military and the National Guard in every state.
By bypassing laws and regulations, totally disregarding checks and balances now that mechanism is compromised, the bastard need not to declare martial law to spread terror.
Kinda hard when only 55% of people disapprove of your king.
Allegedly, it only takes 3.5% of a population to enact change through nonviolent protests. https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20190513-it-only-takes-35-of-people-to-change-the-world
Maybe give that an honest try first? Hard to unring a bell.
Where the hell have you been for the last few years? Americans won’t do shit. The tech oligarchy and the facists have the population exactly where they want them to be, struggling and unable to take actions.
Struggling economically and doom scrolling from the moment they wake up, until they go to bed.
Trump’s Night of the long knives coming next
Oh thank God! I through the news was quiet today! So now we’re arresting judges. Checks and balances go out the window. Now its just a clear dictatorship.
We’ve had a few evil weeks, I thought we were going to get a dumb week for once.
I really wish independent journalism existed so you could find out basic facts like “how often does the FBI normally arrest judges?” “Has a judge ever been arrested for obstruction of justice?” “Do they never get arrested inside a courthouse?”
I’m sure Judges sometimes commit crimes, just like everyone else. Are they normally given special deference and not arrested? Do they only get arrested for serious charges, and normally they get special dispensation because of their judge status?
Arresting judges does sound alarming, but without context it’s impossible to know just how norm-breaking it is.
For example, if a judge is pulled over and found to be driving drunk, I most definitely would want that judge arrested and charged. Not arresting and charging a judge in that situation sounds like institutional corruption. I wouldn’t be surprised if it happens, but I don’t know because these journalists aren’t doing their damn jobs.
Don’t get me wrong, in this case I’m pretty convinced that the Trump people are overstepping their bounds. It seems like a pattern of attacking the judiciary. And, this isn’t the judges being arrested for driving drunk or accepting bribes. This is judges being arrested for things related to immigration. Immigration, in particular, is something that the Trump administration is doing completely unlawfully.
But, how can we have any kind of informed dialogue when the standard of reporting is: “One side said ‘It’s outrageous they arrested a judge’, the other side said ‘the administration won’t accept judges breaking the law.’ The judge may have been a democrat.”
Probably because the article is from a business news outlet. I have heard a lawyer talk about the case, saying it was very unusually for her to be arrested for such charges (Leeja Miller I believe; not really a journalist, just a youtuber).
That’s the problem. Someone shouldn’t have to find a random YouTuber to get basic answers.
Hannah Dugan is a hero and a patriot
